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    Re: US-Turkish Military relations

    Post  flamming_python on Sun Nov 15, 2015 12:27 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    nemrod wrote:
    zenmonk wrote:...Which means the real adversary is Russia.....what are the options available for Russia to counter this move? Will they use their S 3oo/.4oo or Will they scramble the Su 30 sm deployed there ?

    Nope. US have no intentions to fight russian fighters. Since mid September, all NATO communications from Incirilik, and Adana are completely jammed, and disabled. Russian fighters used fly above turkish's sky. All NATO hardwares are completely ineffective, including AWACS, Elint, F-22, etc.... The deployment of F-15 C is a political aim, it is a message to all NATO allies that are now more and more realizing that US lost electronic warfare. The message to US allies "do not worry we are sending our state of the art". Nevertheless, I don't see what could do F-15 C, as they could not use their air to air missiles. F-15 could down the SU-30 if F-15 outnumber the SU-30. In this case it is the case. But Russia has many other assets and could easily overrun  US aircrafts. Russia does not need S-300, or S-400 to down US aircrafts, as they won electronic warfare.

    Out of curiosity, how do you know this?

    Because he himself made it up.

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    Post  sepheronx on Sun Nov 15, 2015 12:29 am

    I think he is basing off of Aurbornwolfs accounts of issues with NATO radar.
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    Post  George1 on Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:05 am

    What’s Behind Washington Pulling 12 Fighter Jets From Turkish Base?

    In the latest sign of Turkey’s increasing isolation, the United States has announced plans to remove 12 fighter jets from Incirlik air base.

    According to Reuters, a spokesman with the US military’s European Command has confirmed that the US will withdraw 12 F-15 Eagles and Strike Eagle fighters from Turkey. The spokesman said that the aircraft had completed temporary deployment, despite having only been moved to Incirlik air base one month ago.

    According to a news release, the aircraft will be returning to RAF Lakenheath in the United Kingdom, beginning December 16.

    Earlier this year, both the US and Germany also withdrew surface-to-air missile batteries stationed along the Turkey-Syria border.

    The sudden withdrawal is surprising given that the Pentagon had previously encouraged European allies to use Incirlik as a staging platform for the anti-terror campaign.

    "We are in an active conversation with many of our European partners about the potential for them to relocate and to join us on the ground in Incirlik," Gen. John Allen told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in October.

    The announcement comes as Turkey faces international condemnation over the downing of Russian bomber in Syrian airspace last month. The incident left two Russian soldiers dead.

    "I was immediately concerned that NATO might buy into the insanity being demonstrated by Turkey," former CIA and US State Department official Larry Johnson told Sputnik. "Fortunately, the reports coming out of the NATO meeting indicate that several of the NATO ministers were asking Turkey: 'What in God’s name were you thinking?'"

    Turkey is also under fire for its decision to deploy hundreds of troops and tanks into northern Iraq, a move the Iraqi government views as a breach of its own sovereignty.

    "The government is committed to maintain good neighborly relations, but at the same time reiterates its right to take measures to protect national sovereignty," the Iraqi government said in a statement.

    Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi gave Ankara 48 hours to remove its troops, but Turkey has failed to comply. The United Nations Security Council is currently reviewing a formal complaint lodged by Baghdad.

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    Post  Airman on Mon Nov 07, 2016 5:00 pm

    Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Joseph Dunford visited Chief of the General Staff General Hulusi Akar.


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    Post  Airman on Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:14 am

    Erdogan Plays Down US Concerns Over Turkey's Talks With Russia on S-400

    ANKARA (Sputnik) — On Sunday, Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff Joseph Dunford said that Turkey's possible purchase of the S-400 air defense system from Russia could be a cause for concern in Washington.

    "Why should this be a concern? Each country should take certain measures to ensure its security. Which side can ensure these measures, there the steps are taken. How many times have we talked with America, but it did not work out, so like it or not, we began to make plans about the S-400. Our interested departments are negotiating, and this step will be taken," Erdogan said at a press conference in Ankara.

    The S-400 Triumph is Russia's next-generation mobile surface-to-air missile system carrying three different types of missiles capable of destroying aerial targets at a short-to-extremely-long range. It integrates a multifunctional radar, autonomous detection and targeting systems, anti-aircraft missile systems, launchers, and a command and control center.

    On July 18, the head of Russia's Rostec state corporation Sergei Chemezov said technical issues of the contract for the supply of the S-400 systems to Turkey had been resolved, with only administrative ones remaining.

    As of now, Russia has concluded a contract for the delivery of the S-400 systems with China alone. Negotiations are also being conducted with India.

    Erdogan Plays Down US Concerns Over Turkey's Talks With Russia on S-400 - Sputnik International

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    Re: US-Turkish Military relations

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:38 am

    Interesting post Max (number 28).

    Can you give a reference for that quote... I find it especially amusing they suggest a Sidewinder only armed F-16A would be at an advantage against a BVR armed MiG-23 with R-24 missiles.

    Certainly the R-60 is not sidewinder equivalent, but R-24 missiles in SARH and IR guided models is easily better than Sidewinder in terms of range.

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