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    Post  Guest on Thu May 17, 2018 8:15 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:Why is Iran struggling to produce aircraft such as HESA Saeqeh and toophan helicopters? ??
    Lack of parts????? I feel Irans aircraft programmes are just paper planes and no real aviation industry exists. They desperately need new aircraft and nothing seems to be materialising from foreign countries due to sanctions.

    No real know-how, no industry, struggle to keep existing planes fly is hard enough.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri May 18, 2018 6:17 am

    Even the US Navy struggled to keep F-14s operational... it was a generation of fairly unreliable computer hardware... add vibration and extremes of temperatures on board an aircraft and of course you are going to have problems keeping them working properly...

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    Post  yavar on Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:02 pm





    Iran ministry of defence (MOD) mass production line Air to Air missile beyond-visual-range missile (BVR) Fakour / test

    Iran Begins Mass-Production of New Air-to-Air Missile
    TEHRAN (Tasnim) – Iran’s defense minister on Monday inaugurated the mass production line of a homegrown air-to-air missile dubbed Fakour.
    In a ceremony in Tehran, Brigadier General Amir Hatami inaugurated the production line of Fakour, saying it could be mounted on all types of fighter jets.
    Designed and manufactured with the latest technologies, Fakour is a radar-based medium-range missile that can fight off various types of intruding jets, he added.
    The minister highlighted Iran’s military preparedness and defense capabilities, stating that any threat against the country will receive a proportional response.
    http://tn.ai/1783601
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Jul 25, 2018 3:27 pm

    https://en.trend.az/iran/society/2933411.html

    Iran unveils upgraded Sukhoi 22 fighters

    Iran unveiled 10 Sukhoi 22 fighter jets, which were overhauled and upgraded by the Aerospace force of the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC).

    The fighters were unveiled in a ceremony on July 25 during a ceremony attended by IRGC Commander Major General Mohammad Ali Jafari and Commander of the IRGC Aerospace Force Brigadier General Amir Ali Hajizadeh in southern city of Shiraz, Tasnim news agency reported.

    Hajizadeh said that the fighters were grounded for 28 years but they have been equipped with new domestically produced military equipment.

    He added that the upgraded fighters now are capable to carry and launch smart and pin-pointing cluster bombs, air-to-ground and air-to-air missiles.

    The commander said that this fighters also will be able to transmit data from drones from a several-kilometer distance.

    Hajizadeh said that an air-to-ground cruise missile system with a range of 1,500 kilometres also will be installed on Sukhoi 22 jets in the near future.

    Iranian media outlets reported that in recent years, Tehran made great strides in its defense sector and attained self-sufficiency in producing essential military equipment and systems.

    In March 2018, the country’s Air Force experts successfully overhauled a US-made F-4 fighter.

    Earlier in February, Iranian media outlets reported that Islamic Republic experts successfully overhauled US-made F-7 and F-14 fighter jets as well as a PC7 Turbo Trainer.

    In 2015, Iranian Air Force experts reportedly overhauled US-made F-7 and F-14 fighter jets.

    Also in 2014 Iran overhauled grounded F-4 and F-14 fighter jets.
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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:43 pm

    More on the Su-22


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    Resurrected Striker: IRGC Su-22 fighters now equipped with new weapon systems including: Yasin sophisticated precision glide bomb, Simorgh cluster bomb, Bina laser-guided missile, a newly-developed targeting pod, and R-60 infrared homing A2A missile.


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    Post  d_taddei2 on Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:23 pm

    I wonder if this move on the su-22 is because they are struggling to maintain usa made aircraft even they have overhauled a few in the past its possible they can't overhaul fast enough or have all the required parts. As it states these aircraft have been in storage for 28 year's so if they wanted them back in service they could have done so long ago hence there must be a reason also even though it states otherwise I still think they got some help from someone.
    On the plus side it's likely the su-22 will be easier and cheaper to maintain than usa aircraft in service.

    Iran still seems to struggle to produce it's Saeqeh a copy of the F-5.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:54 am

    Or perhaps they have noticed that even an old aircraft like the Su-24 can be an effective weapon in combat with a few specific upgrades that don't make it more expensive to use than a newer aircraft.

    There is no point in upgrading an old aircraft to use brand new expensive weapons when old cheap weapons and a delivery system upgrade can be just as good.

    Perhaps a case of Iran noticing that cheap old Russian planes with relatively cheap avionics upgrades can match western guided weapons performance, but using cheap dumb old bombs...
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:01 am

    GarryB wrote:Or perhaps they have noticed that even an old aircraft like the Su-24 can be an effective weapon in combat with a few specific upgrades that don't make it more expensive to use than a newer aircraft.

    There is no point in upgrading an old aircraft to use brand new expensive weapons when old cheap weapons and a delivery system upgrade can be just as good.

    Perhaps a case of Iran noticing that cheap old Russian planes with relatively cheap avionics upgrades can match western guided weapons performance, but using cheap dumb old bombs...


    I quite agree. Syrian air force is a testament that older aircraft can still be useful and effective. Especially with the type of conflicts the world has been witnessing. Ground attack aircraft don't need to fancy and high tech. Reliable cheap to maintain and having a system that allows delivery of dumb bombs accurately is key and as add on be able to use guided munitions when needed. The high tech aircraft ideally are needed for air interceptor duties so having a mix of both good. Only downside to old aircraft is life of air frame and parts availability. I actually think designing a cheap aircraft that does this role is ideal. Hence I say that an armed version of the yak-130 with maybe a slight upgrade to the engine's would fulfil this role nicely.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:29 am

    Seems the Russians agree too, they took Su-24s to war in Syria to test their new Avionics bombing/navigation suite, and they had Su-34s to test them because they are new, while they also had Tu-22m3 and heavier aircraft for the heavy stuff.

    They used Su-30 and Su-35 and even briefly the Su-57... the former two for actual air protection and the latter for testing.

    Of course it does not need to be that way for Iran... with a good combination they could get away with not needing big expensive modern fighters...

    I would expect a modern AWACS platform that the Russians develop for their new carriers would be a sophisticated useful aircraft, while the real key is payload... ie AAMs... with an AWACS platform you have 360 degree vision, so what you really need is a collection of short, medium, and long range missiles to deal with a range of air threats. RVV-BD on a modified MiG-35 that could carry perhaps four RVV-BD, plus four RVV-SD and perhaps two RVV-MD on a five pylon wing loadout...

    The long and medium range shots taken using AWACS data, while the short range missiles would be used against close combat threats.

    Actually I would probably change that to two RVV-BD, and four RVV-SD and four RVV-MD.
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:47 am

    I quite agree and let's not forget that the russians also deployed su-25 and tu-95 which was its first combat missions lol.

    Problemthat Iran has is the threat it faces I. E Israel who seem to do whatever they want in the middle east. So air defence both ground and air assets are key aircraft for ground attack they already have aircraft that can fulfill that role. Ideally they would replace their aging mig-29 with mig-35 and F-14 with su-30 (at least) along with their S-300 this would likely form a deterrence I also think that mig-31 would also be useful for Iran especially if Russia ever developed an export of the hypersonic dagger missile of course now f-35 they would have to at ways of combating it through the use of radar then guide fighters towards it. But with sanctions in place nothing can happen.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:29 am

    But with sanctions in place nothing can happen.

    I know it sounds silly, but I think the worst case for Iran is if the agreement holds...

    Right now EU companies are pulling out of Iran because they fear getting sanctioned from the much larger more profitable market of the US... so in effect Iran is getting sanctioned but is also limited by the agreement not to develop nuclear weapons.

    The US gets Iran to abide by the agreement it no longer is bound by and can keep its sanctions on Iran, while Iran not developing nukes.

    I would say tear up the old agreement and say the US can impose sanctions on Iran, bur Russia and China can say that Iran kept up their end of the bargain, it was the US and EU that fucked everything up, so we (Russia and China) will not respect any previous sanction imposed on Iran internationally and we will sell them anything they want and trade with them too.

    I think Israel would shit itself and the US would come running back to the table for talks... and Iran can tell them to go screw themselves because it does not trust a word the US says anymore... why would anyone?

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Sat Aug 11, 2018 11:50 am

    GarryB wrote:
    But with sanctions in place nothing can happen.

    I know it sounds silly, but I think the worst case for Iran is if the agreement holds...

    Right now EU companies are pulling out of Iran because they fear getting sanctioned from the much larger more profitable market of the US... so in effect Iran is getting sanctioned but is also limited by the agreement not to develop nuclear weapons.

    The US gets Iran to abide by the agreement it no longer is bound by and can keep its sanctions on Iran, while Iran not developing nukes.

    I would say tear up the old agreement and say the US can impose sanctions on Iran, bur Russia and China can say that Iran kept up their end of the bargain, it was the US and EU that fucked everything up, so we (Russia and China) will not respect any previous sanction imposed on Iran internationally and we will sell them anything they want and trade with them too.

    I think Israel would shit itself and the US would come running back to the table for talks... and Iran can tell them to go screw themselves because it does not trust a word the US says anymore... why would anyone?


    Well said and put but would Iran Russia and China have the balls to do it?
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:15 pm

    The US destroyed all of the F-14 spare parts so Iran has no way to keep those flying. The F-5s are still in use so they can get those on the black market. Anything from the days of the Sha are not combat worthy in these times. Iran needs to place billions of orders from us so they can reconstitute a credible military deterrent.
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    Post  George1 on Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:07 pm

    why not a Russian-Iran deal for lets say 50 MiG-35s??
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    Post  Isos on Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:31 pm

    George1 wrote:why not a Russian-Iran deal for lets say 50 MiG-35s??

    They don't have the money and russia is respecting the international sanctions . They didn't even wanted to sell s-300 which was allowed.

    Iran is more likly to buy su-30 which has longer range for their big country and is a dual seat which is a tradition for iran to buy two seats fighters.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:47 pm

    Isos wrote:
    They don't have the money and russia is respecting the international sanctions . They didn't even wanted to sell s-300 which was allowed.

    Iran is more likly to buy su-30 which has longer range for their big country and is a dual seat which is a tradition for iran to buy two seats fighters.

    The Iran Deal is dead, there is nothing left to respect.
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    Post  Isos on Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:00 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    They don't have the money and russia is respecting the international sanctions . They didn't even wanted to sell s-300 which was allowed.

    Iran is more likly to buy su-30 which has longer range for their big country and is a dual seat which is a tradition for iran to buy two seats fighters.

    The Iran Deal is dead, there is nothing left to respect.  

    Yes now that Trump decided that. But before russians respected the deals made by the 5+1 group.

    Now even europeans have sold some 30 planes last week to them. Russia should give to Iran anything they need, not only military equipment.


    They could also buy firectly to russian airforce mig-29 Smt as they already fly mig-29 from Iraq air force.
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:04 am

    Not going to hold my breath that we will see this in proper production more likely this will be a one off model nothing more. More money wasted on what's likely going to be a copy of a current aircraft they already have most likely a usa aircraft. But let's wait and see.


    https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article/iran-will-unveil-new-domestically-made-fighter-jet-mod/
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:13 am

    Iran if it could ideally needs to get su-30 and su-34 upgrade it's su-25 & su-24 either upgrade it's mig-29 to smt or buy new smt or mig-35. They can then get rid of mirage, F-14, F-4. Then keep the j-7, su-22, as for the F-5 if they can upgrade it like they did with their homegrown version it could still be capable or replace it with mig-35. Their homegrown cobra helicopter production seems dead they could just opt for a mix of mi-35, mi-28, and get rights to produce the Ansat 2RC all these along with their UCAV should produce a capable force. Problem sanctions and money. But Iran needs to stop wasting cash on silly one off production models instead save the cash and if there is a chance to buy from another country they then have the cash to buy.
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    Post  yavar on Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:45 pm

    Iran made Kowsar Fighter Jet 4th gen avionics ایران ساخت جنگنده اویونیک نسل چهار کوثر

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    Post  yavar on Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:46 pm

    JohninMK wrote:More on the Su-22


    Iran Military
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    Resurrected Striker: IRGC Su-22 fighters now equipped with new weapon systems including: Yasin sophisticated precision glide bomb, Simorgh cluster bomb, Bina laser-guided missile, a newly-developed targeting pod, and R-60 infrared homing A2A missile.


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    Post  George1 on Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:21 pm

    @yavar can you give us iranian fighters numbers in service by type?
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    Post  yavar on Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:43 pm

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    Post  yavar on Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:44 pm

    George1 wrote:@yavar can you give us iranian fighters numbers in service by type?
    sorry, too busy, never get the time,
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:16 pm

    yavar wrote:Iran made Kowsar Fighter Jet 4th gen avionics ایران ساخت جنگنده اویونیک نسل چهار کوثر


    Another F-5 copy??? They have done two already and even then only a handful of each this will likely be the same situation. Complete waste of money and time.

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