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    French Politics. Impact on Russia relations

    Post  GarryB on Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:14 am

    The next general election in France will be quite interesting considering the low popularity of Sarkosy and what the opposition are saying...

    France to ditch NATO, embrace Russia if National Front comes to power

    The ultra-right National Front will pull France out of NATO and forge
    a privileged partnership with Russia if it wins next year's
    presidential election, its leader Marine Le Pen said on Wednesday.
    "I believe that France's interests are in Europe, but in Great
    Europe, especially including its partnership with Russia," she said
    during a party congress.
    A privileged partnership with Russia is necessitated by "obvious
    civilization and geostrategic factors" as well as France's "energy
    security interests."
    She also pledged to revise the country's relations with the United
    States and pull France out of NATO, saying that the National Front has
    from day one been opposed to NATO membership.
    Marine Le Pen said on Friday France would also dump the euro and impose heavy levies on imports to boost French industry.
    Marine Le Pen replaced her father Jean-Marie Le Pen as party leader
    this year. According to some polls, she could score an outright victory
    over President Nicolas Sarkozy in the April 2012 vote.
    PARIS, April 13 (RIA Novosti)
    Interesting, but if they get in will they follow through?France was always really only partly in NATO and liked its independance... will a France leaving NATO and the Euro currency effect NATO and the EU in a good way or a bad way?It was my understanding that France and Germany are fairly important to the Euro.Imposing tarriffs on imports is against the WTO rules, though most countries still do it... will they leave the WTO too?Will other European countries follow?

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:40 am

    She is talking pretty stupid... if Nicolean can get Gaddafi out, I think he wins.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:45 am

    And if he can't?

    Nothing French farmers like more than stopping trucks containing meat imported into France and burning them.

    There will be a lot of support for high import tariffs.

    Will be interesting to watch.

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    Post  Pervius on Thu May 12, 2011 5:38 am

    France owes Taiwan almost $1 Billion over the Frigate scandal.

    Apparently they build some military ships for Taiwan and there was some bribing going on.

    France can't afford to pay Taiwan that much. Hence they will have to back away from who their friends were...they won't side with Germany anymore and denounce the "One China" policy....they will side with whoever says Taiwan belongs to China...to get away from their debt to Taiwan.

    Is this on topic? Shocked - RP

    Please explain

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    Post  NationalRus on Fri May 13, 2011 4:49 pm

    i cross my fingers for the national front

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat May 14, 2011 12:05 pm

    Nicoleon has gotten a 4% bump in approval since his Libya invasion, if he can get Gaddafi out it should bump him in the lead.

    Pervius wrote:France owes Taiwan almost $1 Billion over the Frigate scandal.

    Apparently they build some military ships for Taiwan and there was some bribing going on.

    France can't afford to pay Taiwan that much. Hence they will have to back away from who their friends were...they won't side with Germany anymore and denounce the "One China" policy....they will side with whoever says Taiwan belongs to China...to get away from their debt to Taiwan.

    Is this on topic? Shocked - RP

    Please explain

    That is what Taiwan says, the French courts will never make them pay it. France cut off new military sales to Taiwan about 10 years ago to win Chinese nuclear and Airbus contracts. The frigate scandal was just one of many scandals entangled in the Clearstream trial, of which Sarkozy's buddy Villepin was acquitted.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun May 15, 2011 3:47 am

    Nicoleon has gotten a 4% bump in approval since his Libya invasion, if he can get Gaddafi out it should bump him in the lead.

    And Obama got a bump in approval rating when he revealed the US had gotten Osama, but I don't think that will last either.

    If Gaddafi is smart (and he has lasted 40 odd years in power so he is not an idiot) he can stay away from all military targets and survive.

    The west has greatly exaggerated the ability and size and performance of the rebels and if this stretches out for very long you can expect EU countries getting tired of spending money on this conflict.

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    Post  nemrod on Sun May 25, 2014 10:56 pm

    Front National for the first time of its history is leading an election. Moreover, this party is the only one that is russian-friendly, on contrary to the other political movements that are all US-Nato friendly.
    We will see next the aftermaths.

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/national-fronts-le-pen-urges-dissolution-french-parliament-184900095.html#BFP0Qzo

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/polls-french-far-leads-europe-vote-202613732.html#5UxU5US

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    Post  TR1 on Sun May 25, 2014 11:06 pm

    Le Pen is also a huge twat.

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    Post  macedonian on Mon May 26, 2014 9:34 am

    TR1 wrote:Le Pen is also a huge twat*.

    She should be in good company in the European Parliament than.



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    Re: French Politics. Impact on Russia relations

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Mon May 26, 2014 9:40 am

    Yeah the results of the European elections were HUGE. For the first time real pro Russian or Russian friendly parties won in Europe! and other have a sizable representation.
    This is almost as major as for Remninbi to become the reserve currency! Soon more to follow in this direction.

    And to make myself clear, this is probably the greatest victory against US hegemony since 1945. It's implications might be bigger than the Vietnam war and analogous with the Sino-Russian
    broke up in the early 70s, on the opposite direction of course. Moscow MUST follow up doing the right (pun intented  Laughing ) steps here.

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    Re: French Politics. Impact on Russia relations

    Post  As Sa'iqa on Mon May 26, 2014 10:04 am

    Hannibal, can you outline the main reasons behind your pro-Russian stance?
    ............

    In Poland the elections were probably won by Prawo i Sprawiedliwość (Law and Justice) party.

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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Mon May 26, 2014 12:39 pm

    As Sa'iqa wrote:Hannibal, can you outline the main reasons behind your pro-Russian stance?
    ............

    I know you are a troller but I will give you an honest reply because you are still quite young and since you insist to be here...I might not be completely in vain.


    As a man:
    Because I have slept with much more Slavic+Romanian girls than Greek let alone Western European


    As a businessman:
    Because I wonna milk this 17 million square miles cow and an other 3 billion people markets connected to Eurasia via Russia


    As a Orthodox Christian:
    -Because I am fing Orthodox

    -Because being fing Orthodox I share the same values, the same culture, the same history, the same art and more


    As a Greek:
    -Because I made this bunch of thugs a nation and an empire and I want to see them succeed

    -Because I was fu@ed by West, I want to turn East and work with my eternal colleagues against my eternal enemies

    -Because I cannot stand being in a "coalition" with my worst enemy


    As a political being:
    Cause I believe in nationalism like China and Russia and not in globalization or zionistation and such crap


    As a human being:
    Because I grew sick with the anglosaxon crimes against humanity


    As a adventurer:
    Because I want some adrenaline, bored too often and too easy


    As a soldier:
    Because, if needed, I will gladly prove who is the better man...


    You want more?

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    Re: French Politics. Impact on Russia relations

    Post  nemrod on Mon May 26, 2014 5:34 pm

    TR1 wrote:Le Pen is also a huge twat.

    Well, you seem to know him very closely to assert such thing. I born in France, since 47 years, what i can assert that all what we were taught about almost every things, especially regarding F.N. were pure lies. However, I cannot say that this party won't follow Goldman Sachs's diktat once elected.


    Hannibal Barca wrote:Yeah the results of the European elections were HUGE. For the first time real pro Russian or Russian friendly parties won in Europe! and other have a sizable representation.
    I don't know for ther other parties in Europe, the only party that I know better is F.N. I know that if he electe, he would -I don't say sure-, but he would soften his stance vis a vis Russia.


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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Mon May 26, 2014 5:54 pm

    nemrod wrote:
    TR1 wrote:Le Pen is also a huge twat.

    Well, you seem to know him very closely to assert such thing. I born in France, since 47 years, what i can assert that all what we were taught about almost every things, especially regarding F.N. were pure lies. However, I cannot say that this party won't follow Goldman Sachs's diktat once elected.


    Hannibal Barca wrote:Yeah the results of the European elections were HUGE. For the first time real pro Russian or Russian friendly parties won in Europe! and other have a sizable representation.
    I don't know for ther other parties in Europe, the only party that I know better is F.N. I know that if he electe, he would -I don't say sure-, but he would soften his stance vis a vis Russia.


    Jean Lepen is a genius. Mari is just the daughter of Jean. She is photogenic, likeable and bright image  but not a visionary.
    She took a more conservative and more sterilized stance to get to the general public  and this is precisely what her genius father knew when he selected her.
    She is just the mediator because French society is not yet ready to adopt a full fledged nationalism and as a mediator she is a damn good I have to say.
    Problem is Jean must live for a while, if he dies now his "front" will collapse under the pressure of the decadent society.

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    Post  nemrod on Mon May 26, 2014 9:55 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:
    Problem is Jean must live for a while, if he dies now his "front" will collapse under the pressure of the decadent society.

    I used to heard this argument for at least 40 years. If the father dies, then...No FN. This is the usual false zionist argument.
    The Front National is not simple basic movement, it is nationalist movement with true deep roots inside the french society, and history. The Front National could not die easily. Moreover, this movement is near Vladimir Putin's movement. Front National became to grow because the french elites began givinng up the french soveregnity and implemented mondialism, ultra-liberalism. It won't be obvious if the Front National will disparear in a forseabable futur.

    PS: Do you speak french ?

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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Mon May 26, 2014 10:25 pm

    The movement no cannot die but the party can because like you I don't trust Marie all that much.
    Already started doing one mistake after the other. I already see that will not collaborate with UKIP because she is too nationalist.
    But then she will not intent to work with parties like Golden Dawn or British National Front or Italian Lega Nord cause she is not so much nationalist after all....
    This is moronic, it's a lose lose situation. Either you manage to merge or you fail.
    Americunts managed to merge south korea with japan and greece with turkey and germany with france.... can't be that fing difficult to merge Jobbik with the Dutch nationalists...
    Time will tell, but she is untrustworthy although likeable and  a lieutenant must watch her upclose.

    PS No I don't though I am up and coming in Geneva cause I work there sometimes.

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    Re: French Politics. Impact on Russia relations

    Post  As Sa'iqa on Tue May 27, 2014 3:57 pm

    Well... When they counted votes from Warsaw, it turned out that in fact Platforma Obuwatelska (Civic Platform) won, albeit by a very slight margin, about 1%.

    What I would like to see in Europarlament is "nationalism" of a pan-European kind, not a petty national one.

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    Re: French Politics. Impact on Russia relations

    Post  macedonian on Tue May 27, 2014 5:09 pm

    As Sa'iqa wrote:...What I would like to see in Europarlament is "nationalism" of a pan-European kind, not a petty national one.

    You'd have to point out exactly what is "European nationality" than.
    I mean I'm European by geography, but am not European by nationality, so I wouldn't fit in there.
    Then again, Macedonia is not in the EU, so would "European Nationality" apply exclusively to EU member nations?
    Not to Norway, Russia, Serbia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Ukraine, Belarus or Switzerland than?
    How is it defined than, this pan-European "nationalism"? What does the very idea mean?

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    Post  As Sa'iqa on Tue May 27, 2014 5:26 pm

    Stressing common roots, culture, history, values etc. basically replacing vatious nationalities with a single, European one. Modern day nationalism is pretty much an invention of 19th century, before then Europe was more cosmopolitical and things such as what language you speak held far less importance than they did afterwards.

    Such an approach works well in China. China is as vast as Europe and people from Beijing can't understand people from Guangzhou. Yet despite such huge differences in language and (to a large degree) culture, people there associate themselves strongly with the general Chinese nation.

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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Tue May 27, 2014 6:04 pm

    As Sa'iqa wrote:Stressing common roots, culture, history, values etc. basically replacing vatious nationalities with a single, European one. Modern day nationalism is pretty much an invention of 19th century, before then Europe was more cosmopolitical and things such as what language you speak held far less importance than they did afterwards.

    Such an approach works well in China. China is as vast as Europe and people from Beijing can't understand people from Guangzhou. Yet despite such huge differences in language and (to a large degree) culture, people there associate themselves strongly with the general Chinese nation.


    Differences in language and in culture in China? Oh boy I wonder what kind of TV you have in Poland. This must be stupidity on steroids.
    To get you a first glance of the reality, China was for centuries MOSTLY a culture adjective more than anything else (like with Jews as well)
    in the same way that with European countries was the idea of nation or race. Get your facts straight for starters.

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    And no don't care for this babel to keep crawling for the sole reason for your stupid politicians (ours as well) to not get hammered..
    I have only two enemies Turkey of course and this shithole in the north thinking that they have anything to do with Macedonia lol.
    For the first EU never did anything for the later, well, soon will be divided to their respected races like Ukraine, Albania, Bulgaria and Serbia,
    I would gladly take a share for my own  if I would though  Very Happy 

    Socially I am part of the decadent western civilization and most of my music and culture replaced by English language and as a side product I have some 2 million illegal immigrants
    who are mostly men and Muslims meaning that they don't interact sexually and they don;t intent to after all so they don;t have the SLIGHTEST chance to integrate here.
    As for the economic front, I am already bankrupt, with an eternal titanic debt and more than 50% true unemployment and some 80% of organic unemployment.
    What worse can happen to me?  Laughing lol! 

    OK I tried to describe the situation from the standpoint of a young Greek individual to provide intelligence.

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    French politics

    Post  George1 on Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:53 pm

    Sarkozy: France should keep its word in Mistral deal with Russia

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    Re: French Politics. Impact on Russia relations

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:26 pm

    There should be a fine from russian side against France for playing games.

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    Re: French Politics. Impact on Russia relations

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:55 pm

    No reason to panic. France is the one and only big Catholic country where Russia has good support politically. Socialists are allied with the Jews, hopeless, and conservatives are marionettes of the WASP's for decades  but wherever there is a nationalist movement Russia has strongholds .

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    Re: French Politics. Impact on Russia relations

    Post  George1 on Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:18 pm

    Hollande claims leadership among countries seeking detente with Russia - Pushkov

    MOSCOW, January 6. /TASS/. French President Francois Hollande by his statement about the possible lifting of Western sanctions on Russia has claimed leadership among the countries seeing detente in relations with Russia, a senior Russian lawmaker said on Tuesday. “His words may mean the revision by at least some of the EU states of their stance on the current Ukrainian crisis and the country’s prospects,” said Aleksei Pushkov, head of the international affairs committee at the State Duma lower house of parliament.

    The lawmaker admitted that today it is too early to speak of changes in the European Union’s policy course, and it is not accidental that Brussels has made a statement that Hollande expressed his own stance as the French president and not an official stance of the EU. “I think the European Union has not decided yet on the sanctions policy in 2015,” Pushkov said.

    “The French leader’s statement has shown that the countries that hold to moderate positions [towards Russia] have gradually started to take the lead,” he said. The Duma committee head said that in 2014 the politicians with a hard line on Russia were in the lead, and even German Chancellor Angela Merkel “changed her relatively moderate position for a tough one.” “Possibly, 2015 will become a period in which a relatively moderate position will play a more important role in the European Union policy,” he said.

    Hollande in this case has claimed the leadership in the moderate states’ bloc, which from the very beginning were sceptical about the policy of sanctions and certainly today oppose their further tightening,” Pushkov said. The lawmaker named among these countries Austria, Slovakia, Hungary. In recent years, he said, Greece and Italy, as well as Cyprus have joined them. “Hollande in this trio - Germany, Britain, France - has become the first of the top leaders to call for the lifting of the sanctions,” he said.

    Pushkov added that the emphasis should be placed correctly. “If Merkel says: ‘If there is no change in the Russian position, the sanctions will have to be tightened; Hollande says: ‘Progress in the Ukrainian crisis will be made, I believe, so it is necessary to cancel the sanctions,’ that, the emphasis is placed in a different way,” the politician said.

    “Hollande thus emphasises his new role as one of the European leaders who support the transition to a detente in relations between the EU and Russia,” Pushkov said.

    According to the MP, now, after his arrival in Moscow from Astana, after talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin, Hollande “is taking the lead as the initiator of a new dialogue between the EU and Moscow.” “Thus he asserts himself as a relatively independent figure on the European political scene, as well as gives a response to his critics who accuse him of following Angela Merkel,” Pushkov said. “And third, he certainly is increasing the role of France in European affairs.”

    Summing up all the above, Pushkov said, however, that he did not consider Hollande’s statement as a radical one, since the French president conditions the sanctions’ lifting by the Ukrainian crisis settlement progress.

    “This is a change of emphasis, but it stands for much more than just rhetoric,” he said. “This change of emphasis means that at least part of Europe has revised its stance on the crisis it is faced with, reconsidering Ukraine’s prospects and what type of relationship should prevail between the EU and Russia,” said the lawmaker.

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