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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  arpakola on Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:37 pm

    http://goo.gl/maps/AB3ok
    About 200 fighters from Right Sector prepare to storm MVD headquarters in Poltava

    Боевые вертолёты ночью в ливень над Днепропетровском

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:49 pm


    Clearly it looks like it will be a matter of time.. weeks but most likely months that the Eastern part of Ukraine and
    probably the southern part will declare independence and split from Ukraine. Since Ukraine is bankrupt and will never recover
    its economy again ,The question is not IF.. but how much weeks or months to happen. Question i have..
    In what way will benefit Russian economy and strategically to have all eastern side and south of ukraine?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  arpakola on Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:56 pm


    unrest in Kharkov.
    Banderas getting their a$$e$ kicked

    http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/politics/3348476-donetskaia-y-luhanskaia-oblasty-uzhe-poteriany-dlia-ukrayny-chornovyl

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    Afgan veteran defending motherland once again




    capturing city admin in Kramatorsk:

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  arpakola on Sat Apr 12, 2014 4:16 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZvTpJOrRLoM

    Mariupol':



    http://rt.com/news/ukraine-nationalist-call-mobilization-184/

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:20 pm

    arpakola wrote:http://goo.gl/maps/AB3ok
    About 200 fighters from Right Sector prepare to storm MVD headquarters in Poltava

    Looks like they're pissed off at the Poltava Police for arresting several bus loads of RS fighters who were heading for Kharkov. Reportedly they were armed with all sorts of weapons and molotov cocktails

    Small map of insurgent towns....definately a pattern emerging....reports that Artemovsk has also risen (just east of Druzovka)


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  Austin on Sun Apr 13, 2014 3:31 am

    Interview with Alexander M. Kadakin, Russia’s Ambassador to India. By JOHN CHERIAN
    http://www.frontline.in/cover-story/russia-had-no-other-option/article5853768.ece

    ‘Russia had no other option’


    What was the rationale for Crimea’s accession to Russia?

    The most important, of course, was the will of the local people, which was very clearly expressed in the referendum of March 16. The will of the people was the guiding beacon for the Russian authorities. Apart from that, there were forces in Kiev which had accelerated the process in Crimea. The first thing the so-called new government in Kiev did was to pass a decree abolishing Russian as an official language instead of focussing on economic recovery. They rectified it later but it was a bad mistake on their part. It immediately alienated Crimeans and hastened the process [of accession].

    But, apart from all that, the Crimean situation is different from similar cases around the world. First and foremost, in 1954, Khrushchev whimsically decided to gift Crimea to Ukraine, where he was once the Communist Party chief. Never before had Crimea been with Ukraine. The Russian empire had fought three major wars with the Turks for Crimea and it was only during the time of Catherine the Great that complete possession of Crimea took place.

    In Ukraine now, very radical ultra-nationalist elements have entered the government who, unfortunately, are ruling that “satanic ball”. They are from western Ukraine, which was never originally part of that country. And Crimeans thought that with these forces having the upper hand in government, the lakhs of Russian lives laid down for Crimea would go in vain.

    More than one million Russians perished in the three wars. One hundred and fifty thousand Russians are buried in a cemetery in Sevastopol.

    And after the collapse of the Soviet Union, there has been complete neglect on the part of Kiev about the needs and requirements of the Crimean people. World-famous resorts there have fallen into ruin. Kiev was more preoccupied with its internal political struggles.

    How important is the port of Sevastopol for Russia?


    Even before 1954, Sevastopol had a special status as the base of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. It was always subordinate throughout its history to the central government in Moscow.

    What about the impact of the sanctions on Russia?

    Inconsequential. The world has changed. There is much more interdependency now. Russia has always been and continues to be against any kind of sanctions. We never joined the West-led sanctions against India in 1998, which is somewhat forgotten these days. Against the background of globalisation, any sanctions will boomerang. Europeans are not united on the issue. The German Chancellor has said that they do not want to have an economic war with Russia.

    President Obama has described Russia as a mere regional power.

    Only God can judge whether Russia is a regional or a superpower, and the American President is not God. What would you call a country that has the capacity to destroy the planet a thousand times?

    Russia was suspended from the G8 and there was a call by the Australian Prime Minister to keep Putin out of the G20 summit.

    Their discourteous language about Russian membership in the G8 and the G20 was unwarranted. If the G8 has done its job, so be it, but it is not up to any G20 member to either expel or not invite another member state. We are not bound to those formats and do not consider it a badge of honour.

    The G8 is just a gentleman’s club with no consequence. The G20 is definitely more important.

    Is Russia happy with the response of the BRICS nations and the result of the U.N. vote on Crimea?

    The response of the BRICS countries was constructive and well-balanced. We value the position they took. The outcome of the U.N. General Assembly vote was absolutely balanced. The vote has shown that there is a great force emerging now, which rejects the policies of a unipolar world. It reminds me of the golden days of the Non-Aligned Movement.

    Is Russia not unhappy with India and China for abstaining from the U.N. vote?


    Not at all. President Putin in his Kremlin speech after the incorporation of Crimea emphatically thanked the Indian and Chinese governments for their far-sighted and objective position. He also singled out India for its constructive approach.

    Is the continued expansion of NATO a concern?

    Unfortunately, double standards and deceit have always been the guiding principles of our partners. They had given assurances to the Soviet Union and Russia that they would not move to our borders. Now Poland, the Czech Republic and the Baltic republics that were part of the USSR are members of NATO. Then what are their promises worth? Not even a paisa.

    There was betrayal even in Ukraine.

    Yes. What was the value of the agreement the three Foreign Ministers signed in Kiev? One day Yanukovich was very much at the helm and the next day the agreement was discarded like toilet paper by the West.

    The West has been using the pretext of a Russian military build-up on the Ukraine border to ratchet up the tensions.

    We do have to protect Russia from the instability in the neighbouring countries and even fraternal countries. Look what happened yesterday in Kiev. Those bandits stormed the Parliament building. Putin had clearly stated that he did not want any fragmentation of Ukraine. He said that he wanted a prosperous and stable Ukraine. Chaos in Ukraine is not in Russia’s national interest.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  macedonian on Sun Apr 13, 2014 4:27 am

    Anyone got any fresh info about what's going on in the east?
    And I don't mean Facebook posts by putchist regime wankers, but actual news from people on the ground.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sun Apr 13, 2014 4:30 am

    macedonian wrote:Anyone got any fresh info about what's going on in the east?
    And I don't mean Facebook posts by putchist regime wankers, but actual news from people on the ground.

    I think we should wait for "flamming_python" to start his news feed. He is currently at "mp.retarded", arguing with retards.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  arpakola on Sun Apr 13, 2014 4:46 am

    Kramatorsk:
    happened yesterday  in Kramatorsk, where local element stormed local police station.
    one policeman is reportedly wounded.




    Kramatorsk, they say they are peoples army, and refuse Kievan junta as new governmen



    NazGuard or Reserve lads disarmed by locals near Artemovsk. Disgusting, "fake paratroopers", except officers, driving bus with VDV flag. Pidors of Junta really have stronk "creative".


    Those 70, presumably, Right Sector guys arrested today in Poltava:



    Information about the alleged ongoing Slovyansk raid - another duck from the Kiev authorities . Earlier - that the military operation began in his " Facebook " wrote Acting Interior Minister ****n Avakov .- About half an hour ago near the village of Semenivka BTR opened fire . Suffered simple local fisherman . Apparently, he was taken for a member of group self-defense because he was dressed in camouflage clothing , - said Vyacheslav activist self-defense detachment . According to the source , the victim was seriously wounded in the chest. Fighting for his life , doctors at the local hospital .


    http://napoleon-6.livejournal.com/210011.html


    Small map of insurgent towns....definately a pattern emerging....reports that Artemovsk has also risen (just east of Druzovka)

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  macedonian on Sun Apr 13, 2014 4:52 am

    This British guy, Tweets from the ground in Sloviansk.
    Plenty of pics.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  flamming_python on Sun Apr 13, 2014 5:42 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    macedonian wrote:Anyone got any fresh info about what's going on in the east?
    And I don't mean Facebook posts by putchist regime wankers, but actual news from people on the ground.

    I think we should wait for "flamming_python" to start his news feed. He is currently at "mp.retarded", arguing with retards.

    **shuffling papers**

    Well basically:

    - Slavyansk is going to shit. SBU co-ordinating the storm of the town; airport taken over already. Up-to 150 Spetsnaz, 2 helicopters, reports of BTRs. 1 dead, 5 wounded on their side, at least 3 wounded on the pro-Russian militia's side. Allegedly even Pravyj Sektor has arrived there now http://russian.rt.com/article/27578
    Of course though all this info is far from reliable, but it's all we got.
    - another town captured today; Enakiyevo - allegedly the SBU building, city administration and prosecutor's office have been taken over. Unsure though if its just unarmed local protestors who rose up, or a militia group arrived and did the work
    - huge amount of protestors expected to show up in central Kharkov today; carrying on from the protest yesterday. Currently the Kharkov Euromaidan is co-ordinating its actions from the regional administration building allegedly. We might see it getting flushed out of there.
    - Kharkov Spetsnaz "Sokol" has raided the Pravyj Sektor HQ in Kharkov. Unclear on whose orders, and who they are loyal to.
    - Poltava police arrested 70 Pravyj Sektor activists yesterday, on their way to fight the anti-Maidanists in Kharkov. Before - they never used to bother them.

    Regime is with its back to the wall and may ultimately use military force; that's IMO anyway.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  flamming_python on Sun Apr 13, 2014 5:47 am

    Oh yeah then there's this Very Happy

    Small Buddhist-Maidan rally took place in Lugansk yesterday.

    Got trolled hard by just one guy:


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  navyfield on Sun Apr 13, 2014 6:28 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    Clearly it looks like it will be a matter of time.. weeks but most likely months that the Eastern part of Ukraine and
    probably the southern part will declare independence and split from Ukraine. Since Ukraine is bankrupt and will never recover
    its economy again ,The question is not IF.. but how much weeks or months to happen. Question i have..
    In what way will benefit Russian economy and strategically to have all eastern side and south of ukraine?
    it wont.
    Russias gdp growth is just above 0 and this would plunge it into bad recession .
    Every empire suffers from overreach and overextends itself ,thas why they dont want to charge ahead with unification idea ,20 mill people will demand same treatment like crimeans did -so that means 3x higher paychecks and pensions.
    145mill russia cant support that without consequences.
    For russia ideal would be a Ukranian federation east-west ,with westerners paying for ukranian gas bills Wink and with ability of east to separate on a referendum after some time when things get better.

    This way ukraine will be separated and divided like east-west Germany , and we know who won that  Cool

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sun Apr 13, 2014 6:30 am

    navyfield wrote:it wont.
    Russias gdp growth is just above 0 and this would plunge it into bad recession .
    Every empire suffers from overreach and overextends itself ,thas why they dont want to charge ahead with unification idea ,20 mill people will demand same treatment like crimeans did -so that means 3x higher paychecks and pensions.
    145mill russia cant support that without consequences.
    For russia ideal would be a Ukranian federation east-west ,with westerners paying for ukranian gas bills Wink and with ability of east to separate on a referendum after some time when things get better.

    This way ukraine will be divided like east-west Germany , and we know who won that  Cool 

    Moderators,

    We still don't have the emoticons for responding to this guy.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  GarryB on Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:04 am

    Military force on either side is not a solution...

    Hope they maintain law and order and peace and all the people of the Ukraine get to choose their destiny via a referendum.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  flamming_python on Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:04 am

    - NATO secretary general threatens Russia with increased isolation.

    And now to stop with such non-news, here is some real news:

    - Mariupol administration building seized by protestors
    - Some sources say that the Ukr. Spetsnaz forces have liquidated one of the pro-Russian militia checkpoints in/around Slavyansk; using grenade launchers among other weapons.
    - Ukr. forces around Slavyansk continously reinforced.
    - Pravyj Sektor attacked a checkpoint in Slavyansk; one injured (apparently from the pro-Russian militia), one dead (apparently from Pravyj Sektor)
    - One civilian heavily injured in Slavyansk by Ukr. forces (could be that fisherman written about earlier, mistaken for a militia member)
    - Apparently a Berkut unit, or former Berkut members, are part of the pro-Russian forces guarding Slavyansk.
    - Seems that the self-defense forces (pro-Russian militia) have set up a checkpoint along the road to the town of Dzherzinsk, Donetsk region. They seem to be locals from that town. They are also apparently unarmed, and claim that the main aim is observation of forces loyal to Kiev.


    Oh yeah and the Maidan rally in Kharkov yesterday; before they got their ass beat I guess


    - Some mixed feelings in Kazakhstan in regards to the Crimean annexation. Predictable unfortunately:
    http://thediplomat.com/2014/04/kazakhstan-opposition-fears-ukraines-russian-spring/

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  flamming_python on Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:05 am

    GarryB wrote:Military force on either side is not a solution...

    Hope they maintain law and order and peace and all the people of the Ukraine get to choose their destiny via a referendum.

    Yep and I fear that the armed militia groups are going to force Kiev's hand.

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    Post  flamming_python on Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:07 am

    Slavyansk locals' answer to the Ukrainian military helicopters


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  zino on Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:10 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    macedonian wrote:Anyone got any fresh info about what's going on in the east?
    And I don't mean Facebook posts by putchist regime wankers, but actual news from people on the ground.

    I think we should wait for "flamming_python" to start his news feed. He is currently at "mp.retarded", arguing with retards.

    **shuffling papers**

    Well basically:

    - Slavyansk is going to shit. SBU co-ordinating the storm of the town; airport taken over already. Up-to 150 Spetsnaz, 2 helicopters, reports of BTRs. 1 dead, 5 wounded on their side, at least 3 wounded on the pro-Russian militia's side. Allegedly even Pravyj Sektor has arrived there now http://russian.rt.com/article/27578
    Of course though all this info is far from reliable, but it's all we got.
    - another town captured today; Enakiyevo - allegedly the SBU building, city administration and prosecutor's office have been taken over. Unsure though if its just unarmed local protestors who rose up, or a militia group arrived and did the work
    - huge amount of protestors expected to show up in central Kharkov today; carrying on from the protest yesterday. Currently the Kharkov Euromaidan is co-ordinating its actions from the regional administration building allegedly. We might see it getting flushed out of there.
    - Kharkov Spetsnaz "Sokol" has raided the Pravyj Sektor HQ in Kharkov. Unclear on whose orders, and who they are loyal to.
    - Poltava police arrested 70 Pravyj Sektor activists yesterday, on their way to fight the anti-Maidanists in Kharkov. Before - they never used to bother them.

    Regime is with its back to the wall and may ultimately use military force; that's IMO anyway.

    Thanks. I'm disappointed by Kharkov, it's still full of ukrainian flags
    http://www.ustream.tv/channel/kharkov-antimaidan
    That city is the key. Once in "our hands" it can contain pressure from regime and "we" can therefore go south to Sich. (armchair general mode on)

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    Post  flamming_python on Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:19 am

    Allegedly a vid of the aftermath of a firefight between Pravyj Sektor and pro-Russian militia outside Slavyansk. Ukr. BTRs standing by
    1 dead, 1 injured on the pro-Russian side. Bunch of bystander's cars were hit. Apparently Pravyj Sektor took casualties too, but they made their escape by car.



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    Post  flamming_python on Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:21 am

    zino wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    macedonian wrote:Anyone got any fresh info about what's going on in the east?
    And I don't mean Facebook posts by putchist regime wankers, but actual news from people on the ground.

    I think we should wait for "flamming_python" to start his news feed. He is currently at "mp.retarded", arguing with retards.

    **shuffling papers**

    Well basically:

    - Slavyansk is going to shit. SBU co-ordinating the storm of the town; airport taken over already. Up-to 150 Spetsnaz, 2 helicopters, reports of BTRs. 1 dead, 5 wounded on their side, at least 3 wounded on the pro-Russian militia's side. Allegedly even Pravyj Sektor has arrived there now http://russian.rt.com/article/27578
    Of course though all this info is far from reliable, but it's all we got.
    - another town captured today; Enakiyevo - allegedly the SBU building, city administration and prosecutor's office have been taken over. Unsure though if its just unarmed local protestors who rose up, or a militia group arrived and did the work
    - huge amount of protestors expected to show up in central Kharkov today; carrying on from the protest yesterday. Currently the Kharkov Euromaidan is co-ordinating its actions from the regional administration building allegedly. We might see it getting flushed out of there.
    - Kharkov Spetsnaz "Sokol" has raided the Pravyj Sektor HQ in Kharkov. Unclear on whose orders, and who they are loyal to.
    - Poltava police arrested 70 Pravyj Sektor activists yesterday, on their way to fight the anti-Maidanists in Kharkov. Before - they never used to bother them.

    Regime is with its back to the wall and may ultimately use military force; that's IMO anyway.

    Thanks. I'm disappointed by Kharkov, it's still full of ukrainian flags
    http://www.ustream.tv/channel/kharkov-antimaidan
    That city is the key. Once in "our hands" it can contain pressure from regime and "we" can therefore go south to Sich. (armchair general mode on)

    I see a bunch of Russian flags, and huge crowds. Allegedly the pro-Maidan protestors have been chased out, some beaten.

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    Post  flamming_python on Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:33 am

    Apparently our old friend Stepan Bandera got toppled in Lvov today
    The source is 1 twitter post, so it would be nice to have others


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  zino on Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:42 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He1cJuX61Q4

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    Post  sepheronx on Sun Apr 13, 2014 9:23 am

    flamming_python wrote:- NATO secretary general threatens Russia with increased isolation.

    And now to stop with such non-news, here is some real news:

    - Mariupol administration building seized by protestors
    - Some sources say that the Ukr. Spetsnaz forces have liquidated one of the pro-Russian militia checkpoints in/around Slavyansk; using grenade launchers among other weapons.
    - Ukr. forces around Slavyansk continously reinforced.
    - Pravyj Sektor attacked a checkpoint in Slavyansk; one injured (apparently from the pro-Russian militia), one dead (apparently from Pravyj Sektor)
    - One civilian heavily injured in Slavyansk by Ukr. forces (could be that fisherman written about earlier, mistaken for a militia member)
    - Apparently a Berkut unit, or former Berkut members, are part of the pro-Russian forces guarding Slavyansk.
    - Seems that the self-defense forces (pro-Russian militia) have set up a checkpoint along the road to the town of Dzherzinsk, Donetsk region. They seem to be locals from that town. They are also apparently unarmed, and claim that the main aim is observation of forces loyal to Kiev.


    Oh yeah and the Maidan rally in Kharkov yesterday; before they got their ass beat I guess


    - Some mixed feelings in Kazakhstan in regards to the Crimean annexation. Predictable unfortunately:
    http://thediplomat.com/2014/04/kazakhstan-opposition-fears-ukraines-russian-spring/

    That article sucks, the diplomat isn't very well known for unbiased reporting.  They make it look like Kazakhs are worried, but there is obviously no need for worry, as Kazakhstan is already part of CSTO and Customs Union, so any annexation by Russia would be absolutely pointless.  Either people are ignorant, or the whole thing is just one big lie, which I am betting its a lie.

    Edit: With US Warships entering Black Sea, Russia should keep the vessels they acquired from Ukraine, and use them to blockade and allow them to be turned into artificial reefs. The US posturing and Russia allowing it is ridiculous. Russia should make it clear to US if they continue to posture, they will posture back, by actually stepping foot in Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua. Air defence systems and Navy ships, will make US gov shit themselves.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  zino on Sun Apr 13, 2014 9:42 am

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