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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:25 am

    But don't they need to cut the K open to be able to place Nuclear powerplants?

    They will have to cut it open to rewire everything and change the pipes and other systems.

    A U.S. Nimitz-class super-carrier displaces more than 100,000 tons — the standard of measurement for ship sizes. The Kuznetsov, by comparison, displaces a mere 55,000 tons with a full load.

    They are different sizes because they have fundamentally different roles... the Nimitz carries a strike package of aircraft with supporting tankers and AWACS and fighter cover for attacking countries around the world. The Kuznetsov has fighter aircraft to defend the ships in the carrier group and large anti ship missiles to sink enemy ships in an enemy carrier battle group.

    Last year The Daily Beast reported that the U.S. Mediterranean Fleet trailed the Kuznetsov into the Mediterranean to lend a hand in case of an emergency, according to an unidentified U.S. Navy source. "The Kuznetsov might sink," the source said.

    Hahahahahahahaha... the US wouldn't lift a finger to help the Soviets when Chernobyl melted down and blocked Soviet access to robots being offered by US universities to help deal with the problem, but they will help to keep the Kuznetsov afloat in the med... what fricken heros... Rolling Eyes

    ... and what Big_Gazza said X2.


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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:12 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Flyingdutchman wrote:Russia's only aircraft carrier, the Soviet-era flagship Admiral Kuznetsov, has returned to sea after going into port for maintenance at the Sevmash Shipyards near Arkhangelsk, Interfax reported Monday.
    The vessel, Russia's largest, is now heading out into the Barents Sea for post-repair sea trials, ensuring that the ship is in working order before resuming normal combat duties, Western Military District spokesperson Vadim Serga was quoted  by Interfax as saying.
    In Russian naval parlance, the Kuznetsov is not a proper aircraft carrier but rather a heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser, about half the size of a modern U.S. Nimitz-class aircraft carrier. But the Kuznetsov's cruiser capabilities mean that in addition to launching fighter planes, the warship can pummel enemy surface vessels with anti-ship guided missiles.
    A U.S. Nimitz-class super-carrier displaces more than 100,000 tons — the standard of measurement for ship sizes. The Kuznetsov, by comparison, displaces a mere 55,000 tons with a full load.
    In July, state news agency TASS reported that the Kuznetsov would undergo a massive retrofit at the Sevmash Shipyards in the next three to four years. The vessel has not been extensively serviced since it was launched in 1985, despite having been plagued with a slew of serious problems during the course of its lifetime.
    While on deployment in the Mediterranean in 2009, a short circuit aboard the vessel caused a fire that killed one crew member. A month after the incident, an attempt to refuel the vessel at sea caused a large oil spill off the coast of Ireland.
    Last year The Daily Beast reported that the U.S. Mediterranean Fleet trailed the Kuznetsov into the Mediterranean to lend a hand in case of an emergency, according to an unidentified U.S. Navy source. "The Kuznetsov might sink," the source said.
    The Kuznetsov is Russia's only aircraft carrier of its type to enter service. Its sister ship, the Varyag, was not completed before the collapse of the Soviet Union and was later sold to China for completion after rusting in a Ukrainian shipyard for nearly a decade. The Varyag entered service in the Chinese navy as "the Liaoning" in 2012, making it China's first aircraft carrier.
    An older Soviet-era Kiev-class aircraft-carrying cruiser was retrofitted by Sevmash for the Indian Navy and entered service last year as the Vikramaditya.
    Although the navy does not have any immediate plans to build any new aircraft carriers of its own, Russia is waiting on the delivery of two French-built Mistral-class amphibious assault carriers over the next two years.
    But amid the ongoing sanctions spat between Russia and the West, many NATO members are lobbying Paris to ax the deal, which would bolster Russian naval power.
    French President Francois Hollande said in September that France will only deliver the first vessel at the end of October if tensions in Ukraine subside.

    http://www.themoscowtimes.com/mobile/business/article/troubled-russian-aircraft-carrier-kuznetsov-returns-to-sea/508027.html

    A fire that killed a single crew member and an oil spill during refuelling ops are the best examples of "serious problems during the course of its lifetime"???  Thats simply pathetic.  The author is desperate for something to criticise and that is the best he can come up with?

    The US navy trailed the Kuz so they could "lend a hand" if needed?  Pfftt... what crap.  I'd sooner believe Bibi Netanyahoo helping out in a Gaza working bee to repair the damaged homes of Hamas members...

    No wonder I never read the Moscow Times anymore.  A foreign (Finnish) media group telling stupid porky pies about Russia....
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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  zg18 on Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:37 am

    "Kuz" left for Barents sea for some training

    http://www.1tv.ru/news/social/268764

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    Post  Flyingdutchman on Thu Oct 02, 2014 7:41 am

    Still no Mig-29k's?

    Nice vid zg18!

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 02, 2014 1:36 pm

    The Navy has them... they clearly want to train on them a bit before deploying them.

    I rather suspect they will keep using the Su-33 till they have enough MiG-29Ks to completely replace them.

    That way all the equipment to support the Su-33s can be removed and replaced with all the bits and pieces the MiG-29K needs to operate.

    It makes no sense to keep equipment for both aircraft on board.... just takes up space.


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    Post  Flyingdutchman on Tue Oct 07, 2014 4:44 pm

    I've seen pictures of upgraded su-25's they looked pretty good!!

    Will the RU navy upgrade them aswell, or are they definetly out of ( carrier ) service?

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    Post  medo on Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:13 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:I've seen pictures of upgraded su-25's they looked pretty good!!

    Will the RU navy upgrade them aswell, or are they definetly out of ( carrier ) service?

    Su-33 is only single seater, that is why Ru NAVY need Su-25UTG for carrier operation trainings. MiG-29K have its own two seater MiG-29KUB for trainings and NAVY also buy Yak-130 trainers. Yakovlev have in plans carrier trainer version of Yak-130, but we do not know, what version NAVY buy. I hope Ru NAVY will be smart enough to buy additional squadron of 12 MiG-29KUB to place them in Eysk NITKA naval air base for year long constant trainings of navy carrier pilots and new pilots for carrier operations. With naval Su-30SM near, pilots could as well train air combat and naval operations.

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    Post  Flyingdutchman on Sun Mar 15, 2015 2:31 pm

    Any news about possible renovation?
    They should've started ages ago.

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    Post  runaway on Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:54 am

    Flyingdutchman wrote:Any news about possible renovation?
    They should've started ages ago.

    The yard is occupied with Ushakov and dock by Nakhimov.
    Other then that, the Navy apperently needs the carrier now and will not like to be without a carrier for the next 6-7 years. So perhaps they only make short time modifications and repair, any deep overhaul will have to wait.


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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  George1 on Thu May 14, 2015 2:12 pm

    Russia’s sole aircraft carrier goes under repairs

    The aircraft carrier performed its last long-distance voyage in May 2014, mostly sailing in the Mediterranean Sea

    MURMANSK, May 14. /TASS/. Russia’s sole aircraft carrier, The Admiral Kuznetsov, went into the dock of a shipyard in north Russia for repairs, the Northern Fleet’s press office reported on Thursday, giving no timeframe for the repairs.

    "The repair workers will first make the ship’s inspection in the dock, after which a decision will be made on the scope of the repairs," the fleet’s press office said, adding the repairs would be carried out by specialists of the 82nd shipyard at Roslyakovo in the Murmansk Region.

    The aircraft carrier performed its last long-distance voyage in May 2014, mostly sailing in the Mediterranean Sea.

    The Northern Fleet’s press office earlier reported that deck-based aircraft pilots had been on combat duty aboard the Admiral Kuznetsov responsible for air defense of a Russian Navy task force.

    The Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier also took part in several naval drills, practising air fights.

    The Admiral Kuznetsov heavy aircraft-carrying missile cruiser is the sole vessel of this type in the Russian Navy.

    The Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier was laid down at a Black Sea shipyard on September 1, 1982 and entered service on December 4, 1985.

    During its voyages, the ship carries Sukhoi Su-25UTG (NATO reporting name: Frogfoot-B) and Su-33 (Flanker-D) aircraft and Kamov Ka-27 and Ka-29 (Helix) helicopters.

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    Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov

    Post  AirCargo on Wed May 27, 2015 5:42 am

    "Admiral Kuznetsov" Taking a Long Nap

    http://7fbtk.blogspot.fi/2015/05/admiral-kuznetsov-taking-long-nap.html

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    Post  George1 on Wed May 27, 2015 12:23 pm

    AirCargo wrote:"Admiral Kuznetsov" Taking a Long Nap

    http://7fbtk.blogspot.fi/2015/05/admiral-kuznetsov-taking-long-nap.html

    Just repair work, not any serious modernization and the ship will be back in 2017...

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    Post  Flyingdutchman on Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:32 am

    Is there a possibility that Admiral Kuznetsov Will be sold?
    I was thinking about Argentine?

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    Post  Stealthflanker on Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:43 am

    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    I was thinking about Argentine?

    Not this country. Economically too weak for a carrier.

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    Post  collegeboy16 on Tue Jun 02, 2015 4:07 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:Is there a possibility that Admiral Kuznetsov Will be sold?
    I was thinking about Argentine?
    hahahaha, hope the Russians have taste for lots of beef then. Razz

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    Post  medo on Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:03 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:Is there a possibility that Admiral Kuznetsov Will be sold?
    I was thinking about Argentine?

    I think Kuznetsov will stay in RuNAVY until the new carrier will be build.

    Argentina could buy Spanish carrier Principe de Asturias or Italian Giuseppe Garibaldi, when it will be on sale. For carrier based planes they could opt for Russia to restart Yak-141 development and production.

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    Post  EKS on Tue Jun 02, 2015 6:59 pm

    Do you think a productionline of yak141 is feesible? I think it would only be done if there were a need for it in the russian navy. But the navy laks carriers for these aircraft. Unfortunaly they were scraped or sold years ago. A foreign State order would have to be large to cover the cost. I don't think it Will happen. But i do love that plane.

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    Post  medo on Tue Jun 02, 2015 9:02 pm

    EKS wrote:Do you think a productionline of yak141 is feesible? I think it would only be done if there were a need for it in the russian navy. But the navy laks carriers for these aircraft. Unfortunaly they were scraped or sold years ago. A foreign State order would have to be large to cover the cost. I don't think it Will happen. But i do love that plane.

    China plan to develop VSTOL aircraft for their naval needs and Russia will also have LHDs similar to Mistral, where they could place them. Also those planes could operate from smaller islands in VTOL regime from helipads like Chinese islands in SCS or Russian bases in Arctic islands. On the other hand there is more and more LHDs and smaller carriers around which need VSTOL fighters. Harriers are no more in production and F-35 is extremely expensive. In current situation Yak-141 have export market and potential to be produced in hundreds. Point is, that if China want to develop VSTOL plane, they have to start from the beginning, on the other hand Russia only have to restart the project and finish it. Russia could save a lot of money and time with Yak-141. In other case, chinese plane will take this market.

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    Post  EKS on Tue Jun 02, 2015 9:43 pm

    medo wrote:
    EKS wrote:Do you think a productionline of yak141 is feesible? I think it would only be done if there were a need for it in the russian navy. But the navy laks carriers for these aircraft. Unfortunaly they were scraped or sold years ago. A foreign State order would have to be large to cover the cost. I don't think it Will happen. But i do love that plane.

    China plan to develop VSTOL aircraft for their naval needs and Russia will also have LHDs similar to Mistral, where they could place them. Also those planes could operate from smaller islands in VTOL regime from helipads like Chinese islands in SCS or Russian bases in Arctic islands. On the other hand there is more and more LHDs and smaller carriers around which need VSTOL fighters. Harriers are no more in production and F-35 is extremely expensive. In current situation Yak-141 have export market and potential to be produced in hundreds. Point is, that if China want to develop VSTOL plane, they have to start from the beginning, on the other hand Russia only have to restart the project and finish it. Russia could save a lot of money and time with Yak-141. In other case, chinese plane will take this market.

    Well maby the Chinese want russian participation in the development of a vstol aircraft, but i don't see a deal Like the su30 likely in the future. Also, there isn't a productionline yet. So the costs are high. The point is the Chinese want selfsufficiency and they won't buy off the shelf aircraft. Although not in large numbers.

    If the russian navy wants a plane Like yak141, and if there is a effective use for them, i guess it Will be in maby 10 to 20 years, then i think they Will develop a new aircraft based on yak141 tech, Like the USA did.

    IMO a russian design of a LHD Will first of all serve as a helicopter carrier for ASW (in the bastion defence startegy as they lack the old LHD) and a limited coast attack role. The offshore airdefence role will be met by the naval landbased fighters. The future blue sea airdefence is for the new aircraftcarrier on the designboard.

    But never say never. The vstol aircraft can operate from a large LHD.

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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 03, 2015 8:23 am

    They wont be selling the Kuznetsov to anyone... why would they?

    It is rather unlikely they will reactivate the Yak-141 either... the number of aircraft they want on their carriers (ie talk of 100 in the most recent releases) means they wont be making small carriers, so it makes no sense to develop a VSTOL aircraft.

    The whole point of VSTOL fighters for the navy is so they can operate fixed wing aircraft from smaller cheaper platforms... if they are building bigger platforms it makes rather more sense to use existing types like MiG-29K and PAK FA as they are fully developed or to be fully developed multirole fighter bombers already.

    With full thrust vector control engines it is rather likely that the MiG-29k and PAK FA will be able to take off full loads anyway as they can optimise their angle of attack on takeoff to get maximum engine lift and maximum wing lift as they accelerate from the ship...

    (note the corsair had a ram wing that could be lifted up to increase wing angle to increase lift with a lower angle of attack so the engines are more horizontal to increase acceleration... the MiG-29K and PAK FA could raise their noses and increase the wing angle with their engine nozzles angled up to create horizontal thrust for better acceleration....)


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    Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov

    Post  AirCargo on Wed Jun 03, 2015 8:47 am

    GarryB wrote:note the corsair had a ram wing that could be lifted up to increase wing angle to increase lift with a lower angle of attack so the engines are more horizontal to increase acceleration

    You must mean the Vought F8U-1 Crusader.




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    Post  mutantsushi on Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:04 am

    medo wrote:I think Kuznetsov will stay in RuNAVY until the new carrier will be build.
    Eh, I think it will stay in Russian Navy until it's retired, not just until "the new carrier is built".
    IMHO, Russia will want at least 3 (even if only 2 active with full wing at any moment), just to actually cover both Pacific-Indian-Arabian and Barents-Atlantic-Med...
    and will probably keep Kuznetsov in service until at least two are built...
    Until then Kuz is keeping carrier aviation tradition alive (incl. how other ships interface with carrier+air assets), so that trained crews are ready for new carriers.
    I have weighed in before questioning the desirability of carriers for Russian fleet, but if they are deemed worthy, aiming for more than just one seems likely.

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    Post  RedJasmin on Wed Jun 10, 2015 2:55 pm

    Hiya. It's my first post here, but I've been following the sorry saga that is the "new carrier" programme for a while.

    I honestly don't think the programme is going anywhere at the moment and won't until the RuNavy really sits down with the other forces and the gov't and thrashes out exactly what their role is.

    As an article on the Moscow Times ("Russia Wants an Aircraft Supercarrier, But Can It Build One?") discussed, the way carriers are being talked about in Russia now is very different to their historical role as ASW and fleet defence platforms. Current thinking with 100-aircraft capacity seems to be less about a new doctrine, and more about "The Americans have got them, so we should too".

    The well known problem, as the article agrees, is that large carrier construction (>60,000ton) during the Soviet era was undertaken in Ukraine. The only Russian yard with any carrier experience whatsoever is Sevmash, which doesn't have the facilities for construction of supercarriers.

    With that in mind I think any Russian ambition of getting a supercarrier built before the Kuznetsov starts attracting archaeologists is... optimistic at best. But the problem with the Kuznetsov is primarily it's state of decay and solitary nature rather than it's size.

    So if big carriers are a problem and the state of the Kuznetsov makes it urgent.. How about building new carriers that actually answers Russia's specific security issues rather than being the biggest and bestest everest?

    A Russian carrier fleet needs to be able to engage in anti-submarine and air defence activities of the fleet, including providing air cover to amphibious operations, all of which the Kuznetsov can do. Some degree of global force projection of the supercarrier variety is useful as a strategic ability, but no current or foreseeable scenarios genuinely necessitate it.  

    Sticking to what Russia needs rather than what she is want gives us the possibility for an achievable carrier programme that can guarantee the future of a blue-water Russian navy, *and it already exists*. Essentially a Kuznetsov II class carrier. Using an existing design saves time and money - neither of which Russia is blessed with an abundance of. Modifications could be made to provide a more capable and reliable platform within the basics of the existing design, much as the Kuznetsov itself is a more capable Kiev design.

    * Swap conventional propulsion for two KN-3 reactors rather than design new, tried and tested from the Kirov class. Much more reliable, and greater range.

    * Steam catapults. The existing designs from the Ulyanovsk can be used/modified, saving time and cost. Greater aircraft flexibility from an existing hull design.

    * Delete the P-700s to manage costs and complexity.

    * Obviously, going with the latest design versions of sensor suites, using those of the Gorshkov class frigates where possible.

    * Focus on operating drones alongside traditional aircraft. More drones can be carried in a given area than conventional aircraft and can loiter/patrol for longer. Drones allow a smaller carrier to do more.

    * Realistically, only three hulls need be built for a viable fleet. One each for the Pacific and Northern fleets, with the third a reserve "floater", assigned to either fleet as needed to cover maintinance or a crisis event.

    Ideally, an additional ship could be completed for the Black Sea fleet, and the Kuznetsov herself fully overhauled (and perhaps upgraded to Kuz. II specification) to serve as additional floater. This would give each fleet one active carrier at all times, with any one fleet being able to operate up to three active carriers for a limited time, without sacrificing cover elsewhere.

    By keeping these carriers smaller and based on existing technology the project becomes possible - still expensive and demanding - but possible rather than pie-in-the-sky. Three or four new Kuznetsov size ships can guarantee a true blue-water capability that can meaningfully defend Russian interests much better than a paper drawing of a 100 plane, 120,000 ton carrier can. It makes the most use of existing designs, technologies and shipyards - and demands little new/clean-sheet development - so resources go straight into the ships (and aircraft) themselves.

    Another advantage is that though the Kuznetsov design has issues, these are already known. Essentially the Kuznetsov can be treated long serving design prototype to identify faults and teething problems that the new design can mostly avoid. Whilst the changes to the design for the new class would doubtlessly introduce new issues, they will be far fewer in number than a completely new design where the number of unknowns is far, far greater.

    Given that evolutionary designs are something of a tradition in Russia dating right back to the Soviet era, it seems interesting that the idea isn't currently being currently considered given the state of the Russian navy. Any thoughts/ideas?

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    Post  mutantsushi on Thu Jun 11, 2015 7:39 am

    Well, as far as ASW/AWACS, I think innovative VTOL platforms can achieve long endurance/ high altitude equivalent to CATOBAR platforms.
    The cost of a carrier fleet dev/construction/operation, + that of unique CATOBAR platforms, will be much more than going with new VTOL platforms.
    I would agree that strike carrier is not needed by Russia, and on this basis doubt the need for this at all.
    All that is left is fleet defence CATOBAR jets.  I honestly feel that taking all the huge amount of money needed for full strike carrier + platforms,
    and putting it in more VTOL support platforms that can be organically spread across the rest of the fleet, along with SAMs, can achieve same effect,
    likely at lesser cost, and also less risk by not depending on single point of failure (carrier) that itself necessitates resources to protect it etc.
    The only pro I see towards a carrier is if Russia can split the dev/production costs by sharing design with another country = China, Brazil?
    Although honestly, even including associated air platforms in the deal, that will just be a very small cost decrease in the larger scheme.
    As far as your proposals go, I dont think the cost savings from going with Kuznetsov II really compare to the larger scheme of things,
    and if Russia is going to go forward with all the costs of a carrier, having carrier strike aviation is a decent capability to have in the package.
    I would assume Russia would want to leverage ToT from Mistral and do a modular/block construction approach, as the British carrier is made...

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:43 pm

    I honestly don't think the programme is going anywhere at the moment and won't until the RuNavy really sits down with the other forces and the gov't and thrashes out exactly what their role is.

    Even if they could wave a magic wand right now and have a brand new carrier of their choice ready for service there would be no point. they need to upgrade their navy and their support and infrastructure before they could even consider properly operating a new carrier.

    Plans are for the mid 2020s onwards for production... that is more realistic.


    Current thinking with 100-aircraft capacity seems to be less about a new doctrine, and more about "The Americans have got them, so we should too".

    Nah, these wont be strike carriers like the US has, these will be air defence carriers... some of those aircraft will be UAVs.

    The well known problem, as the article agrees, is that large carrier construction (>60,000ton) during the Soviet era was undertaken in Ukraine. The only Russian yard with any carrier experience whatsoever is Sevmash, which doesn't have the facilities for construction of supercarriers.

    they are building and upgrading their shipyards all the time... there is one being built by the South Koreans in the Russian far east that will produce super tankers that should be able to handle large ships.

    So if big carriers are a problem and the state of the Kuznetsov makes it urgent.. How about building new carriers that actually answers Russia's specific security issues rather than being the biggest and bestest everest?

    The plans I have seen mention nothing about being the biggest... 60-70K ton at most.

    Modifications could be made to provide a more capable and reliable platform within the basics of the existing design, much as the Kuznetsov itself is a more capable Kiev design.

    New Russian vessels have standardisation at their core, it makes no sense to design a new vessel based on an existing vessel... especially when the new vessel wont enter service for another 15 years or so... there is plenty of time to design and develop.

    * Swap conventional propulsion for two KN-3 reactors rather than design new, tried and tested from the Kirov class. Much more reliable, and greater range.

    They have spent a lot of money and time developing new compact and powerful nuclear reactors for their new icebreakers and other large vessels.... they might want to use those.

    * Steam catapults. The existing designs from the Ulyanovsk can be used/modified, saving time and cost. Greater aircraft flexibility from an existing hull design.

    they have never had operational steam catapults, so it makes no sense to design some now.

    EM catapults have a range of advantages over steam cats so why invent a flintlock when the percussion cap is already there...

    * Delete the P-700s to manage costs and complexity.

    A new carrier will likely have a few UKSK launchers... even just for land attack cruise missiles and anti sub weapons.

    * Obviously, going with the latest design versions of sensor suites, using those of the Gorshkov class frigates where possible.

    I suspect there will be a large cruiser sized sensor suite that can be used on carriers...

    * Focus on operating drones alongside traditional aircraft. More drones can be carried in a given area than conventional aircraft and can loiter/patrol for longer. Drones allow a smaller carrier to do more.

    I suspect both surface, underwater, and aerial drones will be carried and operated.

    * Realistically, only three hulls need be built for a viable fleet. One each for the Pacific and Northern fleets, with the third a reserve "floater", assigned to either fleet as needed to cover maintinance or a crisis event.

    An aircraft carrier has three states... operational, in dock getting upgrades, and training. With two ships you can guarantee at least one ship will be available by never having both vessels in dock at the same time, but with one... if it is in dry dock with its knickers around its ankles and something happens you wont be able to get it into service quickly.... with two the other vessel will either be in training or operational and ready... ideally you have three carriers with each in one state, so in an emergency you have two ships available.

    Given that evolutionary designs are something of a tradition in Russia dating right back to the Soviet era, it seems interesting that the idea isn't currently being currently considered given the state of the Russian navy. Any thoughts/ideas?

    they have gained a lot of experience with the K, why not put that to good use in developing a new replacement?

    The Russian Navy doesn't need some strike force... they aren't trying to get the capability to attack anyone, what they want is the equivalent to the Russian air force... if the Russian Navy don't need carriers then the Russian army doesn't need an air force. It does and they do, but the Russian Navy will benefit from having air protection and eyes in the sky including manned and unmanned aircraft... with every ship carrying a UKSK launcher then long range land attack and anti ship attack can be performed by missiles from ships and subs... they don't need big heavy strike carriers like the US... some 60-70K ton carriers will be fine.


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