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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  Werewolf on Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:26 pm

    The KA-52 will be very vulnerable for naval operations.. Any pirate with a fishing boat could pull a manpad and blow the aligator in pieces when they facing another direction. wrote:
    Haha, missed i something? Are there now pimp pirates with lot of money for a MANPAD?
    You know why this somali pirates are pirating? Because they are living in a shithole, without any jobs that bring money to feed their people and you want now to tell us they can still buy a MANPAD for someone that makes average 10$ per month?

    They are too slow and easy targets for man pads with lazer guidance. Too slow to cover long distance fast , wrote:
    Ka-52's today are the safest Attack helicopters, they have the current most effecient protection against any MANPAD. The only solution for today's IIR-seeking MANPADs SAM's are DIRCM's since IIR-seeker can filter between countermeasures like Flares and the actual aircraft.

    The mistrals with Ka-52s will not become a deterrent to anyone other than pirates ,because any decent combat plane can detect the Ka-52 and shut it down from very large distances . helicopters were never intended to 1 vs 1 combat jets wrote:
    Attack Helicopters of current generations may not be designed like true air-to-air kings but even the Mi-25 the downgraded Mi-24D was able to shoot down jet fighters and it was never intented or built with Air-to-air engagement with its usual ATGM's nor any supporting electronic for any weapon.
    Since 1988 all russian Attack Helicopters are designed to have air-to-air engagement capabilities since the Cessna could land on the red square in 1987.

    The weapons computer and managing systemes are today on every AH in russia have supporting electronics for effecient air engagements.
    Since Ka-50/N they have image processing and semi-auto lockon capability, which is especially important in air engagements with the cannon on closer ranges. ATGM's of all Shturm,Ataka,Vikhr or any coming ATGM are capable of destroying any aircraft with specific flight speed and maneuverability, which so no problem for aircrafts in most of the time they are still flying on relative low altitudes and low speeds.

    To buy their cooperation with them. And Helicopters like Ka-52 its place belong to the army ,for close combat support to infantry. wrote:
    Close combat support to infantry? You mean infantry that is swimming in the open ocean?

    On the damn sea there is no obstacles no visual distrection to the bare eyes, a small target like a simple boat will be spot with bare eyes on distances that are far beyond any reach of such targets to get anywhere near to be counted as a threat. Ka-52 can shoot 12km with ATGM not counting newer Vikhr-M 15km.

    The only thing that will die like flies are simple targets as boats without proper SAM capability, especially when Ka-52 has AESA radar with higher distance than 12-20km with the current for boat sized targets.



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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  Vann7 on Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:53 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    Haha, missed i something? Are there now pimp pirates with lot of money for a MANPAD?
    You know why this somali pirates are pirating? Because they are living in a shithole, without any jobs that bring money to feed their people and you want now to tell us they can still buy a MANPAD for someone that makes average 10$ per month?
    yes your missing a lot dude is not even fun. Seems you never have heard about the war in Syria ,and how Saudi Arabia supply weapons to terrorist including manpads . And somali pirates make millions kidnapping ships.. but thats up to you to investigate. Is not the lack of food or job why pirates exist but because is a very profitable business.



    Ka-52's today are the safest Attack helicopters, they have the current most effecient protection against any MANPAD. The only solution for today's IIR-seeking MANPADs SAM's are DIRCM's since IIR-seeker can filter between countermeasures like Flares and the actual aircraft.
    They could be the safest helicopters in the world ,still is irrelevant , they will not be able to operate in places where many fishing boats are.. every little boat could be a major threat to them ,and they will not know if they are terrorist or not until they have a missile chasing them.


    Attack Helicopters of current generations may not be designed like true air-to-air kings but even the Mi-25 the downgraded Mi-24D was able to shoot down jet fighters and it was never intented or built with Air-to-air engagement with its usual ATGM's nor any supporting electronic for any weapon. Since 1988 all russian Attack Helicopters are designed to have air-to-air engagement capabilities since the Cessna could land on the red square in 1987. The weapons computer and managing systemes are today on every AH in russia have supporting electronics for effecient air engagements.Since Ka-50/N they have image processing and semi-auto lockon capability, which is especially important in air engagements with the cannon on closer ranges.
    Good luck on using your Ka-52 to defeat F-35's ,F-16 ,F-15s ,Eurofigters ,Rafales or Japanesse combat jets..
    Again helicopters weather Ka-52 or apache longbow ,will be at serious disadvantage versus any combat jet.. PERIOD.


    ATGM's of all Shturm,Ataka,Vikhr or any coming ATGM are capable of destroying any aircraft with specific flight speed and maneuverability, which so no problem for aircrafts in most of the time they are still flying on relative low altitudes and low speeds.
    dito.. i never heard of a combat jet being shut down by a 7km short range guided rocket.. have you?
    Combat planes can shut down any helicopter from 100 to 160km distance. In Beyond Visual range and almost any distance
    the helicopter will lose very badly to a combat plane.. not even fun.



    Close combat support to infantry? You mean infantry that is swimming in the open ocean?
    No i mean attack helicopters role is to support Ground Infantry. both complement each other.. Similar to tanks combined with Infantry.
    In the sea there is nothing of support for any helicopter used for attack missions. will be alone. So on the damn sea you talk ,he will be at Major disadvantage because will NOT have any support will be alone ,and any fishing boat could have a terrorist with a manpad or even a Grenade launcher and destroy it .  What you totally ignores.. is the KA-52 will have to fly near legal civilians fishing boats many times. So they cannot shoot on every dam boat they notice on the sea ,just because is there,unless they know there is something illegal inside or are terrorist inside..and how will they know? they will not know..To know what is inside a boat you need to board it and inspect it. If they terrorist they will wait the right time a Ka-52 is close to shut it down..even with a rocket grenade can do it. that will cut like butter then Ka-52 windshield and kill the pilots.

    To defend its territory in the pacific Russia Mistral + Ka52 will have to face Japan destroyers + combat planes.
    So for sure Russia will need to also use Destroyers to help protect the mistrals.. So makes null the point of having a mistral
    after all. Anyway im not convinced why they needed.  Everyone is free to have its own opinions. i still think ,saving the money for more destroyers ,that the ones they already had planned or for a new brand new stealth Cruiser will be much more deterrence than a mistral with KA-52s.

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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  runaway on Tue Nov 05, 2013 2:15 pm

    I think the Mistrals will be great for russian navy. Its a land assault ship which will be useful with KA52 as airsupport in LAND combat. In a naval engagement neither the ship or choppers will be offensive, they are valueble assets that will be protected by escorts and possible aircraft carriers.
    And no, no Helos will be of any match for fixed wing aircraft in a air-air battle, but against other Helos you must have AA capacity.
    It will carry KA27 that will be useful in humanitarian missions as well, not only troop transport.
    The Mistrals will be highly more useful than Ivan gren class, and can be used for peace enforcing mission without much escort. Great for Putin to use for showing the flag, enforce russian interests etc.

    With Mistrals the russian navy marines will become a offensive weapon, not just defensive.
    Hope they go for 4, one ot two based in BSF to be stationed in middle east would be very nice. And with 4, two would always be availeble, when others are in for overhaul.

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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:32 pm

    yes your missing a lot dude is not even fun. Seems you never have heard about the war in Syria ,and how Saudi Arabia supply weapons to terrorist including manpads . And somali pirates make millions kidnapping ships.. but thats up to you to investigate. Is not the lack of food or job why pirates exist but because is a very profitable business. wrote:
    Good joke, they make no profit, the success for getting randsom is almost zero and you really believe they after risking their lifes and making maybe little bit money, which they did to feed their people, you really think they will find in Somalia a high quality MANPAD seller? The Kill ratio of Stingers in Afghanistan was 2.19%. MANPADS will never be a threat for naval based helicopters since they will not even come into range to see this helicopters.

    They could be the safest helicopters in the world ,still is irrelevant , they will not be able to operate in places where many fishing boats are.. every little boat could be a major threat to them ,and they will not know if they are terrorist or not until they have a missile chasing them. wrote:
    Fishing boats you can repeat it as much as you want that doesn't make a stupid fishing boat a super duper advancd threat especially to aircrafts. You literally show how less you know about anti-pirate missions. They are NEVER performed by aircrafts, someone has to go on board to check if they hiding weapons, helicopter are giving air support in case. You are completley deluded if you think a Ka-52 will hover above a fishing boat and than open their doors to ask them if they are really fishers and not pirates....you seriously haven't thaught out your staff.
    Invalid argument.

    Good luck on using your Ka-52 to defeat F-35's ,F-16 ,F-15s ,Eurofigters ,Rafales or Japanesse combat jets.. Again helicopters weather Ka-52 or apache longbow ,will be at serious disadvantage versus any combat jet.. PERIOD. wrote:
    F-35 good joke someday when it comes into active service and functioning there will be already 5th generation attack helicopters and they are designed to deal with any threat on battlefield.
    F-16 and F-15 good joke again which Navy has them? Ka-52 can carry R-73 40km+ range, Jets will not engage in BVR from hundred km that is utterlly nonsense. Launches from BVR are so unreliable pilots are trying to give as less information about their precense as possible to get in a range where a high hit propability is given and in that range it will have enough countermeasure capability to be a threat to any aircraft. Jets were taken out before by downgraded export models for again such nonsense western philosophy like WVR jets of F-4, we saw that is bullshit, WVR is not an option.

    dito.. i never heard of a combat jet being shut down by a 7km short range guided rocket.. have you? Combat planes can shut down any helicopter from 100 to 160km distance. In Beyond Visual range and almost any distance the helicopter will lose very badly to a combat plane.. not even fun. wrote:
    Sure Ka-52K will fly without any Air-to-air missiles. First of all, Not one single russian ATGM has only 7km but 8km and that is only the Shturm which will not be used on Ka-52, Vikhr has 11.5km minimum or 15km, but that all is besides the point. It will be equiped with R-73 and KH-25 for anti-ship capabilities, Vikhr will be minimum untill Germes-A comes into service.

    Rest see above answer.

    To defend its territory in the pacific Russia Mistral + Ka52 will have to face Japan destroyers + combat planes. wrote:
    You seriously must have some mental issues.
    Not even the god damn USA empire will ever dare to attack russian navy, get the mess in your head straight before commenting such suicide nonsense.

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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 06, 2013 12:51 am

    The KA-52 will be very vulnerable for naval operations.. Any pirate with a fishing boat could pull a manpad and blow
    the aligator in pieces when they facing another direction. They are too slow and easy targets for man pads with lazer guidance.
    Helicopters are not super fast but boats are even slower... so the chance of pirates getting on the tail of a Ka-52 means the Ka-52 has done something wrong.

    The optics and sensors on the Ka-52 mean it will detect the pirates at much greater ranges than the pirates could ever hope to detect the helo... and more importantly the Ka-52 will be armed with weapons that will allow it to engage the pirates at distances where the pirates quite frankly wont know what hit them.

    Incoming missiles can be defeated with the small DIRCM that can be seen on the Ka-52 mounted near the main undercarriage... they contain laser dazzlers to defeat optically guided missile systems.

    Too slow to cover long distance fast ,
    300km/h+ is faster than any boat.

    too small for humanitarian use.. can only carry 2 passenger or perhaps 3.. The mistral is too expensive for an humanitarian ship,
    It would not be used as a transport... they already have Ka-29 and Ka-226T and Ka-64 helos as transports.

    Mistral is a helicopter carrier that will have a range of uses... humanitarian aid will be one of those uses... showing the flag and providing medical services to outlying regions like Pacific islands or poorer asian countries would be far more valuable to Russian interests in the region than any supercarrier weapon of war.

    The Mistrals are paid for so the more uses you get out of them the easier it is to justify their expense.

    for mas evacuation you could simply develop a civilian ship that will be far cheaper. you all can say what you want but even
    others Top ranked Russian generals/ministers have complained about how useless are this mistral for Russia.
    For mass evacuation having 16 heavy transport helos and a 100 bed state of the art equipped hospital would be incredibly useful... a few cruise liners can carry more people more efficiently but the Mistrals helos will get them from where ever they are to the cruise ships rather faster and rather safer than buses and the Ka-52Ks will ensure none of the local armed factions try to interfere with the evacuation.

    Many top ranked Russian officials lack imagination, or would prefer the Mistral to be a Russian designed and built ship... I would like that too of course but it would mean the first ship would enter service in 2022 at the earliest and there is no guarantee it would be any good.
    Mistral is a proven design adapted to Russian needs and will be ready next year!

    What is even more questionable is they buying 2-4..
    Makes no sense to just have one... what if it is in repair when it is needed? All that expense and you can't use it.

    2 Make sense if you just want them in the Pacific Fleet... if you want to defend the Arctic territory then 4 make sense.

    The mistrals with Ka-52s will not become
    a deterrent to anyone other than pirates ,because any decent combat plane can detect the Ka-52 and shut it down from very large
    distances . helicopters were never intended to 1 vs 1 combat jets ,even if they can do it.In my opinion they buying the
    mistrals only to lure France away of Syria.
    You seem to be a little confused... these Mistrals are not to replace the Kuznetsov, they are to replace the old Ivan Rogov landing ships. They are not intended to take on enemy carrier groups.

    And Helicopters like Ka-52 its place belong
    to the army ,for close combat support to infantry. If they ever used in the sea close to insurgents they will be fall like flies
    from the air. Contrary to Ground fights in Urban zones ,in close combat support to infrantry ,In the open sea there is nothing blocking the view of anyone with a manpad. and the will be no infantry protecting it ,they will be alone vs terrorist. and they will be will be an easy prey to any combat plane. THey werent designed for air superiority but for close ground support.
    They will be used to support Russian Naval Infantry landing operations by providing direct air support the same way Army Aviation Havocs and Hokums will support Army ground units.

    The "the enemy ground forces can spot helos from great distances and shoot them down" argument doesn't work because in the big flat ocean the AESA radar of the Ka-52K will detect even small row boats at 20km or more... it is those on the sea surface that will have no where to hide... in fact at sea the Kamov will actually be safer than over land as there is no cover or protection... they can't dig in.

    For humanitarian missions again wrong helicopter. for that a transport helicopter like mi-8 will be far more useful.
    An unarmed Ka-52K could use its advanced detection sensors and equipment to find people in distress and containers on its weapon pylons could be used to drop inflatable boats in case of flooding or emergency shelters and survival equipment... it could even use its power and a belly mounted grappling hook to pull a capsized yacht upright... who knows?

    ith the money they will spend in mistrals they could also modernize but also expand
    their ship buildings facilities that they seriously need.
    They are spending money on expanding their boat building capacity and they are also increasing orders so that new capacity is used.

    Since 1988 all russian Attack Helicopters are designed to have air-to-air engagement capabilities since the Cessna could land on the red square in 1987.
    Not really true. When the Mig-23s sent by the PVO to investigate found it was a civilian cessna they handed the "interception" duty to the nearest air unit, which was an Army Aviation unit. They sometimes are sent to intercept balloons too, but without radar they had trouble tracking down Rusts plane and he landed before they could find him and force him to a nearby airfield.

    The Ka-52K on the other hand will have AESA radar and the capacity to carry modern AAMs like R-73 and R-77 which would make them rather better equipped than any other helicopter in history to deal with enemy aircraft.

    Lack of speed and short range would still be an issue of course.

    yes your missing a lot dude is not even fun. Seems you never have heard about the war in Syria ,and how Saudi Arabia supply weapons to terrorist including manpads . And somali pirates make millions kidnapping ships.. but thats up to you to investigate. Is not the lack of food or job why pirates exist but because is a very profitable business.
    Even if every pirate had a MANPAD the DIRCMs on the Ka-52K and its standoff weapons would still mean my money would be on the helo.

    They could be the safest helicopters in the world ,still is irrelevant , they will not be able to operate in places where many fishing boats are.. every little boat could be a major threat to them ,and they will not know if they are terrorist or not until they have a missile chasing them.
    Just follow the smoke trails from the MANPADS back to the boats and destroy them. DIRCMs will defeat the missiles incoming.

    Good luck on using your Ka-52 to defeat F-35's ,F-16 ,F-15s ,Eurofigters ,Rafales or Japanesse combat jets..
    Of course the Ka-52 can defeat all of those... don't forget to include B-2, F-22, and SR-73... the replacement for the SR-72 which isn't in service yet.

    If your objection to the Mistral is that it is not a replacement for the Kuznetsov then your objection is pointless... the US Marines should retire all their useless Tarawa class carriers too because they are inferior to the new US fixed wing carriers.

    Again helicopters weather Ka-52 or apache longbow ,will be at serious disadvantage versus any combat jet.. PERIOD.
    And that is why they are putting them on Mistral class helicopter landing vessels and not replacing Mig-29Ks on the Kuznetsov with them... Rolling Eyes 

    Combat planes can shut down any helicopter from 100 to 160km distance. In Beyond Visual range and almost any distance
    the helicopter will lose very badly to a combat plane.. not even fun.
    When.

    In the sea there is nothing of support for any helicopter used for attack missions. will be alone.
    What do you think the Kuznetsov will be doing?

    If the enemy has air power the Russians are hardly likely to send a Mistral class helicopter carrier in without fixed wing air support.

    If it is an anti piracy operation there is no reason for a Ka-52K to get within 3km of a fishing vessel that is about to be boarded... and funny business and Vikhr will cover the 3km twice as fast as an RPG-7 grenade except the Vikhr can kill at 10km while the RPG self destructs at 900m.

    To defend its territory in the pacific Russia Mistral + Ka52 will have to face Japan destroyers + combat planes.
    With the support of land based Su-35s and PAK FA...

    So for sure Russia will need to also use Destroyers to help protect the mistrals.. So makes null the point of having a mistral
    after all.
    If you are landing ground forces having a helicopter carrier means you can land troops and vehicle 100 times faster... and it is the period when the troops are landing that they are at their most vulnerable... helos landing them moves them much faster and safer than zodiacs and Ka-52s offering fire support means enemy troops will be keeping their heads down rather than firing back.

    Enemy aircraft will be dealt with via air support... not helos.

    Anyway im not convinced why they needed. Everyone is free to have its own opinions. i still think ,saving the money for more destroyers ,that the ones they already had planned or for a new brand new stealth Cruiser will be much more deterrence than a mistral with KA-52s.
    The money saved not getting Mistrals would not buy that many new other ships and more importantly the new ships it would buy would not enter service for another 5-10 years anyway.


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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  TR1 on Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:31 am

    http://www.balancer.ru/forum/punbb/attachment.php?item=359073&download=2&type=.jpg

    WHat a pretty pic of Kuzya.

    Come to think of it, if this planned modernization does actually happen ( I would rather see that than new carriers in the near future) then the empty phased array banks can finally be filled by Poliment.

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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Thu Nov 14, 2013 3:13 pm

    TR1 wrote:http://www.balancer.ru/forum/punbb/attachment.php?item=359073&download=2&type=.jpg

    WHat a pretty pic of Kuzya.

    Come to think of it, if this planned modernization does actually happen ( I would rather see that than new carriers in the near future) then the empty phased array banks can finally be filled by Poliment.
    If the russians dont equip the K with cats i think its smarter to make a new carrier. And IF they equip the K with cats i think a sister ship isnt a wrong idea.

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    Kuznetsov deployment?

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Sun Dec 01, 2013 3:29 pm

    They said that the K would probally deploy to syria by this end year, but i didnt heard anything about it and couldnt find something about it.
    Does anyone know if the K will still deploy to syria??? Is the K in Murmansk at the moment?


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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  GarryB on Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:28 am

    I would expect it will be taking on its new Mig-29s and will likely be involved in lots of training exercises to get as many pilots current on the new aircraft and also day/night current.


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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Mon Dec 02, 2013 3:02 pm

    GarryB wrote:I would expect it will be taking on its new Mig-29s and will likely be involved in lots of training exercises to get as many pilots current on the new aircraft and also day/night current.
    So it will deploy to syria?

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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  medo on Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:32 pm

    I doubt. Kuznetsov will more probably care for northern route and Arctic region.

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    Post  SOC on Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:55 am

    Pre-cruise workup was in early October. Supposed to head for the Med in December (i.e. anytime now). Four MiG-29Ks just got delivered so they're probably not going to be there, although they may show up while the K is in the Med. These are probably the airframes seen at Yeysk this summer checking out NITKA's replacement (unless those were Indian FULCRUMs, can't tell in the overheads), so if they're still down there/head back down there they could join up with K sometime. Otherwise they'll likely head to Severomorsk-3 and wait for K to return.

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    Admiral Kuznetsov

    Post  zg18 on Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:44 pm

    TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov" set sailed for a longer voyage (Mediterranean and North Atlantic)

    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201312171348-ad8c.htm

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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  runaway on Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:39 am

    MOSCOW, January 10 (RIA Novosti) – A naval task force led by Russia’s largest warship has passed through the English Channel on its way to the Mediterranean, a Russian military official said on Friday.
    The group carried out naval aviation exercises while passing close to UK territorial waters, Captain 2nd Class Yevgeny Kirillov said.
    The group of ships, consisting of the Russian Navy’s sole aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov and five escort vessels from Russia’s Northern Fleet, had days earlier anchored in the Moray Firth off the coast of Scotland due to inclement weather, the UK Defense Ministry confirmed on its website on Friday.
    The Royal Navy dispatched the Type 45 destroyer HMS Defender from Portsmouth on December 19 to escort the Russian task force. Goodwill messages were exchanged between the Russian and British ships on New Year’s Eve, the UK Defense Ministry added.
    The Russian carrier group left port on December 17 for the deployment.
    In August, Russian news agencies quoted a military source saying a long-distance sea deployment by Russian warships including the Admiral Kuznetsov would call at Russia’s only Mediterranean naval facility located in the Syrian port city of Tartus.
    A task force led by the Admiral Kuznetsov made a port call at Tartus two years ago.
    The Kuznetsov has an air group including Sukhoi Su-33 Flanker-D fighter jets and antisubmarine helicopters.

    And i would guess a few MiG-29K.


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    Post  Flyingdutchman on Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:46 pm

    runaway wrote:MOSCOW, January 10 (RIA Novosti) – A naval task force led by Russia’s largest warship has passed through the English Channel on its way to the Mediterranean, a Russian military official said on Friday.
    The group carried out naval aviation exercises while passing close to UK territorial waters, Captain 2nd Class Yevgeny Kirillov said.
    The group of ships, consisting of the Russian Navy’s sole aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov and five escort vessels from Russia’s Northern Fleet, had days earlier anchored in the Moray Firth off the coast of Scotland due to inclement weather, the UK Defense Ministry confirmed on its website on Friday.
    The Royal Navy dispatched the Type 45 destroyer HMS Defender from Portsmouth on December 19 to escort the Russian task force. Goodwill messages were exchanged between the Russian and British ships on New Year’s Eve, the UK Defense Ministry added.
    The Russian carrier group left port on December 17 for the deployment.
    In August, Russian news agencies quoted a military source saying a long-distance sea deployment by Russian warships including the Admiral Kuznetsov would call at Russia’s only Mediterranean naval facility located in the Syrian port city of Tartus.
    A task force led by the Admiral Kuznetsov made a port call at Tartus two years ago.
    The Kuznetsov has an air group including Sukhoi Su-33 Flanker-D fighter jets and antisubmarine helicopters.

    And i would guess a few MiG-29K.


    NICE!!!!! and yes i would guess a few mig-29k's to!



    Another question i read that the Kuznetsov will be decommissioned in 2025-2030 what will happen then are there any serious plans for any aircraft carriers in the future?

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    Post  TR1 on Fri Jan 17, 2014 12:17 am

    No MiG-29Ks on this voyage whatsoever.

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    Post  TR1 on Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:39 am

    And a nice vid of the deployment:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y782REQXw2I

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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jan 17, 2014 8:31 am

    I guess thinking about it... the plane is new and the land based carrier training facilities in Russia are both new... they will likely train and create operational manuals and develop tactics for the new Migs before deploying them operationally. not to mention they will build up stocks of new weapons and equipment...


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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Fri Jan 17, 2014 4:28 pm

    TR1 wrote:And a nice vid of the deployment:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y782REQXw2I

    Very nice vid!!! thumbsup 
    when will it arrive in syria?
    When will it leave?

    Any idea when the planned modernization is beginning?

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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:56 pm

    BTW does anyone know how many SU-33 are on board?
    I would guess 12 to 18

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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:30 pm

    Russia's aircraft carrier is heading to eastern Mediterranean Sea
    13:39 January 23, 2014 Interfax
    The Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier has left its anchorage in the western part of the Mediterranean Sea and is heading eastwards, Russia's Northern Fleet information department chief Capt. 1st rank Vadim Serga told Interfax-AVN.
    "The aircraft carrier replenished its stores from auxiliary vessels of the naval unit and carried out planned maintenance works of the ship's mechanisms and equipment during the anchorage. Yesterday the ship's Ka-27 helicopters made 12 flights and stayed in air for eight hours in total," Serga said.

    Infographics: Russian navy ships in the Mediterranean
    The Admiral Kuznetsov is preparing for flights of on-deck jet fighters that will start as soon as weather conditions are favorable, he said.
    The Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier of the Russian Northern Fleet left its base in Severomorsk on December 17. It heads the naval unit consisting of the Admiral Levchenko destroyer, the Olenegorsky Gornyak landing ship and auxiliary vessels. The naval unit covered over 3,700 nautical miles during the voyage.
    The Admiral Kuznetsov is Russia's aircraft carrier. It can carry Sukhoi Su-33 on-deck multirole jet fighters, Ka-27, Ka-28, Ka-29 and Ka-32 helicopters.
    Two landing ships join Russian Navy unit in Mediterranean
    Two large landing ships, the Azov of the Russian Black Sea Fleet and the Georgy Pobedonosets of the North Fleet, have passed through the Strait of Dardanelles and joined the Russian permanent naval unit deployed in the Mediterranean, a military diplomat told Interfax-AVN on Monday. Read more>>>

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    Russian Carrier Group Conducting Exercises In The Meditteranean

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:18 pm

    MOSCOW, January 24 (RIA Novosti) – A Russian carrier group that entered the Mediterranean earlier this month has begun a series of naval aviation exercises, a navy spokesman said Friday.
    “The naval aviators are conducting training in dogfighting, high-speed interception and improving their skills in flying intricate aerobatic maneuvers,” Captain of the 1st Class Vadim Serga said.
    Russia formed a permanent naval task force in the Mediterranean last year to defend its interests in the region. The move was widely seen as a response to calls for international intervention in the worsening civil war in Syria, Russia’s longtime ally.
    The group of ships, led by Russia’s sole aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov, is currently located in waters near Spain’s Balearic Islands.

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    In August, Russian media quoted a military source saying a group of Russian warships on a long-distance cruise would soon call at the country’s only Mediterranean naval facility in the Syrian port city of Tartus.
    The Admiral Kuznetsov led another group of ships to that facility two years ago.
    Serga said that over 20 training flights by the ship’s Su-33 Flanker-D fighter jets were planned.
    The group, dispatched by Russia’s Northern Fleet, was escorted by a British destroyer as it approached Scotland last month.

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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Mon Feb 10, 2014 7:42 pm

    North Fleet pilots practicing in Mediterranean
    14:00 February 4, 2014 Interfax
    Seaborne aircraft crews have improved their skills in training flights performed from the deck of the North Fleet heavy aircraft carrying cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov, North Fleet spokesman Capt. 1st Class Vadim Serga told Interfax-AVN on Tuesday.

    Infographics: Russian navy ships in the Mediterranean
    "Crews of the wing had another practice yesterday to upgrade their piloting, navigation and tactical skills and airborne target destruction techniques. The flights were performed by pilots of seaborne fighter jets and helicopters while the unit led by the aircraft carrying cruiser was moving from central Mediterranean to an area south of Crete," Serga said.
    Seaborne aircraft pilots stationed aboard the Admiral Kuznetsov were put on combat duty lately, Serga said. They are responsible for air defense of the Russian naval unit deployed in the Mediterranean. Some of the seaborne fighter jets Sukhoi Su-33 are fully armed and on immediate standby.
    In all, North Fleet pilots have made over 110 flights with the total duration of about 80 hours during the long-distance voyage of the naval unit, Serga said.

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    Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Sat Apr 19, 2014 10:05 am

    I saw there wasnt a big thread about this awesome ship so i'll make it.

    From now on all the news about the Kuznetsov can be posted here we can have great discussions about the ship and of course the upcoming refit too!


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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Sat Apr 19, 2014 10:18 am

    Some cool vids about the kuznetsov.

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HRpmhWbsgqA

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zv-WCG7ohyw

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aIb-9Svyk9k

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