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    Re: New Russian Cosmodrome - Vostochniy

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Apr 28, 2016 6:10 am

    What Russia needs is this. lead in the world again. as they used to do .



    The gagarin FIRST travel to space ,was the most embarrassing moment in American
    history. They were trying (just like today they are doing) to discredit Russians in soviet times and bang. Suddenly Russians become world heroes ,rock stars ,and even the queen of england wanted to meet gagaring. lol1

    The cosmodrone is a nice facility ,but if they plan to use it only for taxi to the ISS then it will be a huge waste of money and potential. and if they allow Americans to take the lead again ,they should better saved that money instead on the cosmodron and continue using the ones they had already before.


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    Post  Visc on Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:15 am

    All Satellites Orbited From Russia's Vostochny Center Establish Connection

    On Thursday, Russia put three satellites into orbit after the first launch from the Vostochny Cosmodrome.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) – Communication have been established with all three satellites that were put into orbit after the first launch from Russia’s Vostochny Cosmodrome earlier on Thursday, the Roscosmos press service said.

    “The space vehicles [satellites] separated on schedule at 7:07 a.m. Moscow time [04:07 GMT] and their scheduled separation was confirmed during a communications séance at 8:05 [05:05 GMT],” the press service said.

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    Congratulations Russia!

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    Post  medo on Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:50 am



    First successful launch of Soyuz-2.1A from new Cosmodrome Vostochny. Congratulations. cheers russia

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:27 am

    Why does the Russian space programme have to embarrass the US... or anyone?

    Can't it just be about space exploration?

    I would love to see a joint international manned mission to Mars, but I suspect the US would make too many demands...


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    Post  Visc on Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:39 pm

    GarryB wrote:Why does the Russian space programme have to embarrass the US... or anyone?

    Can't it just be about space exploration?

    I would love to see a joint international manned mission to Mars, but I suspect the US would make too many demands...

    Why can't we all just get along? lol1

    On a more serious note - forget about it. It's about deception, domination, military, conquest... At least when it comes to West. Space is not an exception. There are no joint projects or anything else for that matter based solely on honest wish to simply explore or research. It sometimes does seem so when you read media articles, but behind the curtain it is all dark, nothing sunny.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:45 pm

    GarryB wrote:Why does the Russian space programme have to embarrass the US... or anyone?

    Can't it just be about space exploration?

    I would love to see a joint international manned mission to Mars, but I suspect the US would make too many demands...

    THIS^^

    Can we please leave usual BS out of this tread?

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    Post  Vann7 on Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:45 pm

    Visc wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Why does the Russian space programme have to embarrass the US... or anyone?

    Can't it just be about space exploration?

    I would love to see a joint international manned mission to Mars, but I suspect the US would make too many demands...

    Why can't we all just get along? lol1

    On a more serious note - forget about it. It's about deception, domination, military, conquest... At least when it comes to West. Space is not an exception. There are no joint projects or anything else for that matter based solely on honest wish to simply explore or research. It sometimes does seem so when you read media articles, but behind the curtain it is all dark, nothing sunny.


    Indeed. reality is different than what Gary suggest. It was Gary himself who believed Russia "could not be attacked" because is a nuclear power. and now you have dead pilots by nothing less than NATO attack. Gary needs to wake up to the real world we live , where is very dangerous one. Reality is Americans are in an undeclared war against Russia and this is since 2011. Is a soft proxy war and it can turn into a direct one at any time ,and openly threatening Russia to shut down their planes every month ,just days ago kerry was saying Russia their planes will be shut down if doesn't obey American's way of dealing with their provocations,this is very serious , Pentagon openly say are aiming for a full space spectrum domination and even say with the capability to deny Russia the use of Space. If that is not a major threat to Russia and of the militarization of space ,to block them from using it , then no idea what is.  

    Cosmodrone is nice but it will be a waste of money if Russia stay as a taxi driver to the ISS or for launching satellites for a decade and nothing else. It needs to be far more aggressive in space ,if Russia want to have a chance to not be isolated from space and from Europe ,later it will be too late.

    All Americans needs to do to deny Russia space is sabotage in secret every Russian launch of a rocket counter it with advanced weapons in ways Russia cannot proof they did it. Something like a hypersonic rail gun in a warship ,or electronic attacks or flooding space with mines that could do the trick.

    Russia leading in space ,not only militarily but civilians use too ,is the only way i see they could finally put and end to Americans hostile policies towards Russia and their attempts to isolate Russia from Europe. that are the only nations that can help Russia to put an end the hostile policies of Americans on them.

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    Post  Visc on Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:24 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    Visc wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Why does the Russian space programme have to embarrass the US... or anyone?

    Can't it just be about space exploration?

    I would love to see a joint international manned mission to Mars, but I suspect the US would make too many demands...

    Why can't we all just get along? lol1

    On a more serious note - forget about it. It's about deception, domination, military, conquest... At least when it comes to West. Space is not an exception. There are no joint projects or anything else for that matter based solely on honest wish to simply explore or research. It sometimes does seem so when you read media articles, but behind the curtain it is all dark, nothing sunny.

    Cosmodrone is nice but it will be a waste of money if Russia stay as a taxi driver to the ISS or for launching satellites for a decade and nothing else. It needs to be far more aggressive in space ,if Russia want to have a chance to not be isolated from space and from Europe ,later it will be too late.

    All Americans needs to do to deny Russia space is sabotage in secret every Russian launch of a rocket counter it with advanced weapons in ways Russia cannot proof they did it. Something like a hypersonic rail gun in a warship ,or electronic attacks or flooding space with mines that could do the trick.

    Russia leading in space ,not only militarily but civilians use too ,is the only way i see they could finally put and end to Americans hostile policies towards Russia and their attempts to isolate Russia from Europe. that are the only nations that can help Russia to put an end the hostile policies of Americans on them.

    Why do you think there was so much trouble with construction companies working on this project?

    Putin is very aware of all of this and this cosmodrone is all about that - Russia's independence when it comes to space (no need to rely on Kazakhstan anymore).

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    Post  Rmf on Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:06 am

    on contrary it will still be very dependent . no more launches are planned from vostochny this year .and manned launch untill 2021..

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    Post  Project Canada on Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:02 am

    Question, the footage starting at 6:40, is that a real recording from space or just CGI??


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    Post  GarryB on Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:01 pm

    CGI.

    One of the advantages of a new space port is that you can set up cameras all over the place for the best views... Smile

    With the base turned up on my headphones that launch sounded awesome...


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    Post  Rmf on Fri Apr 29, 2016 2:27 pm

    so you cant place cameras on old launch pads???? and thats why they build new one?? Rolling Eyes
    anyway it seems blast doors on the left column were torn wide open at 3:33 min, on RT video they cover it with their logo ,but here its visible.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:53 pm

    Why can't we all just get along?

    Cooperation is cheaper than rivalry, but cooperation is only possible with the US if the US is getting a very good deal.

    There are no joint projects or anything else for that matter based solely on honest wish to simply explore or research. It sometimes does seem so when you read media articles, but behind the curtain it is all dark, nothing sunny.

    I said I would love to see cooperation... I didn't say it was possible or even likely.

    All I actually said was that the purpose of russias space programme should not be to embarrass the US or west... or anyone else.

    Indeed. reality is different than what Gary suggest.

    What are you dribbling about? All I said was that the purpose of the Russian space programme was about space exploration and progress for Russia and should not involve so called competition or rivalry with the west or US.

    Cooperation would be nice but we all agree it is not realistic.

    It was Gary himself who believed Russia "could not be attacked" because is a nuclear power. and now you have dead pilots by nothing less than NATO attack.

    RUSSIA was not attacked. And I said Russia was safe from NATO attack, I didn't say no one would ever try to harm them.

    Is a soft proxy war and it can turn into a direct one at any time ,and openly threatening Russia to shut down their planes every month ,just days ago kerry was saying Russia their planes will be shut down if doesn't obey American's way of dealing with their provocations,this is very serious , Pentagon openly say are aiming for a full space spectrum domination and even say with the capability to deny Russia the use of Space. If that is not a major threat to Russia and of the militarization of space ,to block them from using it , then no idea what is.

    And what will prevent any open wars against Russia by NATO or the US is Russias possession of nuclear weapons and their ability to deliver them within minutes to the places like Brussels, Berlin, London, and Washington.

    Cosmodrone is nice but it will be a waste of money if Russia stay as a taxi driver to the ISS or for launching satellites for a decade and nothing else. It needs to be far more aggressive in space ,if Russia want to have a chance to not be isolated from space and from Europe ,later it will be too late.

    How the fuck could the US or NATO isolate Russia from space?

    You do talk bollocks sometimes Vann.

    All Americans needs to do to deny Russia space is sabotage in secret every Russian launch of a rocket counter it with advanced weapons in ways Russia cannot proof they did it. Something like a hypersonic rail gun in a warship ,or electronic attacks or flooding space with mines that could do the trick.

    Or they could hire pixies to do it from magic land with their magic wands.

    With the US riddled with spies how long would such a sabotage mission remain secret?

    there are plenty of whistleblowers around the place who will think such activity is not "fair" and will blab about it to the western media...

    The problem with pretending to be the good guys and having high standards is that those who believe you actually expect you to maintain those standards... and when they find out you don't they get angry... and even.

    Russia leading in space ,not only militarily but civilians use too ,is the only way i see they could finally put and end to Americans hostile policies towards Russia and their attempts to isolate Russia from Europe. that are the only nations that can help Russia to put an end the hostile policies of Americans on them.

    Russia leading in space is the very thing that would make america want to sabotage them.

    The best way for Russia to dominate space is to stop selling their rocket motors to the US and the west.

    But that means loss of income from Russian rocket makers... how could that possibly be a good thing?

    so you cant place cameras on old launch pads???? and thats why they build new one??

    Obviously... they could not place cameras in specific places in Baikanoir so of course that is when they decided they needed to build a whole new space port in Russias far east... Rolling Eyes

    anyway it seems blast doors on the left column were torn wide open at 3:33 min, on RT video they cover it with their logo ,but here its visible.

    What are you jabbering on about?

    Blast doors?

    Why would it have blast doors?

    the whole purpose of the pit area around the launch pad is to allow the rocket blast to be deflected away from the rocket so there is no damage... fitting blast doors would reflect the blast back towards the rocket which would be very dumb and very counter productive.

    It is not like you have kids on a field trip watching the launch protected by blast doors... Rolling Eyes


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    Post  George1 on Sun May 01, 2016 1:31 pm

    Vostochny Spaceport

    Russia’s new Vostochny Spaceport in the far eastern Amursk Region will facilitate key research programs and serve important economic and geopolitical goals. The Vostochny construction project has been mired in major financial problems and corruption scandals. Nevertheless, the first phase of the project has been delivered almost on schedule; it has taken about the same time to complete as similar projects in other countries.

    The Soviet Union’s main spaceport – or cosmodrome, to use Russian terminology – was Baikonur. It was built in the mid-1950s in a desert in Kazakhstan, east of the Aral Sea. The world’s first satellite, and the world’s first manned space mission by Yuri Gagarin, were both launched from Baikonur in 1957 and 1961 respectively.

    Apart from Baikonur, the Soviet Union had two other spaceports. Plesetsk in Russia’s northern Arkhangelsk Region was mainly used to launch remote sensing and high-latitude communication satellites. More than 80 per cent of Soviet military satellites were launched from Plesetsk. The third Soviet spaceport was Kapustin Yar, situated in the steppe near the Volga river. It was used very rarely due to its inconvenient geographic location; the flight paths of the rockets launched from there crossed some densely populated and industrially developed parts of Russia.

    Baikonur’s problems

    After the break-up of the Soviet Union in 1991, Baikonur became the property of newly-independent Kazakhstan, even though Russia remained its sole operator. In 1992 and 1993 the number of space launches from the spaceport fell sharply because the Russian economy plunged deep into crisis. Amid the post-Soviet chaos and uncertainty, many of the Baikonur staff quit and moved elsewhere. In 1990 there were 140,000 staff and their family members living in Baikonur; by 1994 that number had fallen to 72,000.

    Nevertheless, Baikonur remained indispensible to the Russian space program. All manned space missions and space station modules are still launched from Baikonur alone. Thanks to its convenient location in the lower latitudes, the spaceport is also the preferred option for putting satellites into a geostationary orbit.

    Russia pursued a two-pronged approach to the Baikonur problem: it launched negotiations with Kazakhstan about the future use of the spaceport, while at the same time looking for possible alternatives. In 1994 Russia and Kazakhstan signed an agreement under which Moscow agreed to pay 115m dollars every year for the Baikonur lease. It also spent about 50m dollars every year on spaceport maintenance, plus another 35m on the town of Baikonur itself.

    To recoup some of that spending, Russia began to commercialize its space program. It became normal practice in the 1990s to take foreign astronauts to the Mir space station for cash (20m dollars for a seven-day mission per person), and to launch foreign satellites via Russian carriers (65-80 million for a launch aboard the Proton space carrier).

    Kazakhstan also wanted a share of those new revenues, but the lease agreement gave it no leverage. The Kazakh government tried to change that in 1999, when a Proton launch failed on July 6 and a rocket fragment fell in a populated area in Kazakhstan’s Karaganda Region. The fragment did not actually cause any damage, but some of the spilt rocket fuel caused a fire in an area of the steppe. Kazakhstan used the incident as a pretext to ban all space launches from Baikonur, which ran counter to the terms of the lease agreement. On July 15 the space launches were allowed to resume after Russia paid compensation. On October 27, however, another Proton launch failed, and pieces of the wreckage fell in a sparsely populated part of Karaganda Region, causing no casualties. Nevertheless, the Kazakh government demanded a review of the Baikonur lease. It insisted that instead of merely notifying the Kazakh authorities, Russia should apply for permission before each launch. Some members of the Kazakh parliament also wanted a ban on launches of Russian military satellites from Baikonur.

    After lengthy negotiations and sweeteners in other areas of bilateral cooperation, Moscow managed to keep the existing terms of the agreement. At a meeting between presidents Putin and Nazarbayev in January 2004, the term of the Russian lease of Baikonur was prolonged until 2050; the rent remained unchanged at 115m dollars. Nevertheless, Russia redoubled its efforts to shield its space program from Baikonur-related uncertainties.

    Alternative options

    The search for an alternative to Baikonur continued throughout the 1990s. The Russian government initially decided to build a new launch pad at Plesetsk that would be able to accommodate the new Angara carrier, which is larger and more powerful than the Proton. Launched from Plesetsk, Angara carriers would be able to put satellites into a geostationary orbit. But the Russian economy was still struggling, so work on both the Angara program and the new launch pad at Plesetsk was making glacial progress. The first Angara launch from Plesetsk took place only in 2014.

    The government reviewed several extraterritorial options, including Air Launch (launching space rockets from a plane), Sea Launch (using a modified oil rig as a floating launch pad), and new launch pads on Australia’s Christmas Island in the Indian Ocean, or at the Guiana Space Center in French Guiana. The Sea Launch and the Guiana projects were brought to fruition, but they were commercial ventures, unable to fully meet the requirements of the Russian civilian space program, let alone the military one.

    Svobodny – a failed launch

    Another alternative under consideration was to build a new spaceport in Russia itself. In late 1992 the MoD’s Space Forces service was asked to lead such a project. Since one of the requirements for the future spaceport was to accommodate launches into a geostationary orbit, the site necessarily had to be located somewhere in the southern latitudes. Another requirement was for the rocket flight path not to cross any densely populated or industrialized regions. After considering several options, the government shortlisted sites in the south of the Russian Far East and on Sakhalin Island. But these sites had a major drawback in that they were all situated very far from the Russian space industry’s manufacturing facilities.

    Several specific sites were considered and then rejected; in the end, the government settled on a town called Svobodny-18 (known as Uglegorsk in 1969-1994) in Amursk Region. In 1964 the town hosted a division of the Russian Strategic Missile Troops. In 1993 the division was disbanded as part of Russia’s nuclear cuts. Its remaining facilities (barracks, power lines, helipad, control and measuring instruments, and five SS-11 ballistic missile silos) were taken over by the Space Forces for use as a future spaceport. The silos were to be used for launches of the Rokot light space carriers. There were also plans to build a new launch pad at Svobodny for Angara heavy carriers.

    To bring the new Svobodny spaceport to operational status as soon as possible, the Russian MoD built a new launch pad for Start carriers, which were essentially a modernized Topol (SS-25) solid-fuel ICBM. The Topol system is light and mobile; it can be launched from pretty much anywhere, so there weren’t any difficulties with setting up a launch pad for it at Svobodny.

    But it turned out that the government had chosen a bad time and an unsuitable project lead for the Svobodny project. The mid-1990s were the lowest point for the Russian economy and, amid severe spending cuts, the MoD prioritized the maintenance of the Russian nuclear shield over space projects. There was no money in the ministry’s budget for building a new military spaceport. During the entire time Svobodny was in operation, only five Start rockets carrying light satellites were launched from there. Four of those launches were commissioned by foreign customers. Having realized that entrusting a new spaceport project to the MoD was a bad idea, in February 2007 President Putin ordered the closure of Svobodny.

    Vostochny: Second attempt


    On September 6, 2007 there was another failed launch of the Proton carrier from Baikonur. The wreckage fell some 40km from the city of Jezkazgan. There were no casualties, but Kazakh President Nursultan Nazarbayev happened to be visiting Jezkazgan at the time. Even though the environmental consequences of the incident were quickly cleaned up, Kazakhstan demanded 60.7m dollars in compensation. Russia later managed to reduce that figure to 2.5m, but the incident turned out to be the last straw. Exactly two months later, on November 6, President Putin signed a decree ordering the construction of the new Vostochny spaceport in Amursk Region.

    The government appointed the civilian space agency Roskosmos to oversee the project. The financial situation had already become more favorable; oil prices were climbing, reaching a record 145 dollars a barrel in July 2008. So the Russian treasury could well afford such a large and expensive infrastructure project.

    Uglegorsk was once again chosen as the site of the new spaceport, but this time round the space agency decided to build new launch pads instead of trying to reuse the existing silos. The pad for the Soyuz-2 medium carrier was to be ready by 2015, and for the Angara-A5 heavy carrier by 2018. Under a presidential decree, the first space launch from Vostochny was to take place before the end of 2015, with the spaceport achieving full operational readiness in 2020.

    The chosen site has several disadvantages. It is situated almost 6 degrees latitude north of Baikonur, which will adversely affect the payload for a geostationary orbit. The site also required the construction of a landing strip and a railway branch line to transport rockets and satellites. The location in the far east of the country will increase transport overheads, since most of the Russian space industry facilities are in Moscow, Samara, and Zheleznogorsk (Krasnoyarsk Territory). The site also lacked accommodation and infrastructure for spaceport personnel.

    But the choice was partially dictated by economic development of the Far East, so the government decided that it could live with a more expensive project. The initial plan was to allocate about 164bn roubles (5.3bn dollars at the 2011 exchange rate) by 2016.

    The Vostochny project got off to a slow start. In July 2008 the project secured the approval of the Roskosmos board. The engineering design phase began in 2011. Preparations at the actual site began in September 2011. By 2012, work was already under way on all the key parts of the future spaceport, including the launch pad and support facilities, the railway line, roads, the landing strip, and the power line.

    In March 2013 the head of the Dalspetstroy far-east construction company, Yuriy Khrizman, shared some details about the project with the media. “The problem was that the far eastern companies proved unable to supply more than 30 per cent of the necessary construction materials,” he said. “The remaining 70 per cent had to be ordered from companies in western Russia because the far eastern supplies either didn’t make them at all, or the quality was inadequate.”

    Online supervision

    In September 2014 President Putin inspected the Vostochny construction site. After touring the facilities, he said that the project was two months behind schedule, and that only 6,000 people were working at the site instead of the required 12,000-14,000. As a result, he stripped Roskosmos of its role as the project lead, and gave the overall supervision role to the Russian Cabinet, appointing Deputy Prime Minister Dmitriy Rogozin personally responsible.

    From then on, Rogozin began to inspect the site almost every month. In February 2015 he ordered technicians to install web cameras so that progress at the site could be monitored remotely and round the clock.

    Inspections also revealed other problems, not all of them technical. Almost inevitably for such a large and expensive project, there was clear evidence of corruption and embezzlement. Some of the top managers at subcontractor companies were taken into custody, and dozens of separate criminal investigations were launched.
    There has been some industrial action as well, with disgruntled workers complaining of wage arrears. In early April 2015, 20 employees of the launch pad subcontractor Stroyindustriya-S went on a hunger strike. Another 100 people laid down their tools. Deputy Prime Minister Rogozin had to intervene personally, asking the men to go back to work and giving them a personal assurance that they would get paid. Shortly afterwards the Investigations Committee launched a probe into misappropriation of funds, and the company chief was sentenced to 11 months in jail.

    In October 2015 President Putin arrived for another inspection of Vostochny. All the main facilities of the first phase of the project had already been put in place, and engineers were installing the equipment. The president said he was happy with the progress, and allowed the date of the first launch to be pushed back from late 2015 to the first half of 2016.
    In order to meet the new deadline, construction workers at Vostochny even sacrificed most of their Christmas holidays. Comprehensive testing of the spaceport systems began on March 26. On April 4, it was finally announced that the first rocket launch from Vostochny would take place on April 27.

    China’s example


    Despite all the numerous problems, Vostochnhy was built fairly quickly. For comparison, China announced its own plans for a new spaceport on September 22, 2007, i.e. almost simultaneously with Russia. The Chinese chose a site near the city of Wenchang on the northeastern coast of Hainan Island. Unlike Vostochny, the Wenchang site already had well-developed transport and energy infrastructure nearby, with large local companies providing all the necessary materials. Construction of all the main facilities of the Wenchang spaceport was completed in October 2014. The first space launch is scheduled for June 2016.

    Vostochny’s benefits

    The Vostochny space center will give Russia independent space launch capability for the entire range of its space programs, including research, commercial, and manned space flight. Compared to Baikonur, Vostochny has more up-to-date technical facilities. Russia’s international and commercial space programs will no longer depend on Kazakhstan’s good will. It is possible that at some point in the future it may even relinquish its lease of Baikonur altogether.

    The huge Vostochny construction project has also improved the social and economic situation in Amursk Region, and spurred the development of local industry. Finally, the new spaceport is also seen as an important part of the government program to reverse the outflow of population from the Russian Far East.

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    Post  kvs on Sun May 01, 2016 3:03 pm

    George1 wrote:Vostochny Spaceport

    Russia’s new Vostochny Spaceport in the far eastern Amursk Region will facilitate key research programs and serve important economic and geopolitical goals. The Vostochny construction project has been mired in major financial problems and corruption scandals. Nevertheless, the first phase of the project has been delivered almost on schedule; it has taken about the same time to complete as similar projects in other countries.

    Propaganda drivel.   The York subway extension in Toronto was supposed to be complete by the Pan Am games of the summer of 2015.
    It is now promised to be completed by the end of 2017.   This project is in no way more complex or even larger than the Vostochny
    Cosmodrome.   Yet it is over 2.5 years overdue.    It's funny there were signs at some of the station locations where they kept revising
    the completion date in one year increments.   I have not heard of any corruption allegations against this subway project but the evidence
    is there and the contractors are milking the governments (municipal, provincial, federal).    In contrast, when the contractors working on
    the Vostochny Cosmodrome tried to pull similar shit, Putin's "tyrannical regime" came down like a load of bricks on them and four executives
    are now either under house arrest or doing jail time.   The human rights horror.  

    I challenge anyone to provide a single example of "it has taken about the same time to complete as similar projects in other countries".
    This "fact" is pulled straight from the ass of the author of this piece of BS.  

    BTW, the Boston "Big Dig" had even more massive time and cost overruns.  

    Here is some information about NASA's Launch Complex 39:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennedy_Space_Center_Launch_Complex_39

    Its cost was about $500 million in 1962 money or $5.6 billion in current money and it took 3 years to build
    (http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/space/lectures/lec06.html).   Clearly it is only a fraction of Vostochny which
    has a total cost of $13.5 billion.   It took less than 5 years to reach the current stage of Vostochny construction.  

    Western (and associated sycophant) coverage of Russia is always twisted with an anti-Russian agenda.   All sorts of
    defamatory claims are routinely made without a shred of evidence to back them up.   This article fits this category of
    information warfare excrement even if it is mixed with some useful information.   The best propaganda is always a mix
    of lies and truth.

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    Re: New Russian Cosmodrome - Vostochniy

    Post  Rmf on Sun May 01, 2016 11:22 pm

    this blast door. there are few in those concrete columns. there was also some damage on launch pad after take off.



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    Re: New Russian Cosmodrome - Vostochniy

    Post  GarryB on Mon May 02, 2016 1:52 pm

    Big fricken deal... an unsecured door has blown open... there are unlikely to be any people inside or anywhere near the launch pad at the time of launch...

    The blast needed to get very large rockets to leave the ground will damage most man made materials... that is why they use a launch pad rather than a bottle.


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    Re: New Russian Cosmodrome - Vostochniy

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon May 02, 2016 2:16 pm

    Rmf wrote:this blast door. there are few in those concrete columns. there was also some damage on launch pad after take off.

    [http://wwwimg.com/view/19063838/11][img]https://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/19/06/38/38/58d53e1jlll]


    Those are not blast doors. Do you even know what the blast doors are? That is a maintenance access.

    Blast doors usually lead to secure rooms or bunkers. Why would there be a bunker right inside launchpad structure in the middle of a flame pit? Why would there even be more than one of them? And that is standard door most likely plastic. Why would they use some shitty plastic door as a "blast door"?

    Those doors are facing outwards so the could have left them all wide open and it would not mean jack shit.

    What damage on the launchpad are you talking about? Source would be your word eh? Let me guess: flames left marks on the concrete, right? Oh wait, even better, that pool of water in the flame pit evaporated that must be it!

    You are a brain dead moron troll and a living, breathing pro-euthanasia argument. I cannot believe that sentient creature can be so epically stupid. Did your mom drink or smoke crack during pregnancy?

    Please, stop trolling about stuff you don't have a clue about, limit your contact with other human beings and for the sake of human species get a vasectomy ASAP!

    I am taking you off ignore list in order to make sure your idiocy does not spread unchecked. I was being irresponsible before and because of my negligence your bullshit as allowed to just stand there for whole 14 hours. Jesus, people were reading that crap!

    I blame myself, it will not happened again. I am sorry everyone.

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    Re: New Russian Cosmodrome - Vostochniy

    Post  Rmf on Mon May 02, 2016 2:22 pm

    wit a second you first said noone would wuild such a thing and called russian enginears idiots. then said you dont see nothing , now you change talk once again its nothing.
    whatever know it all garry . im tired of your b.s.
    there is a huge vaccum there and after rocket leaves those empty columns are full of toxic gasses and it no big deal???? looollloll...
    And one thing that reminds me of awkward visit from lavrov to fiji long ago to establish diplomatic ties. it seems they got some weapons from russia recently . fiji island rotuma is very close to equator and could be used for launches. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiji
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buLWDMA_bXc

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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon May 02, 2016 2:38 pm

    Rmf wrote:wit a second you first said noone would wuild such a thing and called russian enginears idiots. then said you dont see nothing , now you change talk once again its nothing.
    whatever know it all garry . im tired of your b.s.
    there is a huge vaccum there and after rocket leaves those empty columns are full of toxic gasses and it no big deal???? looollloll...
    And one thing that reminds me of awkward visit from lavrov to fiji long ago to establish diplomatic ties. it seems they got some weapons from russia recently . fiji island rotuma is very close to equator and could be used for launches. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiji
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buLWDMA_bXc

    There can be no vacuum if there are gasses. And it could be filled with sarin it doesn't matter because nobody is around. And do you know why? Because they are launching freakin' rocket, whole place is evacuated.

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    Re: New Russian Cosmodrome - Vostochniy

    Post  GarryB on Tue May 03, 2016 6:52 am

    wit a second you first said noone would wuild such a thing and called russian enginears idiots. then said you dont see nothing , now you change talk once again its nothing.
    whatever know it all garry . im tired of your b.s.

    Hahahaha... the doors you call blast doors likely just enclose stair wells to get from the top of the platform to the lower area in the large hollow beneath the launch platform... all they likely have there are a stair well to get down to the bottom of the structure.

    A blast door is designed to stop blast entering a room or building, this is just an external door to an internal stair well for access to the lower levels of the blast pit.


    This is trivial but I can understand why you are upset... and I am sure it is all Putins fault... he needs to step down as such a door opening during a launch could cause a catastrophic draft that might lead to the internal stair well getting dirty and needing a vacuum to tidy it up... hours of time wasted...

    there is a huge vaccum there and after rocket leaves those empty columns are full of toxic gasses and it no big deal???? looollloll...

    It leaves no vacuum... a rocket blows... it doesn't suck.

    And no matter what fuel it uses all the material it blows is deficient in oxygen so it would be toxic to any human or animal... but guess what... leave the doors open and the toxic material blows away and mixes with the atmosphere which dilutes it to the point where it is no worse than normal air to breathe...

    And one thing that reminds me of awkward visit from lavrov to fiji long ago to establish diplomatic ties. it seems they got some weapons from russia recently . fiji island rotuma is very close to equator and could be used for launches.

    Hahahahaha... yeah... of course... but why go to Fiji... a very unstable country in the grips of a UK created racial problem... the advantage of the launch position in terms of location near the equator is largely negated by the cost of building a launch facility there in a country with no history of friendly relations with Russia... you might as well suggest building a launch centre in Pakistan because recently Russia has sold them some military helicopters...


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    Re: New Russian Cosmodrome - Vostochniy

    Post  nihilusa on Tue May 03, 2016 8:13 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    There can be no vacuum if there are gasses. And it could be filled with sarin it doesn't matter because nobody is around. And do you know why? Because they are launching freakin' rocket, whole place is evacuated.

    Apologies for barging in on a conversation, but actually a pressure drop and or negative pressure are expected at the flame duct/ pit as a result of overheating and expending ambient air. The expansion is caused by rocket produced flames, heated air escapes through large pit open space. Complete vacuum will likely not occur, mostly because of the bouncing air and gas shock waves, but there should be enough negative pressure and enough time to pop those access doors wide open and then keep them slammed against structure by followup shock waves.


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    Re: New Russian Cosmodrome - Vostochniy

    Post  Rmf on Tue May 03, 2016 12:26 pm

    i called them blast doors because they are in the area of the blast you know Rolling Eyes nevermind semantics .
    not so fast , doors are in the ""shadow"" of the rocket blast and acording to bernuli it created a dynamic vaccum which tore them open. then as rocket gets higher this effect diminishes and surrounding air full or rocket exaust returns to blast pit and goes inside columns to equalise pressures. then human cant go inside untill it ventilates becasue of carbon dioxide etc...

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