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    Re: New Russian Cosmodrome - Vostochniy

    Post  kvs on Mon Mar 28, 2016 5:07 am

    Even though Zak is an Atlanticist twerp, the information below is based on official sources:

    http://www.russianspaceweb.com/vostochny_angara.html

    On January 20, 2016, Roskosmos officials admitted that budget cuts at the end of 2015 had required to drop plans to build one of the two launch pads for Angara rockets in Vostochny. Previously, the Russian space officials claimed that a dual launch complex for the Angara was absolutely necessary to support the four-launch scenario of the lunar expeditions relying on the Angara-5V rocket.

    The beginning of the construction of the remaining single pad was now delayed from 2016 to 2017. The facility could still be designed to accomodate multiple members of the Angara family, including Angara-5 and Angara-5V and, eventually, their man-rated versions.

    To save money, the Amur project, which aimed to bring the Angara family to Vostochny, was subdivided into two phases. Only the first phase, which funded the deployment of the Angara-5/KVTK and Angara-5P rockets at the site, would reach flight tests in 2021, during the Federal Space Program extending from 2016 to 2025. The completion of the second phase, which would see the first unmanned launch of the Angara-5V rocket from Vostochny, was now postponed from 2024 to beyond 2025.

    So there will be an Angara launch pad at Vostochny by 2021. There would have been two if not for budget cuts. But
    even one is good enough. They already have one at Plesetsk. I don't see the urgency for three Angara launch pads.

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    Re: New Russian Cosmodrome - Vostochniy

    Post  Rmf on Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:35 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    - Launchpads can and do get modified all the time but it will not be done here. Soyuz is the most reliable and efficient rocket in existence and Soyuz 2 will be used for decades to come.

    .[/b]
    hahaha no they not , its very complicated hard and takes ages - example is unfinished zenit launch pad in plesetsk converted to angara.
    let me get this straight you criticised falcon 9 for being open cycle gas generator scheme and called it race to bottom , and soyuz uses same engine combustion method and its now most reliable and efficient?!?!? (by the way a notice soyuz is used mainly in cargo role) keeping decades old rocket still in service while new one is built just shows how much they lost it.
    angara will be in low production and it will have tremendous costs. angara-a3 version hasnt even flown yet. and every year it doesnt -its a waste.
    chrunichev builds proton, why would they compete with themselves building angara. this way they keep milking money.
    im not proton fan mind you i just say proton is better then angara in cost and production rate and scale.

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    Re: New Russian Cosmodrome - Vostochniy

    Post  Militarov on Tue Mar 29, 2016 1:02 am

    Rmf wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    - Launchpads can and do get modified all the time but it will not be done here. Soyuz is the most reliable and efficient rocket in existence and Soyuz 2 will be used for decades to come.

    .[/b]
    hahaha no they not , its very complicated hard and takes ages - example is unfinished zenit launch pad in plesetsk converted to angara.
    let me get this straight you criticised falcon 9 for being open cycle gas generator scheme and called it race to bottom , and soyuz uses same engine combustion method and its now most reliable and efficient?!?!? (by the way a notice soyuz is used mainly in cargo role) keeping decades old rocket still in service while new one is built just shows how much they lost it.
    angara will be in low production and it will have tremendous costs. angara-a3 version hasnt even flown yet. and every year it doesnt -its a waste.
    chrunichev builds proton, why would they compete with themselves building angara. this way they keep milking money.
    im not proton fan mind you i just say proton is better then angara in cost and production rate and scale.

    Modifying existing launchpads is alot cheaper than building new from scrap, reason why Plesetsk pad took so much time is money, as there were huge gaps in funding though time.

    "By the way a notice soyuz is used mainly in cargo role" - I am failing to see this to be honest. Basically every flight is cargo flight, as they all have some type of cargo, satelite, supplies... If you are trying to say they are not used for manned flights then you missied something big time.

    Manned flights for about 1 year period:

    Soyuz-FG - March 18, 2016.
    Soyuz-FG - December 15, 2015.
    Soyuz-FG - September 2, 2015
    Soyuz-FG - 22 July 2015.
    Soyuz-FG - 27 March 2015.
    Soyuz-FG - 23 November 2014.



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    Re: New Russian Cosmodrome - Vostochniy

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Mar 29, 2016 1:18 am


    I have never used phrase ''race to (the) botttom'' or criticized SpaceX engines (I criticized other features but not engines). If you are going to troll at least get your facts straight and don't troll wrong peson...

    (Alas, ignore function does not apply to quotes... cry )

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    Re: New Russian Cosmodrome - Vostochniy

    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Mar 29, 2016 3:08 am

    Rmf wrote:im not proton fan mind you i just say proton is better then angara in cost and production rate and scale.

    Given that Angara is still in development (albeit in the final stages), is not yet in serial production, and final operating costs are yet to be determined, I find your claim to be somewhat ludicrous.

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    Re: New Russian Cosmodrome - Vostochniy

    Post  Rmf on Tue Mar 29, 2016 5:51 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    I have never used phrase ''race to (the) botttom'' or criticized SpaceX engines (I criticized other features but not engines). If you are going to troll at least get your facts straight and don't troll wrong peson...

    (Alas, ignore function does not apply to quotes... cry  )
    unfortunately you dont have a clue about anything here just PR picture posting it seems,  so i am not quoting you but you agreed with that poster anyway so its there and you can find it .... idiot.

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    Re: New Russian Cosmodrome - Vostochniy

    Post  Rmf on Tue Mar 29, 2016 5:53 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Rmf wrote:im not proton fan mind you i just say proton is better then angara in cost and production rate and scale.

    Given that Angara is still in development (albeit in the final stages), is not yet in serial production, and final operating costs are yet to be determined, I find your claim to be somewhat ludicrous.
    yeah imagine 1990s car still in develpment about to hit production... cry

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    Re: New Russian Cosmodrome - Vostochniy

    Post  Militarov on Tue Mar 29, 2016 6:28 pm

    Rmf wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Rmf wrote:im not proton fan mind you i just say proton is better then angara in cost and production rate and scale.

    Given that Angara is still in development (albeit in the final stages), is not yet in serial production, and final operating costs are yet to be determined, I find your claim to be somewhat ludicrous.
    yeah imagine 1990s car still in develpment about to hit production... cry

    But... cars and space exploration do not corelate... whatsoever. Your example is stupid...at best.

    Angara development started in 1995. however first real money flow into project came as late as 2006. everything before that were beans.

    Fully funded projects in same field like Ariane family took on average 6-7 years per subtype. US developed Delta II, Delta III for an example took 9 years on average... fully funded naturally though whole project and with untouched knowledge and industrial base. If you want to mock something for having long develop phase, try F35, HAL Tejas, Arjun... fully funded projects all of them.

    Btw... some cars that were developed in 70s and 80s are still in production...




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    Re: New Russian Cosmodrome - Vostochniy

    Post  Rmf on Tue Mar 29, 2016 6:38 pm

    then there shouldnt have been any develpment and competition postponed for 2000s . and all old launchers finnaly retired . russia always ends up with old + modernised old+ new driving the costs way up actually and spreading limited human resourses wide and control very thin resulting in crashes... not to mention training and education of scientific workforse on so many rockets,... but thats the thing when you have lobbies and wide coruption , cars in 1990 s had petrol engines like today but many things have changed, new digital controls , turbine monitoring systems, better incertion and engine cuttoff , precision machines for parts ,etc , thats just tip of the iceberg ..... thus better/ reliable/ lighter /less consumption /engines. angara is now child of the 90s and noone would have approved then if they knew it would be launching first payloads in 2016-17.

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    Post  Militarov on Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:25 pm

    Rmf wrote:then there shouldnt have been any develpment and competition postponed for 2000s . and all old launchers finnaly retired . russia always ends up with old + modernised old+ new driving the costs way up actually and spreading limited human resourses wide and control very thin resulting in crashes... not to mention training and education of scientific workforse on so many rockets,... but thats the thing when you have lobbies and wide coruption , cars in 1990 s had petrol engines like today but many things have changed, new digital controls , turbine monitoring systems, better incertion and engine cuttoff , precision machines for parts ,etc , thats just tip of the iceberg ..... thus better/ reliable/ lighter /less consumption /engines. angara is now child of the 90s and noone would have approved then if they knew it would be launching first payloads in 2016-17.

    "Resulting in crashes" - because crashes and accidents happen only in Russia O.o? May i remind you that US had more deaths related to space flights than USSR/Russia? Probably even more crashes, i cant be rly sure too lazy to search for such data atm.

    CNC machines and precise tooling were available long before 90s i mind you, even Yugoslavia was producing own CNC machines. And "digital controls" as you call them can be installed in Ford-T if you are really into it. Humvee did not change almost at all for last 30 years in mechanical aspect. Car companies do exacly what you say Russia does, they take old models, tweak them abit and sell them as new models. Anyways, you cant compare something so commercial as a car and something so specific as Soyuz/Angara/Ariane.

    Child of 90s but majority of its development phase was done in 2000s. Whole Ariane family is based on late 70s, early 80s technology... so what? Reinventing the wheel is not the point here, whole world is literally modernising original solutions from 60s and 70s when its rocket technology in question. Adding sensors, and computers for certain tasks/diagnostics is just cherry on the top of cake, core of things did not change much whatsoever.

    Russia has many different rockets? Sure, but the rest of the world does too...

    Ariane family had always 3 variations in use at any present time then you have Minotaur 1, Minotaur 4, Falcon 1, Falcon 9, Antares, Delta IV, Atlas V, Athena, Taurus, Pegasus, Delta II, Pegasus, Titan 4... they all were or still are used at the same time. How comes NASA, Orbital ATK, Boeing or whoever is operating/producing them is not stretching staff but Russia somehow is? O.o

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    Re: New Russian Cosmodrome - Vostochniy

    Post  Rmf on Tue Mar 29, 2016 9:09 pm

    well its not much of difference in deaths and it depends on how many humans were sent up percentage wise. yea and usa retired many of them- russia ,cant seem to let go, titan4 had same percentage success like proton -m and it was retired. so lets focus on what is used basically falcon 9, delta 4,  atlas ,and pegasus is whats left which Usa over 5 times bigger budget of 17 bill can support.! pegasus is smallest program so it can be ignored. russia has angara ,proton, zenit, soyuz, - all in 3-4 many versions ,rockot ,dnepr ,strela .....

    And those many launchers in USA were reason costs were going up ,and they didnt go anywhere in the rich 90s ,and still they have 3 times more working satelites in orbit then Russia.

    cherry or not those computers can save mission even payload sometimes by quick milisecond reaction and russia lost many satelites because its electronics didint work or failed also many chips dont work in vaccum but needed pressurised vessel -which increases weight by the way ,and now sanctions on electronics hitting russian space sector hard ,its no joke. a good selfdiagnostic program could save 200 mill proton mission with 3 glonasss an stop toxic spill because of wrong installed sensor.
    angara goes by the EELV expandable modular launch vehicle like delta like usa did in 90s. and they introdusing it in 2020s ahahaha is pathetic.
    prolonged development times increses development costs and feeding all that sitting workforse blows budgets. also mens doubbling of staff for proton and angara , vostochni and baikonur. and doubling of soyuz launch pads and making that moving building is so sutpid beyond words ,instead of just keep launching from baikonur and make only angara launch pads and start already flying missions.
    i doubt yugoslav cnc machines can build rocket parts ,there are many "cnc" types of machines, but whatever.

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    Re: New Russian Cosmodrome - Vostochniy

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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:29 am


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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Apr 11, 2016 1:59 am














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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:49 pm


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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Apr 23, 2016 4:23 pm


    Soyuz 2.1a moved to launch pad:

































































    http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/1271570.html

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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:29 pm







    Possible Angara launchpad location and layout:


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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:20 pm



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    Re: New Russian Cosmodrome - Vostochniy

    Post  Big_Gazza on Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:12 pm

    I must say that Vostochny is looking very nice now.  Its clearly a few billion that has been VERY well spent.  The Western MSM is still on its small-minded crusade to piss on Russia's parade however, and with just about every MSM article on the impending launch, it seems to be par for the course to include the mandatory references to "construction mishaps" and "corruption "... Given that project of this scale was completed on budget and only slipped by ~4 months (over a 5 year period) I'd call the project a resounding success (assuming a successful 1st flight of course).

    Our corrupt pressitute media insists on treating shoddy behavior by the owners of PRIVATE construction sub-contractors (not government agencies) as an excuse to criticise either Putin or his government, especially after Rogozin intervened personally to resolve the problems. The corporate elitist NWO agenda is blatantly obvious...

    Anyhow, I wish them good luck with the 1st launch!

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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:21 am


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    First Launch From Vostochny Cosmodrome

    Roscosmos launched of a Soyuz-2.1a rocket, carrying three satellites, at 05:01 a.m. Moscow time (02:01 GMT) on Thursday.


    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160428/1038742805/vostochny-cosmodrome-launch.html

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    Post  zg18 on Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:26 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
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    First Launch From Vostochny Cosmodrome

    Roscosmos launched of a Soyuz-2.1a rocket, carrying three satellites, at 05:01 a.m. Moscow time (02:01 GMT) on Thursday.


    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160428/1038742805/vostochny-cosmodrome-launch.html

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