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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  George1 on Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:35 pm



    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2221708.html


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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 01, 2016 6:50 am

    Keep in mind this is Kuznetsov... not Nimitz.

    The primary purpose is air defence of the carrier group and light naval attack.

    They might try some land attack, but likely only in the context of testing the air to ground capabilities of the new types and probably new weapons... the MiG-29KUB will be the only two seat fixed wing aircraft on board so all training will be done with that, though its potential with two crew might of course lead them to think all the MiG-29Ks on board should be two seaters...

    Should be interesting to see what they test and what they do with the carrier.

    They are not likely to finish off Daesh with this group, this is for testing and experience in a realistic environment... likely coordination with the Russian Air Force and air defence forces on the ground there will also be valuable too.


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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

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    Post  chinggis on Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:25 pm

    Second video is interesting. To me, it is interesting that MiG29 is take off without use of blast protection plates.

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    Post  marcellogo on Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:41 pm

    chinggis wrote:Second video is interesting. To me, it is interesting that MiG29 is take off without use of blast protection plates.  

    It would be interesting to look at how much time it pass between a launch and the second one in stress situation, given that one of the possible, put forth advantages of STOBAR configuration is allegedly a faster launch rate.
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    Post  Giulio on Wed Nov 02, 2016 12:26 pm

    I'm not an expert, but first I think that the skijump could be used by an airplane at a time. If you have four catapults, you can use at least two catapults at a time or in very fast succession. And if you don't have a very big flight deck, you can't move aircrafts so agile enough to supply quickly catapults or skijump. You can have skijump or very fast catapults, but for what? If you can't supply them with aircrafts? In a few words: you need a very big ship (and, I think, a nuclear reactor, for the energy for the steam or the electricity for the catapults and for the lifts ...).
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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  Isos on Wed Nov 02, 2016 2:16 pm

    marcellogo wrote:
    chinggis wrote:Second video is interesting. To me, it is interesting that MiG29 is take off without use of blast protection plates.  

    It would be interesting to look at how much time it pass between a launch and the second one in  stress situation, given that one of the possible, put forth advantages of STOBAR configuration is allegedly a faster launch rate.

    STOBAR is faster than catapults. The pilot doesn't need to be as pricise as with catapult when he put his plane in position and doesn't wait for the crew arming the catapult.
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    Post  chinggis on Wed Nov 02, 2016 6:05 pm

    What have a MiG 29 have it on its belly? Refueling pod?
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    Post  Giulio on Wed Nov 02, 2016 8:53 pm

    chinggis wrote:What have a MiG 29 have it on its belly? Refueling pod?

    I think yes.



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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Nov 02, 2016 9:58 pm

    The fleet is currently south of Crete doing a steady 11 knots with 900Km or so to go. At this rate of progress Moscow will have those extra Su-33 available when the ceasefire comes off in Aleppo on Friday.

    Does the Su-33 have an air to air refuelling capability?
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    Post  Militarov on Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:16 pm

    JohninMK wrote:The fleet is currently south of Crete doing a steady 11 knots with 900Km or so to go. At this rate of progress Moscow will have those extra Su-33 available when the ceasefire comes off in Aleppo on Friday.

    Does the Su-33 have an air to air refuelling capability?


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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:32 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:The fleet is currently south of Crete doing a steady 11 knots with 900Km or so to go. At this rate of progress Moscow will have those extra Su-33 available when the ceasefire comes off in Aleppo on Friday.

    Does the Su-33 have an air to air refuelling capability?

    Thanks.

    So they can launch with weapons rather than fuel. Also they could refuel/rearm at Hmeimim.
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    Post  Giulio on Thu Nov 03, 2016 2:00 pm

    Yes, if they want. A Su-27 at high altitude can achieve about a 3.000 km range, they can turn around for a while, the only limit may be the need to go to the bathroom.
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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  KiloGolf on Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:03 pm

    Looks like the Kuz task force has anchored just a few miles east of Crete.
    Danish frigate Abalson is circling/shadowing nearby.


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    Post  par far on Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:17 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:Looks like the Kuz task force has anchored just a few miles east of Crete.
    Danish frigate Abalson is circling/shadowing nearby.




    When will it arrive on the Syrian coast? We can really use, the KA 52's in Aleppo right about now.

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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:44 pm


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    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 05, 2016 6:38 am

    Second video is interesting. To me, it is interesting that MiG29 is take off without use of blast protection plates.

    The blast deflection plates are primarily used to protect other crew and aircraft on deck during a takeoff. The main use is when lots of aircraft are getting ready for launch in a high tempo situation.

    It would be interesting to look at how much time it pass between a launch and the second one in stress situation, given that one of the possible, put forth advantages of STOBAR configuration is allegedly a faster launch rate.

    Steam cats need precision settings... use the wrong settings and they cannot be adjusted during a launch.... so a light aircraft might get its nose gear ripped off because the setting might have been for a much larger heavier aircraft, or a heavy aircraft might end up in the water because too light a setting was used and did not increase the aircrafts speed enough to let it get airborne in the space and time allowed.

    An EM cat is rather different and can be much more sophisticated and adapt to light or heavy aircraft during the launch stroke... it can have a target launch speed rather than just a pressure setting.

    I'm not an expert, but first I think that the skijump could be used by an airplane at a time. If you have four catapults, you can use at least two catapults at a time or in very fast succession. And if you don't have a very big flight deck, you can't move aircrafts so agile enough to supply quickly catapults or skijump. You can have skijump or very fast catapults, but for what? If you can't supply them with aircrafts? In a few words: you need a very big ship (and, I think, a nuclear reactor, for the energy for the steam or the electricity for the catapults and for the lifts ...).

    Things like deflector plates and the angled deck means the deck crew can switch from landing aircraft to launching aircraft very quickly.

    You could have two aircraft set up for launch on the ski jump at one time and a third aircraft on the long take off position... launch the front two aircraft and then the long takeoff aircraft and the deck is clear for a plane to land while two more aircraft can be moved to the front take off positions on the ski jump.

    Aircraft with normal loads would not need the long run so in practise the K could launch aircraft two at a time while able to land an aircraft on the rear angled deck.

    Does the Su-33 have an air to air refuelling capability?

    Yes, with buddy refuelling pods.

    When will it arrive on the Syrian coast? We can really use, the KA 52's in Aleppo right about now.

    Would want to see them tested in other areas first so they get to know how to operate them properly first and can check all the systems and weapons work the way they expect them too.


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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  par far on Sat Nov 05, 2016 2:48 pm

    "WHAT HAPPENED TO ADMIRAL KUZNETSOV: PHOTO OF TOWING OF RUSSIAN AIRCRAFT CARRIER PUBLISHED ONLINE".


    I wonder what happened here, it should have gone right to the Syrian coast.


    https://southfront.org/what-happened-to-admiral-kuznetsov-photo-of-towing-of-russian-aircraft-carrier-published-online/



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    Post  A1RMAN on Sat Nov 05, 2016 4:04 pm

    par far wrote:"WHAT HAPPENED TO ADMIRAL KUZNETSOV: PHOTO OF TOWING OF RUSSIAN AIRCRAFT CARRIER PUBLISHED ONLINE".


    I wonder what happened here, it should have gone right to the Syrian coast.


    https://southfront.org/what-happened-to-admiral-kuznetsov-photo-of-towing-of-russian-aircraft-carrier-published-online/




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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  Giulio on Mon Nov 07, 2016 3:25 pm

    Giulio wrote:
    chinggis wrote:What have a MiG 29 have it on its belly? Refueling pod?

    I think yes.


    I looked better, it seems to me a centerline drop tank.

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    Post  par far on Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:37 pm

    Where is the Admiral Kuznetsov right now? And when is it going to arrive on the Syrian coast?

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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:09 pm

    par far wrote:Where is the Admiral Kuznetsov right now? And when is it going to arrive on the Syrian coast?


    Eight hours ago they were north of Cyprus. There are claims of a couple of Su-33 over Latakia today.

    Military Advisor ‏@miladvisor 9m9 minutes ago Admiral Kuznetsov naval battle group has reached Cyprus & will reach Syria tomorrow.

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    Post  zardof on Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:46 pm

    par far wrote:Where is the Admiral Kuznetsov right now? And when is it going to arrive on the Syrian coast?

    Group still at same position with N Muru group and Grigovitch at 300 km behind.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:49 pm

    zardof wrote:
    par far wrote:Where is the Admiral Kuznetsov right now? And when is it going to arrive on the Syrian coast?

    Group still at same position with N Muru group and Grigovitch at 300 km behind.

    Well they are definitely not in a hurry.

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    Post  kvs on Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:20 am

    Lack of action by this carrier and its escort combined with the Aleppo cease fire over the last few days indicates that Russia
    is in a holding pattern until the US election. This is not to feed the anti-Russian propaganda machine any meat about babies
    bombed to death in Aleppo.

    After the election it will not make any difference and the al-Nusra maggots in east Aleppo will probably not last until Obama leaves
    office.

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