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    Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  runaway on Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:40 pm

    "Northern Fleet (NF) aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov heading the NF task force in Nov 2011 will be deployed in the Mediterranean Sea and Northeast Atlantic, reported ITAR-TASS referring to Russian Navy Main HQ.

    "Admiral Kuznetsov will head for the Barents Sea on Nov 13 and anchor to take air wing on board - 8 fighters Su-33, several MiG-29K, and two ASW helicopters Ka-27PL. Through one week the air wing will practice takeoff and landing techniques on board the carrier. On Nov 19 Admiral Kuznetsov will start a 3-month cruise to the Mediterranean Sea and Atlantic. NF large ASW ship Admiral Chabanenko will be among other ships of carrier group to provide coverage and combat support", said the interviewee.

    At present, the list of call ports is being drawn with regard to recent events at the Middle East and North Africa. Participation of Russian warships in exercises jointly with regional navies is being considered as well, said the spokesman for Navy Main HQ."



    So, they will make a show of strengh in the Mediterranean Sea, thats wise, as its turning quickly to a hotspot.
    But dont you think one SSN should accompanie the task force?

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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:46 am

    It is also said this will be the last sortie of the Admiral K. I don't know if they will follow through with the refit to CATOBAR or end up writing it off.

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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  GarryB on Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:47 am

    Carriers are not cheap, but in terms of performance it is like saying... we have an army... what do we need that expensive air force for?

    At the end of the day air power gives speed and reach in terms of both vision and ability to attack at distance.

    A carrier on its own is useless, much as an air force on its own would be a very limited tool.

    Together with an Army or Navy however they result in a much more effective and more complete force.

    Right now Russian shipyards are in a wide range of conditions, from OK to poor, and the possibility of producing new carriers right now is simply not realistic... either from an economic perspective, or from the perspective of production capacity.

    Carriers can't operate alone, they need large ships to support them with SAMs and sensors in a vessel that can operate for months rather than weeks.

    It is much easier and cheaper to retain a capability than it is to lose that capability for 10 years and then try to re-establish it again.

    Of course carriers are not cheap, and one is OK if all you want to do is retain skills, but to have an operationally significant carrier force, you need at least three carriers for every carrier you want in service.

    If you want one carrier in the Pacific and one in the Northern Fleet that means 6 carriers are a bare minimum, because of those 6 carriers at any one time two will be in refit, 2 will be in training, and two will be fully operational and at sea... at a stretch you could get 4 carriers operational if it was necessary, but if you want two operational carriers the bare minimum is 6.

    These carriers don't need to be 100K ton Nimitz class 6 billion dollar vessels, Russia has no empire to manage, or small countries to bully out of resources, but it does have allies it would like to help defend if it could.

    Ignore the big US super carriers and design much smaller but still capable carriers that meet your needs and cost a fraction of the US vessels.

    Putting a nuclear power plant in the Kuznetsov and adding EM cats will have the major effect of allowing it to carry a large AWACS type aircraft like the Yak-44... perhaps with two of the propfan engines the An-70 uses if the Russian AF buys the An-70 of course.
    The interesting thing is that AWACs aircraft are excellent for smaller countries, but the full sized models are very expensive, so a mini carrier borne AWACs would actually sell rather better to smaller countries and offer capabilities they have never had before.... though obviously they would be land based.

    A simplified land based model would be cheaper and simpler and have a much longer operational life due to operating from a proper runway instead of slamming into a deck and being dragged to a stop by a hook.

    Ideally the radar could be integrated into the wing itself to reduce weight and drag... Russian radar makers have shown folding antenna arrays for SAMs, so a folding wing array should be possible... perhaps a 3 faced triangular array combined in a delta wing aircraft?

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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  runaway on Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:02 pm

    About Awacs, we swedes have a little saab airplane called Saab 340 AEW&C, maybe that would something for the Kuznetsov.
    More planes, the MiG29k is said to be part of the airwing. Well, just recently it was said the navy wouldnt buy the 29k, so many different answers, typical russians. As i understand, it was a 29KUB that crashed, so why stop 29k? Also the MiG is saying they go bancrupt if they dont get the order.

    Kuznetsov are in schedule to begin modernization in 2012, lasting to 2017. In that time, i guess the 29k`s or SU-33`s will have to use the mockup in crimea, pretending its a flatop. Boring for them.
    I have no worries about the future of K, of course they will rebuild her, they all say so, and have done for long.

    It will be interesting to follow K in Mediterranean, maybe Egypt will break free from US dominance, and Tunis, Libya, Syria.. It will for sure be an important and historical journey.
    Maybe they also can sail past Cyprus, giving the Turks a bloody nose, they seem to be asking for it.

    Is it only the Chabanenko wich will accompany, why not Peter the great also?




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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:59 am

    The problem with the Mig-29K is the price... contracts are now negotiated by accountants rather than the users of the equipment.
    The accountants don't see performance or technology they see dollars and cents... well the Russian equivalent...

    They see their job as saving the military money even at the expense of crippling the MIC that develops weapons and technology for them...

    They chose the Mig-29K because it was in production for India and is a very good aircraft.

    Mig have produced and delivered the 16 from the original order and are now gearing up for the remaining 29 odd planes the Indians ordered as a follow on order, and this second order will be delivered in the next 2 years.

    If the Russian Navy wants some then they will need to complete the order in the next two years so Mig can keep the production facilities available for the purpose.

    Mig will never go bankrupt, they are a department of UAC... if they have no military aircraft fighter orders they can be directed to focus on other programs of course.

    Kuznetsov are in schedule to begin modernization in 2012, lasting to 2017. In that time, i guess the 29k`s or SU-33`s will have to use the mockup in crimea, pretending its a flatop. Boring for them.
    I have no worries about the future of K, of course they will rebuild her, they all say so, and have done for long.

    I agree, I think that after a full upgrade and overhaul that K will be in service well into the 2030s... I do think that this overhaul will mean there will be no plans for other carriers till 2025 and hopefully when they are built they will not cost the earth to buy and operate.
    It is critical that the Russian Navy has aircraft and facilities it can continue practising with so that when the K comes back into service there is no gap with no qualified pilots to operate from her deck.
    AFAIK they were building two new land based carrier simulators, one for India and one for themselves for training, in the mean time they can hire the facilities in the Ukraine.

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    An update on naval construction, part 1: large combat ships

    October 4, 2011 by Dmitry Gorenburg

    It’s been awhile since I wrote about developments in Russian naval shipbuilding. Spurred on by a recent article in NVO, the following is the first installment of an update on recent developments and future plans in this area.
    Return of the Nuclear Cruisers?

    In recent weeks, the Project 1144 (Kiev class) nuclear cruisers have once again been in the news because of reports that all three ships of this class currently in reserve will be refurbished and restored to the active fleet by 2020. Modernization of the Admiral Nakhimov is slated to begin this year and it is scheduled to return to active service in 2015. As part of the modernization, these ships are to be equipped with “modern radio electronics, radar, control and communication systems, and means of electronic warfare. In addition, the body frames and nuclear power units will be repaired.” The ships’ armaments will also be modernized — the older Granit missiles will be replaced with universal ship-based firing systems that could be loaded with a variety of different armaments depending on the ship’s specific mission. The ships would also be armed with S-400 long-range and unspecified short-range air defense systems.

    While it seems that the Admiral Nakhimov actually will be modernized and returned to the fleet in the next five years or so, to be followed by a refit for the currently active Peter the Great, I have grave doubts that modernization of the Admiral Lazarev and Admiral Ushakov will ever move beyond mere talk. The Ushakov in particular suffered a reactor accident back in 1990, which was never repaired. It may also have been cannibalized for spare parts to some extent. The Lazarev had its nuclear fuel unloaded back in 2005. Both would thus need essentially new reactors, as well as significant hull repairs.

    While this type of modernization is certainly possible, it doesn’t seem to be cost-effective, especially given the uncertainty surrounding these ships potential missions. As noted by Konstantin Makienko of CAST, these ships do not fit into any existing scenarios for using battleships: ”This type of ship cannot be involved in the possible conflicts that we may have in the Caucasus and Central Asia, and in the case of a hypothetical war with NATO or Japan, it will still be destroyed as the enemy has a much greater numerical superiority at sea.” While I can see the desire to have at least some large ships for showing the flag around the world, I can’t imagine that it would be worth the expense to rehabilitate a rusty, radioactive old hulk such as the Ushakov (former Kirov), just to get 10-15 years of life out of it. In the end, I imagine the Russian Navy will be satisfied with having the Nakhimov and the Peter the Great for showing the flag.
    No new aircraft carriers, but a much improved old one

    Back in June, the head of the United Shipbuilding Corporation stated that Russia will begin to design new aircraft carriers in 2016, with construction on the first ship to start in 2018, followed by commissioning in 2023. This statement was quickly rejected by the defense minister, who noted that while research on a future aircraft carrier is continuing, no decisions about design and construction have been made. Nor will they be made until the research is complete. In other words, don’t hold your breath.

    At the same time, the Navy’s one existing aircraft carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov, will be undergoing a complete modernization over the next several years. When it is relaunched (sometime between 2017 and 2020, depending on which report you believe), it will in many ways be a new ship. The following description of planned changes comes from Ilya Kramnik:

    First of all, the defective propulsion unit comprising steam turbines and turbo-pressurized boilers will be replaced either with a gas-turbine or nuclear propulsion unit. The ship’s 3M45 P-700 Granit (SS-N-19 Shipwreck) anti-ship cruise-missile launchers will be dismantled, and her internal layout changed. Consequently, the hangar area will be expanded to 4,500-5,000 sq. m. for storing additional fixed-wing aircraft. The Admiral Kuznetsov’s air defenses will be strengthened by replacing 3K95 Kinzhal (SA-N-9 Gauntlet) missiles with a multi-role naval system featuring 80-120 new-generation and medium-range surface-to-air missiles (SAMs). Moreover, 4-6 Pantsir-S1 (SA-22 Greyhound) combined short to medium-range SAM and anti-aircraft artillery weapons systems will be installed.

    The new weapons systems will feature state-of-the-art radio-electronic equipment, probably including the standard Sigma combat information and control system, due to be installed on all new generation Russian warships. The system facilitates unprecedentedly effective cooperation between task force elements. The carrier will also receive aircraft catapults, a logical option. Considering the fact that her ski-jump will remain intact, one or two catapults can be located on the angled flight deck.

    The carrier’s air wing is to comprise 26 new Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29K Fulcrum-D multi-role fighter aircraft, helicopters and navalized Sukhoi T-50 PAK FA (Future Frontline Aircraft System) fifth-generation fighters, currently under development. It appears that 15-20 of these aircraft will be built pending the ship’s re-launching, which is likely to take place in 2020 rather than 2017.

    In other words, when the Kuznetsov returns to active status, it will be a substantially different ship, with a new propulsion system, new aircraft, new armaments, and new electronics.
    Moving towards a new destroyer

    Finally, plans for building a new destroyer seem to be progressing, though for the moment it is still in the design stage. What is known so far is that design plans call for a 9000 ton ship with a nuclear power plant that would make extensive use of stealth technology. It would be armed with the usual assorted Klub missiles and would have space for two helicopters.

    If all goes according to plan, construction on the first ship will start in 2016. There have not been any reports so far about how many ships would be ordered or how long they would take to build, though my guess is that it will take at least six years to build the first ship and that the total order may reach 8-10 ships.

    I’ll cover frigates and corvettes in the next installment.


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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:08 am

    runaway wrote:About Awacs, we swedes have a little saab airplane called Saab 340 AEW&C, maybe that would something for the Kuznetsov.

    It would never get off the deck without a catapult. That is why we never developed the Antonova AWACs.

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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:27 pm



    Yes, interesting idea that Antonov... but I preferred the Yak-44:



    Though to be honest the amount of progress in design and electronics it might be best to start from scratch.

    With the PAK FA using AESA antenna arrays in its nose front and nose sides and in the wing leading edges it makes you think there is no need to make the radar a separate thing on top, that perhaps in terms of drag it would be best to make it an integral part of a thick subsonic wing structure that gives constant 360 degree coverage but with no moving parts...

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:30 pm

    An added bonus would be that you could also operate it as a land based aircraft and while the Kuznetsov is operating in its vicinity the land based AEW aircraft could use the carrier to extend their flights.

    Ground based radar is good, but in rugged country airborne radar is much better, but big AWACS planes are very expensive like the A-50 and soon A-100 to build in large numbers.

    A much smaller aircraft that is cheaper to buy and operate makes rather more sense, and would likely be a very exportable aircraft as most smaller air forces would benefit from good radar coverage.

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    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:06 pm

    For lack of a larger AWACS platform, the radar carrying version of the KA-27/29/31 should be the obvious choice.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:39 am

    The Kuznetsov will carry all three variants of the Kamov... the 27 is the ASW and pilot rescue model, the 29 is the troop transport assault model, and the 31 is the AEW radio relay aircraft.

    Ideally however for AEW you want something that can operate a good distance from the carrier group so as not to give away its position, but it doesn't have to be a copy of a US or British AEW aircraft... an airship might even do a better job, or a UAV of some sort.

    They are talking about adding a catapult to the K, which means existing aircraft will be able to operate at higher weights, and heavier aircraft can be taken on board.

    In practical terms that means a AEW aircraft has good potential and aircraft can perform strike oriented missions as strike payloads are usually much heavier than air to air payloads and often require much more fuel etc.


    Of course for all we know the new cat might be optimised for UAVs only and the primary purpose of the K could be global launching of HALE and MALE type UAVs.

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    Post  Pervius on Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:24 pm

    Admiral Kuznetsov can't be decommissioned.

    If Russia doesn't keep it and build 2 more, Russia will cease being a sovereign country. Europe and China need fuel, at some point they might decide taking is easier than buying.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:58 am

    Europe and China need fuel, at some point they might decide taking is easier than buying.

    With Russia... taking has NEVER been easier than buying.

    I do agree that the Russian Navy needs to retain air power that can operate where it operates.

    I have read that the Russian Army has even bought some Ka-31s to help manage the air situation over its ground forces... I would like to see a dedicated fixed wing AEW aircraft that could be carrier based developed as the improved flight range and increased operating altitude and increased time on station would be a significant improvement.

    A Yak-44 with two engines from the An-70 (if the Russian military are going to buy that aircraft then they might as well use the engines in other projects as well), and a new AESA phased array antenna

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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  runaway on Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:54 pm

    Crew of Northern Fleet (NF) aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral Flota Sovetskogo Soyuza Kuznetsov headed by Capt 1 rank Sergei Artamonov is completing preparation for deployment. The carrier is going to start long-range cruise in the second half of Nov 2011.

    Through summer training period, the crew of Admiral Kuznetsov has performed a number of training activities jointly with NF Shipborne Fighter Wing and conducted aircraft control drills; the ship's commanding staff improved control skills over subordinate units and services.

    For many crewmembers, that will be the first long-range cruise in their lives. Out of 2,000-men crew, 800 seamen and young officers will accomplish assigned tasks in distant ocean zones for the first time.

    The coming deployment will be the fifth long-range cruise for Admiral Kuznetsov. Previously, the Russian aircraft carrier was deployed in the Atlantic Ocean and in the Mediterranean Sea, paid formal calls at Syrian port Tartus, Crete Island and Malta.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:05 am

    Good news.

    I feel rather sorry for the Kuznetsov because being an only carrier the normal life cycle makes it look bad.

    Most carriers go through a cycle of three states, as I mentioned above in an earlier post.

    This means to guarantee having one carrier operational all the time you really need three of them.

    If you only have two you can at least not put them both into refit at once so you can hurriedly take one out of training if you need it in a hurry, but once in refit it will simply not be available for a period of time.

    This is why the UK ordered 2 new carriers... trying to save money.

    Now it seems they will only take one carrier and try to sell the other...

    The irony is that one carrier is not cheap, and for the times when you need it, if it happens to be in refit then you are spending the money and not getting the benefits.

    For lack of a larger AWACS platform, the radar carrying version of the KA-27/29/31 should be the obvious choice.

    To be clear, right now the Ka-31 is the only choice for AWACS on the Kuznetsov because it lacks a catapult to operate a heavier aircraft.

    If, and only if they have plans to add a cat to the Kuznetsov during this upgrade then I rather doubt it is to make the vessel a strike carrier by allowing strike aircraft to be used. The most likely use for a cat is to allow heavier aircraft to operate, like an AWACS plane and perhaps a cargo plane based on the same airframe that can land people or supplies in the middle of the ocean.

    The Yak-44 was the original design for a ship based AWACS aircraft, but technology has moved on so simply reactivating that design doesn't make a huge amount of sense, however a more modern aircraft design with all new electronics makes a lot of sense both for the K and for land operations.

    I mentioned the Russian Army has bought a couple of Ka-31s for land operations... this is the Army... not the AF. Keep in mind that the Ka-52s and Mi-28Ns in service are not part of Army Aviation, they are part of the Air Force, so these Ka-31s in Army service are fairly unusual.

    A fixed wing AEW aircraft that is much smaller than an A-50U would be even more desirable to the Army as they don't normally operate Kamovs anyway and a fixed wing aircraft should be able to fly further and faster and longer than a helo.

    The Ka-31 can fly to 5,000m and it can stay on station for up to 5 hours so it isn't a bad platform, but a fixed wing aircraft could fly higher and see further and stay airborne for much longer periods.

    Perhaps this is an opportunity for the ZOND unmanned AEW system?

    Landing on a carrier would be rather difficult however.

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    Kuznetsov: in refit or not?

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:13 pm

    Hey. Guys i heard the K will deploy to the meditteranean end of the year, but i thought it was in refit until 2017.

    Can someone make clear to me if its in refit or not.

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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  GarryB on Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:39 am

    It was planned to get an upgrade... and a serious one too... planned to take from now to 2017 it would have been fairly extensive, but delaying it is not the end of the world, certainly if it is armed with Poliment/Redut then this delay will allow the new systems to be more mature.


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    Post  Flyingdutchman on Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:35 pm

    So sooner or later the upgrade Will be done?

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:46 am

    Probably later now, but yes... it needs an upgrade.


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    Kuznetsov in danger.

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:55 pm

    The future of the Russian navy aircraft carrier component is in doubt after the Russian defense ministry decided to have its nuclear-powered guided missile cruiser, the Admiral Nakhimov, rather than its aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov, repaired and refitted at Sevmash, the nation’s largest dockyard.

    Sevmash had considered taking either the Nakhimov or the Kuznetsov for extended work after its facilities in the port city of Severodvinsk, including a large dry dock, became available following the conversion of the Kiev-class carrier Admiral Gorshkov into the INS Vikramaditya for the Indian navy. Top Russian and Indian officials are expected to participate in a departure ceremony for the Vikramaditya in mid-November.

    After some studies, Sevmash expressed a preference for repairing the Nakhimov, a decision supported by the defense ministry, which is expected to issue an order for the work after the Vikramaditya is formally handed over to the Indian navy. By volume and complexity, the work to be done on the modernization and refit of the Nakhimov will be close to that done on the Gorshkov/Vikramaditya.

    Meanwhile, the condition of the Admiral Kuznetsov has been gradually deteriorating following a major, four-year-long repair completed in 2004, due to a lack of high-quality repair facilities at Severomorsk, near Murmansk, where the ship is based. With Sevmash working at capacity on submarines and eventually the Nakhimov, only the Baltic Shipyard in St. Petersburg is capable of building or refitting the largest capital ships. But the Baltic Sea region’s status as a nuclear weapon-free zone has complicated prospects for repairing the Kuznetsov.

    The Kuznetsov carries Sukhoi Su-33 single-seat interceptors and Su-25UTG two-seat subsonic trainers with limited land-strike capability, as well as Kamov Ka-27/29 helicopters. The ship’s advertised capacity is 50 fixed-wing and rotary-wing aircraft, but the Russian navy does not make public the exact numbers of aircraft on board the ship. The number of Su-33s is estimated to fall between 15 and 20. Last year, the defense ministry placed an order for 24 MiG-29K/KUBs to supplement and eventually replace in-service Su-33s.

    As it stands, the long-needed modernization and refit of the Kuznetsov will either be postponed again or may never happen. A next-generation carrier of similar displacement (55,000 to 60,000 tons) under development by the Nevskoye Design Bureau could take the ship’s place. However, the Kremlin has not decided whether such a ship will be constructed.

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    Post  medo on Mon Oct 21, 2013 4:46 pm

    I don't think Kuznetsov is in any danger. It will get its new air squadron with Mig-29K/KUB. Ship was not that long ago repaired and not so often on sea, so it could easily wait Nakhimov to be repaired and modernized. On the other hand Nakhimov is top priority, because Pacific fleet need that cruiser to work with and defend new Mistral ships in open sea.

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    Post  Flyingdutchman on Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:01 pm

    When the kuznetsov will deploy to syria end of the year will it carry su-33 or mig-29k or a mix?

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:10 am

    Well that is good news as it means two important things... first that the Nakhimov is getting a full refit likely including everything... propulsion, sensors, electronics, and weapons and systems.

    Second that a nuclear free Baltic means the K can't be upgraded there... clearly they are going to add nuclear propulsion to the K which has only been speculation so far...

    How many Russian Mig-29Ks have been delivered?

    I would expect if it sails to Syria any time soon it will probably have a mix though the Mig-29K will be the most potent fighter on board...


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    Post  Flyingdutchman on Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:02 am

    GarryB wrote:Well that is good news as it means two important things... first that the Nakhimov is getting a full refit likely including everything... propulsion, sensors, electronics, and weapons and systems.

    Second that a nuclear free Baltic means the K can't be upgraded there... clearly they are going to add nuclear propulsion to the K which has only been speculation so far...

    How many Russian Mig-29Ks have been delivered?

    I would expect if it sails to Syria any time soon it will probably have a mix though the Mig-29K will be the most potent fighter on board...
    The only thing i know about the mig-29k is that the delivery started in 2010 but i think there will be enough for an entire airwing.

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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  SOC on Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:29 am

    GarryB wrote:Second that a nuclear free Baltic means the K can't be upgraded there... clearly they are going to add nuclear propulsion to the K which has only been speculation so far...
    Don't the SS-N-19s have nuclear warheads, or were those removed or dearmed?

    GarryB wrote:How many Russian Mig-29Ks have been delivered?
    I know of at least two flying around Yeysk this summer.

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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News

    Post  dionis on Tue Oct 22, 2013 6:35 pm

    The fact that there is only one dry dock large enough to work on ships of that size is pretty pathetic. Neutral

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