Military Forum for Russian and Global Defence Issues


    Verba MANPAD

    Share
    avatar
    Book.

    Posts : 704
    Points : 767
    Join date : 2015-05-08
    Location : Oregon, USA

    Re: Verba MANPAD

    Post  Book. on Wed Jun 17, 2015 1:40 am

    TheArmenian wrote:First photo of Verba MANPADS

    http://bastion-karpenko.ru/kartinki/VERBA_ARMIA-2015_150516_02.jpg


    I wait the long time. it look hitech !

    thk ! cheers
    avatar
    Morpheus Eberhardt

    Posts : 1945
    Points : 2066
    Join date : 2013-05-20

    Re: Verba MANPAD

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Wed Jun 17, 2015 1:57 pm

    Book. wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:First photo of Verba MANPADS

    http://bastion-karpenko.ru/kartinki/VERBA_ARMIA-2015_150516_02.jpg


    I wait the long time. it look hitech !

    thk ! cheers

    We have posted pictures of the 9M336 earlier on this thread at http://www.russiadefence.net/t3193-verba-manpad#55544.

    I think Verba is the nickname for the system, not just the missile.
    avatar
    Book.

    Posts : 704
    Points : 767
    Join date : 2015-05-08
    Location : Oregon, USA

    Re: Verba MANPAD

    Post  Book. on Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:59 pm

    I agree morph. post no.7 respekt

    just happy see brochuer study

    avatar
    Morpheus Eberhardt

    Posts : 1945
    Points : 2066
    Join date : 2013-05-20

    Re: Verba MANPAD

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Fri Jun 19, 2015 12:20 pm

    Four more images of missiles of the Verba system:

    The first 2 are from alexZam's posts; the last 2 are from the Raketnaya Tekhnika site







    avatar
    Book.

    Posts : 704
    Points : 767
    Join date : 2015-05-08
    Location : Oregon, USA

    Re: Verba MANPAD

    Post  Book. on Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:33 pm

    KBM says Verba MANPADS now being sold internationally
    Nikolai Novichkov, Paris and Jeremy Binnie, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
    Russian defence company KBM officially unveiled its new-generation 9K333 Verba (Willow) manportable air defence system (MANPADS) during the Army-2015 international forum and declared for the first time that it has been cleared for export sales.

    "The export of Verbas is permitted and we have been asked to supply the MANPADS [to a foreign customer],"KBM designer general Valeriy Kashin said during the event. However, he did not identify the customer.

    The system is already in serial production for the Russian Armed Forces, with several ground forces and airborne brigades receiving Verbas since 2014, Kashin said.

    The system's 9M336 missiles is the only one of its kind with a three-channel optical seeker, which operates in the ultraviolet, near-infrared, and mid-infrared wavelengths. Kashin said this "makes the MANPADS a more accurate and sensitive weapon. The enhanced sensitivity increases the range of practical target acquisition".

    Comparing it to other MANPADS, Kashin said it is the most capable ever developed. "Verba has a fire range of 6 km and the range of target acquisition is increased by two-and-a-half times. [It's] jamming resistance against flares is increased by 10 times," he said.

    He described the system as "fully digital" and said that, while it can be used autonomously, it becomes significantly more effective if integrated with a fire control system. It also has an identification friend or foe (IFF) system integrated as standard.

    The designer general pointed out that KBM was developing air and naval variants of the system. "We have made some hardware to integrate it into air and naval platforms; of course, we are going to do that", he said.

    http://www.janes.com/article/52424/kbm-says-verba-manpads-now-being-sold-internationally

    Sell fast like hot cake thumbsup

    1 secret customor

    victor1985

    Posts : 723
    Points : 764
    Join date : 2015-01-02

    Re: Verba MANPAD

    Post  victor1985 on Fri Jun 19, 2015 6:34 pm

    Maibe a computer program can be added such that makes difference between iregular flares and smoke and a certain shape whit same temperature of area. Also that can see straight lines of shape of tanks. Also the distance can be calculated so can be seen if a smoke is in front of a tank and cover it. Just see the rate of decrease power ofinfrared or ultraviolet waves. Uniform shape that deliver same power does not deliver same power as smoke in front

    victor1985

    Posts : 723
    Points : 764
    Join date : 2015-01-02

    Re: Verba MANPAD

    Post  victor1985 on Fri Jun 19, 2015 6:35 pm

    Or the program could simply suppose that a smoke always cover a tank and the tank is inevitable in the back.

    victor1985

    Posts : 723
    Points : 764
    Join date : 2015-01-02

    Re: Verba MANPAD

    Post  victor1985 on Fri Jun 19, 2015 6:38 pm

    A bluethoot sistem could show wether the tank is in the back of smoke or not. And have a low weight
    avatar
    Morpheus Eberhardt

    Posts : 1945
    Points : 2066
    Join date : 2013-05-20

    Re: Verba MANPAD

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Jun 20, 2015 12:13 am

    Book. wrote:
    KBM says Verba MANPADS now being sold internationally
    Nikolai Novichkov, Paris and Jeremy Binnie, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
    Russian defence company KBM officially unveiled its new-generation 9K333 Verba (Willow) manportable air defence system (MANPADS) during the Army-2015 international forum and declared for the first time that it has been cleared for export sales.

    "The export of Verbas is permitted and we have been asked to supply the MANPADS [to a foreign customer],"KBM designer general Valeriy Kashin said during the event. However, he did not identify the customer.

    The system is already in serial production for the Russian Armed Forces, with several ground forces and airborne brigades receiving Verbas since 2014, Kashin said.

    The system's 9M336 missiles is the only one of its kind with a three-channel optical seeker, which operates in the ultraviolet, near-infrared, and mid-infrared wavelengths. Kashin said this "makes the MANPADS a more accurate and sensitive weapon. The enhanced sensitivity increases the range of practical target acquisition".

    Comparing it to other MANPADS, Kashin said it is the most capable ever developed. "Verba has a fire range of 6 km and the range of target acquisition is increased by two-and-a-half times. [It's] jamming resistance against flares is increased by 10 times," he said.

    He described the system as "fully digital" and said that, while it can be used autonomously, it becomes significantly more effective if integrated with a fire control system. It also has an identification friend or foe (IFF) system integrated as standard.

    The designer general pointed out that KBM was developing air and naval variants of the system. "We have made some hardware to integrate it into air and naval platforms; of course, we are going to do that", he said.

    http://www.janes.com/article/52424/kbm-says-verba-manpads-now-being-sold-internationally

    Sell fast like hot cake thumbsup

    1 secret customor

    Here is the picture from Jane's.

    avatar
    Morpheus Eberhardt

    Posts : 1945
    Points : 2066
    Join date : 2013-05-20

    Re: Verba MANPAD

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Jun 20, 2015 1:03 am

    Another Verba image from alexZam's post:

    avatar
    Book.

    Posts : 704
    Points : 767
    Join date : 2015-05-08
    Location : Oregon, USA

    Re: Verba MANPAD

    Post  Book. on Sat Jun 20, 2015 7:40 am

    I think mistra stinger. only 2 color seeker

    Today verba the no1.
    avatar
    Cyberspec

    Posts : 1938
    Points : 2103
    Join date : 2011-08-08
    Location : Terra Australis

    Re: Verba MANPAD

    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Jun 20, 2015 10:30 am

    Here's a bigger one from Bastion-Karpenko

    avatar
    max steel

    Posts : 2979
    Points : 3011
    Join date : 2015-02-12
    Location : South Pole

    Re: Verba MANPAD

    Post  max steel on Sat Jun 20, 2015 10:21 pm

    Hitting Everything That Flies: New Russian MANPAD Verba Knows No Equals




    The Russian military is receiving new man-portable air-defense systems that outshine such powerful weapons as the Stinger and Igla-S. At first glance, Verba looks like its Russian and American predecessors the Igla and Stinger: a tube and an aiming sight. However, at that point the similarities end.

    The new MANPAD goes beyond hitting traditional targets for this type of weapon — helicopters and planes — and is capable of striking cruise missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs, drones).

    Its surface-to-air missile (SAM) is equipped with a unique three-spectrum seeker that comprises the ultraviolet, near infrared and middle infrared bands. This variety provides more data about the target, which makes Verba a discriminate weapon. Moreover, Verba's seeker is more sensitive than that of the Igla-S, which extends the range of target engagement. The seeker automatically detects decoy heat targets and ignores them, focusing on targets with greater heat, which makes the new MANPAD extremely precise.

    The automatic system detects the flight parameters of a group of targets and assigns them among the shooters, taking advantage of each serviceman's location.

    Verba has been tried by Russian airborne troops whose commander reported that shooting sped up more than tenfold. Earlier, it took from three to five minutes between detecting a target and firing at it; with Verba, the process narrowed to several seconds.

    The system also includes a ground-based "friend-or-foe" interrogator to prevent friendly fire.

    Verba's new solid-fueled engine allows the shooter to hit a target that moves at the speed of 500 m/s at a distance of more than six kilometers. The strike altitude varies from 10 meters to 4.5km. This gives Verba a significant advantage over the Stinger that cannot attack helicopters flying lower than 180 meters.

    Verba has a simplified maintenance service and has proven sustainable even in harsh Arctic conditions.

    The military considers Verba as a reliable defense against contemporary attack aircraft and cruise missiles.

    The Russian Defense Ministry has already signed a contract on delivering the systems to the Armed Forces.


    http://sputniknews.com/military/20150620/1023633859.html#ixzz3ddSlPYVk


    btw do americans still use Stinger MANPAD only or they have upgraded their manpads too ? Can anyone compare both russian and usa manpads .
    avatar
    Book.

    Posts : 704
    Points : 767
    Join date : 2015-05-08
    Location : Oregon, USA

    Re: Verba MANPAD

    Post  Book. on Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:19 am

    max steel wrote:btw do americans still use Stinger MANPAD only or they have upgraded their manpads too ? Can anyone compare both russian and usa manpads .

    Yea stinger no differ the igla. 2 way seeker. proxy fuse

    US avanger update. no stinger only aim 9x

    I think stinger no future



    Poor man pantsr scratch
    avatar
    Flyboy77

    Posts : 61
    Points : 64
    Join date : 2013-06-01

    Re: Verba MANPAD

    Post  Flyboy77 on Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:00 am

    Cyberspec wrote:Here's a bigger one from Bastion-Karpenko


    Can anyone tell me what that cage thing is on top of the launcher? I'm guessing its similar to what's commonly seen on the stinger launcher.
    avatar
    Morpheus Eberhardt

    Posts : 1945
    Points : 2066
    Join date : 2013-05-20

    Re: Verba MANPAD

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:05 am

    Flyboy77 wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:Here's a bigger one from Bastion-Karpenko


    Can anyone tell me what that cage thing is on top of the launcher? I'm guessing its similar to what's commonly seen on the stinger launcher.  

    It is the IFF antenna.
    avatar
    Flyboy77

    Posts : 61
    Points : 64
    Join date : 2013-06-01

    Re: Verba MANPAD

    Post  Flyboy77 on Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:10 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Flyboy77 wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:Here's a bigger one from Bastion-Karpenko


    Can anyone tell me what that cage thing is on top of the launcher? I'm guessing its similar to what's commonly seen on the stinger launcher.  

    It is the IFF antenna.

    ah ok. Thanks
    avatar
    max steel

    Posts : 2979
    Points : 3011
    Join date : 2015-02-12
    Location : South Pole

    Re: Verba MANPAD

    Post  max steel on Sun Jun 21, 2015 7:27 pm

    Book wrote: Yea stinger no differ the igla. 2 way seeker. proxy fuse

    US avanger update. no stinger only aim 9x

    I think stinger no future

    Poor man pantsr


    What I found on internet .

    Verba vs Stinger


    Russia recently announced that some troops had begun receiving the new Verba shoulder fired anti-aircraft missiles. This missile had been mentioned for several years, as a replacement for the Igla-S models. Also known as the SA-24, this one is a post-Cold War upgrade of a design that was introduced the same time as the American Stinger (early 1980s).

    Igla-S entered service in 2004, weighs 19 kg (42 pounds) and fires an 11.7 kg (26 pound) missile for up to 6,000 meters.No exact specifications on the Verba have been released yet but they are probably somewhere between Igla-S and the Stinger.

    Verba is said to have about 20 percent greater range, speed and altitude as well as a 20 percent heavier warhead.

    The heat sensor is more effective as is the ability to defeat countermeasures.In contrast the 14.3 kg American Stinger fires its 10.1 kg missile out to 8,000 meters but both systems have similar resistance to countermeasures and a warhead of about the same size (2-3 kg/4.4-6.6 pounds).

    The Igla-S in the hands of terrorists could bring down helicopters and airliners taking off but was designed for battlefield use against helicopters and other low flying aircraft.

    Along with Verba comes a new control system for short range anti-aircraft systems.

    The Russian press release describes the new command and control system as unrivaled.

    That said, the U.S. has had such systems since the 1960s but the Russians don’t make any comparisons. Suspect  Question  scratch
    avatar
    Book.

    Posts : 704
    Points : 767
    Join date : 2015-05-08
    Location : Oregon, USA

    Re: Verba MANPAD

    Post  Book. on Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:47 pm

    [quote="max steel"]
    George1 wrote:The Russian press release describes the new command and control system as unrivaled.

    That said, the U.S. has had such systems since the 1960s but the Russians don’t make any comparisons. Suspect  Question  scratch

    Soviet no bother IFF or into system. Igla must low cost cheap

    Verba 3 way seeker. no rival

    If connect system it better
    avatar
    max steel

    Posts : 2979
    Points : 3011
    Join date : 2015-02-12
    Location : South Pole

    Re: Verba MANPAD

    Post  max steel on Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:57 pm

    Book are you from US only ? I can't get your english properly . ( no offense )
    avatar
    Book.

    Posts : 704
    Points : 767
    Join date : 2015-05-08
    Location : Oregon, USA

    Re: Verba MANPAD

    Post  Book. on Sun Jun 21, 2015 9:02 pm

    Novosibirsk but company send me do job

    Only ever other season study
    avatar
    GunshipDemocracy

    Posts : 1502
    Points : 1542
    Join date : 2015-05-17
    Location : fishin on Stalin´s Strait between Mexico and Canada

    Re: Verba MANPAD

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Jun 21, 2015 9:09 pm

    Book. wrote:Novosibirsk but company send me do job

    GRU 3rd company? Twisted Evil
    avatar
    GunshipDemocracy

    Posts : 1502
    Points : 1542
    Join date : 2015-05-17
    Location : fishin on Stalin´s Strait between Mexico and Canada

    Re: Verba MANPAD

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Jun 21, 2015 9:10 pm

    Verba for Gibka? Will Verba replace Iglas in Gibka naval mounts? any news?
    avatar
    Werewolf

    Posts : 5361
    Points : 5598
    Join date : 2012-10-24

    Re: Verba MANPAD

    Post  Werewolf on Mon Jun 22, 2015 2:01 am

    max steel wrote:Book are you from US only ? I can't get your english properly . ( no offense )

    Book is a prototype AI that process highly intelligent questions and data to modulate the processed information into output which is limited by 40 characters, which is problem off not always understanding him, but well enough to compete against Yoda.
    avatar
    GarryB

    Posts : 16302
    Points : 16933
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    Re: Verba MANPAD

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jun 23, 2015 1:21 am

    The US had communications systems in the 1960s but nothing like the IADS the Soviets have had over the same period... the main difference is that Barnaul-m now integrates MANPADS into the system, which is primarily interested in stopping cruise missiles and other strategic threats.

    MANPADS of previous designs were unable to hit cruise missiles so there was no point in integrating them fully into the IADS... now they have.

    And Stinger has a range closer to 5km... 8km range is BS.... like the 600m "effective" range of M16... since proven more like 200m... in terms of lethality.


    _________________
    “The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion […] but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.”

    ― Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order

    Sponsored content

    Re: Verba MANPAD

    Post  Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Sun Aug 20, 2017 9:43 am