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    The Kuznetsov's journey home from Syria 2017

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:51 pm

    The K's thread is now locked. Please keep this to news of the journey.

    If her position on the journey home can be tracked via her tug the Nikolay Chiker, which accompanied her southbound, she is currently to the west of Cyprus heading West down the centre of the Med at about 10 knots.
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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  George1 on Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:42 pm

    i deleted the comments that personal discussion continued. New page starts with JohninMK post. Please stay all on topic and dont make the thread site for personal conflicts again


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    Post  TheArmenian on Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:02 pm

    Thanks George1 and JohninMK.


    In the meanwhile, from RT Arabic, The Chief of Staff of the Syrian Arab Army has visited the Kuznetsov and the Peter The Great:






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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:09 pm

    Bugger, definitely wrong about the side trip. Already off Libya.

    Libyan National Army Commander Marshal Khalifa Belqasim Haftar visited Russia's Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier to discuss anti-terrorism fight.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Libyan National Army Commander Marshal Khalifa Belqasim Haftar on Wednesday visited the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier, and discussed, during a video conference with Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, the fight against terrorism in the Middle East, the Russian Defense Ministry said in a statement.

    "On January 11, 2017, Commander of the Libyan National Army Marshal Khalifa Belqasim Haftar paid a visit to the heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov, traveling to its home base as part of the Northern Fleet's air carrier group," the statement said. "After a brief tour of the ship, Marshal Khalifa Haftar held a video conference with Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu to discuss urgent issues of the fight against international terrorist groups in the Middle East," it said.

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/201701111049485791-haftar-libya-kuznetsov-russia/
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    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:46 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Bugger, definitely wrong about the side trip. Already off Libya.

    Libyan National Army Commander Marshal Khalifa Belqasim Haftar visited Russia's Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier to discuss anti-terrorism fight.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Libyan National Army Commander Marshal Khalifa Belqasim Haftar on Wednesday visited the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier, and discussed, during a video conference with Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, the fight against terrorism in the Middle East, the Russian Defense Ministry said in a statement.

    "On January 11, 2017, Commander of the Libyan National Army Marshal Khalifa Belqasim Haftar paid a visit to the heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov, traveling to its home base as part of the Northern Fleet's air carrier group," the statement said. "After a brief tour of the ship, Marshal Khalifa Haftar held a video conference with Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu to discuss urgent issues of the fight against international terrorist groups in the Middle East," it said.

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/201701111049485791-haftar-libya-kuznetsov-russia/



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    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:01 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Bugger, definitely wrong about the side trip. Already off Libya.

    Libyan National Army Commander Marshal Khalifa Belqasim Haftar visited Russia's Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier to discuss anti-terrorism fight.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Libyan National Army Commander Marshal Khalifa Belqasim Haftar on Wednesday visited the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier, and discussed, during a video conference with Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, the fight against terrorism in the Middle East, the Russian Defense Ministry said in a statement.

    "On January 11, 2017, Commander of the Libyan National Army Marshal Khalifa Belqasim Haftar paid a visit to the heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov, traveling to its home base as part of the Northern Fleet's air carrier group," the statement said. "After a brief tour of the ship, Marshal Khalifa Haftar held a video conference with Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu to discuss urgent issues of the fight against international terrorist groups in the Middle East," it said.

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/201701111049485791-haftar-libya-kuznetsov-russia/


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    Post  medo on Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:22 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Bugger, definitely wrong about the side trip. Already off Libya.

    Libyan National Army Commander Marshal Khalifa Belqasim Haftar visited Russia's Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier to discuss anti-terrorism fight.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Libyan National Army Commander Marshal Khalifa Belqasim Haftar on Wednesday visited the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier, and discussed, during a video conference with Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, the fight against terrorism in the Middle East, the Russian Defense Ministry said in a statement.

    "On January 11, 2017, Commander of the Libyan National Army Marshal Khalifa Belqasim Haftar paid a visit to the heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov, traveling to its home base as part of the Northern Fleet's air carrier group," the statement said. "After a brief tour of the ship, Marshal Khalifa Haftar held a video conference with Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu to discuss urgent issues of the fight against international terrorist groups in the Middle East," it said.

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/201701111049485791-haftar-libya-kuznetsov-russia/


    I wonder if Kuznetsov will now bomb terrorists in Libya to support Haftar?
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    Post  hoom on Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:30 am

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    Post  Pamir 1000 on Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:55 pm

    Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy I found some interesting information: comparison of incidents on the Russian aircraft carrier with the American carriers "Incidents by aircraft carrier “Admiral Kuznetsov”"
    rusmasmedia com/2016/12/07/incidents-by-aircraft-carrier-admiral-kuznetsov/
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    Post  Militarov on Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:13 pm

    Pamir 1000 wrote:Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy I found some interesting information: comparison of incidents on the Russian aircraft carrier with the American carriers "Incidents by aircraft carrier “Admiral Kuznetsov”"
    rusmasmedia com/2016/12/07/incidents-by-aircraft-carrier-admiral-kuznetsov/

    As article itself says, USN has 10-12 ships of the class each carrying few times more aircraft than Kuz and they fly on more than regular basis. Its simple math.

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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:42 pm

    From the location of the Nikolay Chicker it looks as if the Kuznetsov is currently north of Tunisia heading west at about 10 knots.

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    Post  Pamir 1000 on Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:40 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Pamir 1000 wrote:Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy I found some interesting information: comparison of incidents on the Russian aircraft carrier with the American carriers "Incidents by aircraft carrier “Admiral Kuznetsov”"
    rusmasmedia com/2016/12/07/incidents-by-aircraft-carrier-admiral-kuznetsov/

    As article itself says, USN has 10-12 ships of the class each carrying few times more aircraft than Kuz and they fly on more than regular basis. Its simple math.

    Yes, it's true. Do not deny it. But on the other hand only in combat Russian can gain experience. And while the experience was a positive one, given the problems which were experienced Russian Navy. Isn't it?
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:02 am

    As article itself says, USN has 10-12 ships of the class each carrying few times more aircraft than Kuz and they fly on more than regular basis. Its simple math.

    No... actually it is not simple math.

    If you are making the claim that the Russians don't know what they are doing and are incompetent and their equipment is inferior then they should have rather more incidents and accidents even with rather fewer carriers and aircraft.

    Maths would only apply if they were otherwise the same with more accidents for the larger user.


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    Post  Militarov on Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:27 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    As article itself says, USN has 10-12 ships of the class each carrying few times more aircraft than Kuz and they fly on more than regular basis. Its simple math.

    No... actually it is not simple math.

    If you are making the claim that the Russians don't know what they are doing and are incompetent and their equipment is inferior then they should have rather more incidents and accidents even with rather fewer carriers and aircraft.

    Maths would only apply if they were otherwise the same with more accidents for the larger user.

    Mmm... that would be very unusual math.

    If you have lets say 10 carriers (lets presume all are deployed for sake of math), each having 50 aircraft (lets say 50 on average for ease of math), and each flying 200h a year (they fly more but again for ease of the math). That is acummulated 10*50*200 flying hours a year, which is 100.000. And lets say that average flight takes 1h, that is 100.000 takeoffs and landing, and they last year had i belive 3 accidents regarding carriers themself, two F-18s crashed into eachother and Osprey misslanded. Considering how much USN is flying, they barely have any accidents. Now if you want to bring other stuff like flying hours those borts already acummulated, and many are nearing 10.000 flying hours math becomes even more interesting.

    Do i need to do math for Russians?

    Yes, there were major incidents on carriers 40+ years ago. Warload everywhere on the deck, open magazine doors, two way valves on refueling hoses and what not. Things changed from back then dramatically.

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    Post  Pamir 1000 on Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:39 pm

    And yet it is not correct to compare Russian and Americans. They have different equipment and different experience of its application. How can you not consider objectively assess not happen. The only objective fact is that they have this technique and can use it

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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:19 pm

    Pamir 1000 wrote:And yet it is not correct to compare Russian and Americans. They have different equipment and different experience of its application. How can you not consider objectively assess not happen. The only objective fact is that they have this technique and can use it
    Agree and different objectives for the carriers.

    In terms of numbers a comparison with the British or French might be more valid.
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    Post  Singular_Transform on Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:49 pm

    Militarov wrote:

    Mmm... that would be very unusual math.

    If you have lets say 10 carriers (lets presume all are deployed for sake of math), each having 50 aircraft (lets say 50 on average for ease of math), and each flying 200h a year (they fly more but again for ease of the math). That is acummulated 10*50*200 flying hours a year, which is 100.000. And lets say that average flight takes 1h, that is 100.000 takeoffs and landing, and they last year had i belive 3 accidents regarding carriers themself, two F-18s crashed into eachother and Osprey misslanded. Considering how much USN is flying, they barely have any accidents. Now if you want to bring other stuff like flying hours those borts already acummulated, and many are nearing 10.000 flying hours math becomes even more interesting.

    Do i need to do math for Russians?

    Yes, there were major incidents on carriers 40+ years ago. Warload everywhere on the deck, open magazine doors, two way valves on refueling hoses and what not. Things changed from back then dramatically.

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:51 am

    The US Navy has had plenty of accidents and continues to do so... from US Navy aircraft cutting cables on gondolas and killing civilians because some navy pilot was having fun flying in the mountains to Japanese fishermen being killed by US Navy subs surfacing underneath them... the fact that they are a big organisation with a long history changes nothing.

    And yet it is not correct to compare Russian and Americans.

    What are you talking about... of course the Russian Navy should be perfect with all their experience with carriers and invasion fleets from WWII and onwards why not compare them with the puny US Navy who simply copied all its best systems and procedures from the British Royal Navy...

    Every Russian naval officer should be shot because ISIS does not have modern state of the art air defences so clearly the deployment of the Russian Navy to Syria was a big con to defraud the russian taxpayer... they got no experience worth a damn and should have been at home doing simulations which would have been much more useful for them.

    Yes. The Russian navy is crap and they should just curl up in a ball and just wish they were a fraction of the special that every lowly US sailor is.

    Why just denigrate the Russian Navy with its accident rate... can't we do the normal American measure... body count... surely the American record for kills stands for itself and no country on the planet could ever come any where near.


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    Post  Pamir 1000 on Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:02 pm



    What are you talking about... of course the Russian Navy should be perfect with all their experience with carriers and invasion

    I Russian Navy not praised. I just said that's what he does. In Yugoslavia there was a strong air defense when they were bombed by the Americans and NATO all of all weapons?



    Every Russian naval officer should be shot because ISIS does not have modern state of the art air defences


    I do not understand? You sympathize with terrorists? You wish that they had modern weapons and strong air defense?

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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:26 am

    Pamir 1000 wrote:


    What are you talking about... of course the Russian Navy should be perfect with all their experience with carriers and invasion

    I Russian Navy not praised. I just said that's what he does. In Yugoslavia there was a strong air defense when they were bombed by the Americans and NATO all of all weapons?



    Every Russian naval officer should be shot because ISIS does not have modern state of the art air defences


    I do not understand? You sympathize with terrorists? You wish that they had modern weapons and strong air defense?

    Think you might need to understand how sarcasm is used in English. It rarely has /sarc at the end.

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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:11 pm

    The fleet is now between Morocco and Spain, heading for Gibraltar and the Atlantic.

    Shadowed by a USN P-8A out of Rota.

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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:56 pm

    The tug is now in a holding pattern in the Atlantic off southern Portugal. Hope there is no breakdown.
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    Post  hoom on Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:05 pm

    Passing through Pillars of Hercules http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2386960.html

    So much smoke...

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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:10 pm

    hoom wrote:Passing through Pillars of Hercules http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2386960.html

    So much smoke...
    Isn't that smoke actually Morocco in the background? Not much coming out of her funnel.
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    Post  hoom on Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:48 pm

    Exactly, no smoke.

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