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    Ukraine halts all military cooperation with Russia

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    Re: Ukraine halts all military cooperation with Russia

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:28 pm

    I suspect the delays and slow progress in transfering production to Klimov was due to lack of need. Now it is being forced upon them I am sure they will be able to boost production plus boost investment in developing their own new engines to replace those now lost to the Ukraine.

    Russia wont suffer nearly as much as the Ukraine will... there is no western market for their engines...


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    Re: Ukraine halts all military cooperation with Russia

    Post  mack8 on Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:26 pm

    Some interesting details in this article (nevermind the russophobe propaganda). 15 billion (!) in orders to Ukraine's MIC made or planned by Russia, equal to this so called IMF "loan", hence the ukrainian MIC is very reluctant to obey the cooperation ban imposed by the US puppets. Probably the best thing for Russia is to get as much stuff out as possible (especially helicopter engines and missile parts), as quickly as possible, before the ban is actually forcefully enacted. Would also be nice to get the damn factories and best ukrainian workers out too, and relocate them in Russia!

    Either way, unfortunately for Ukraine and for the thousands of workers, thanks to the US puppets their MIC is finished... unless they actually do take a lesson from US (run by the MIC and corporations), take things into their own hands  and chase out the junta and neo-nazi scum!  

    http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-06-03/why-some-ukrainian-defense-contractors-are-still-doing-business-with-russia
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    Re: Ukraine halts all military cooperation with Russia

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    Re: Ukraine halts all military cooperation with Russia

    Post  macedonian on Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:07 pm

    And just like that, divide and conquer works again.

    This is actually a really good illustration of how both Ukraine and Russia are losers in this mess, and the only one to gain anything from it...well, I'll let you be the judge of just who is that... But if logic is a remotely important part of your thinking process, you'll be able to deduct that it's usually the party that gains the most from a situation that is actually instigating it...as per the great thinkers (philosophers and historians). Of course the other parties being ignorant helps the puppet-master in a great way.
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    Re: Ukraine halts all military cooperation with Russia

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:10 pm


    Then Russia should make western Ukraine freeze and start supplying Eastern Ukrainians. Diplomacy wont do Russia amy good, as westerners and their institutions will do what they can to deny Russia.
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    Re: Ukraine halts all military cooperation with Russia

    Post  macedonian on Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:27 pm

    sepheronx wrote:

    Then Russia should make western Ukraine freeze and start supplying Eastern Ukrainians. Diplomacy wont do Russia amy good, as westerners and their institutions will do what they can to deny Russia.

    That's not technically possible unless Russian engineers are physically present.
    Unless you're suggesting... Laughing Laughing Laughing in which case, I don't mind at all

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    Re: Ukraine halts all military cooperation with Russia

    Post  Viktor on Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:47 pm

    2014 - 60 helicopter engines
    2015 - 120 helicopter engines
    later - 500+


    APC under import substitution to ramp up production of aircraft engines

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    Re: Ukraine halts all military cooperation with Russia

    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:57 am

    These sanctions will in the end, result in the significant increase of Russian manufacturing capability...there's already an uptick this year
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    Re: Ukraine halts all military cooperation with Russia

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:51 am

    Cyberspec wrote:These sanctions will in the end, result in the significant increase of Russian manufacturing capability...there's already an uptick this year

    While the west screams about EBIL Russia regarding all of this. Ukrainians must be feeling like they are idiots now. But they shouldn't be feeling it now, since I have known this for over a decade.

    I remember when my grandmother would tell me what her mother would say about Ukraine and Ukrainians (she came to Canada in 1928 to be exact from Lviv): Don't trust a Ukrainian as they are good at backstabbing each other for a loaf of bread". Seems what she said is true to today, but replace bread with a couple million printed Zimbabwean dollars.
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    Post  Viktor on Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:37 pm

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    Re: Ukraine halts all military cooperation with Russia

    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 21, 2014 8:55 am

    Very short sighted of the Ukrainian politicians to halt this trade.

    For a short period their might be some delays in certain areas of Russian military production, but at the end of the day the weapons will be produced eventually and with domestic production more of Russias money will remain within Russia in the pockets of Russians.

    Ukrainian workers on the other hand will have to find buyers for their products... and most of the EU have their own producers to think of... you wont see the next UK Frigate with Ukrainian gas turbine engines...

    A few eastern european countries might buy Ukrainian engines for new ships but how many are building new ships at the moment? Especially when their fruit and veg growers are going to have to go for a year without exports to Russia?

    If I owned Motor Sich I would move the entire company to Russia along with any workers that wanted to go... there would be no future in the Ukraine.


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    Re: Ukraine halts all military cooperation with Russia

    Post  Viktor on Thu Aug 21, 2014 11:07 am

    Hopefully they do have an smart back up plan to offset this situation.
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    Re: Ukraine halts all military cooperation with Russia

    Post  TheArmenian on Thu Aug 21, 2014 2:57 pm

    There was an article in a US newspaper (can't find the source) where it clearly stated that nothing has stopped the shipping of helicopter engines and ship gears to Russia. The Motor Sich factory boss in Zaporozhie mentioned that they know about the ban to ship goods to Russia but that "no one has instructed them to stop shipments". So it is business as usual.
    Also, in an interview with Arms-tass, the Kazan helicopter plant said that Ukrainian engines are arriving on time and as per plan and that there are no disruptions.

    Politics is something, business is something else.

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    Re: Ukraine halts all military cooperation with Russia

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    Post  TheArmenian on Sun Sep 07, 2014 10:52 am

    A couple of days ago, I read on Itar-Tass that helicopter engines are exempt from Ukraine sanctions on military related equipment export to Russia.

    These guys are pure comedy....
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    Re: Ukraine halts all military cooperation with Russia

    Post  Viktor on Sun Sep 07, 2014 7:16 pm

    TheArmenian wrote: A couple of days ago, I read on Itar-Tass that helicopter engines are exempt from Ukraine sanctions on military related equipment export to Russia.

    These guys are pure comedy....


    LOL I did not saw that LOL ...

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    Re: Ukraine halts all military cooperation with Russia

    Post  sheytanelkebir on Tue Sep 09, 2014 5:19 pm

    Motor Sich must have twisted some arms to get that exemption (or just plain threatened to leave ukraine with all their staff?)
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    Re: Ukraine halts all military cooperation with Russia

    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:30 pm

    sheytanelkebir wrote:Motor Sich must have twisted some arms to get that exemption (or just plain threatened to leave ukraine with all their staff?)
    Definitly the later. Rolling Eyes
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    Post  Viktor on Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:42 pm

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    Re: Ukraine halts all military cooperation with Russia

    Post  Viktor on Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:20 pm

    Ukraine has being substituted ....

    Borisov: Up to 200 samples depended on arms supplies to Ukraine


    MOSCOW, January 13 - RIA Novosti. From the supply of components to the Ukrainian enterprises in varying degrees dependent on 186 samples of arms and military equipment, the armament of the Russian army, told reporters Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov.
    "The refusal of the Ukrainian manufacturers (of supply) does not affect the execution of the State Program of arms and the state defense order in 2014, which is confirmed by our performance," - he said. The deputy minister said that in the summer of 2014, Russian President approved the graphics import substitution Ukrainian products.
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