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    Militarov
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    Re: Ka-52K for Russian Navy

    Post  Militarov on Wed Oct 26, 2016 10:44 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Militarov wrote:"but have troubles with transportation of missiles to Syria." - how so? They can transport S-400 but they cant transport ATGMs?


    Means we can't deliver yet because we're a little "behind schedule".

    Most likely, yea.

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    Re: Ka-52K for Russian Navy

    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 27, 2016 11:47 am

    Well the laser homing models should not be a problem, but IR guided versions might be the reason for the delay.

    BTW 30km range with a 30kg warhead and 90kgs in total weight... these are not just ATGMs.

    In many ways these are replacements for Kh-25L missiles... the new Russian Mavericks.

    I wonder why they have taken so long... they are basically SA-22s/SA-19 Grison type missiles with terminal guidance... a solid rocket booster that accelerates the missile to a high flight speed with a slim forward missile part that flys to the target with low drag and possibly a small sustainer rocket motor and in this case terminal guidance.

    A laser homer version should be quite straight forward, so perhaps the IR model is an imaging IR version... perhaps there is a datalink autopilot to get the missile within range of the target before the terminal guidance takes over... that would require lock on after launch capability for the IR guidance model and with the laser homing model an autopilot to get the missile close to the target before it starts looking for targets.

    An IR guided model that is fire and forget and able to find its own targets would be interesting... a ground vehicle with 40 tubes of these weapons could operate with a Pantsir air defence battery and stealth targets could be optically tracked and marked with a laser to shoot down with HERMES, or IIR missiles used to deal with a swarm attack.


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    Re: Ka-52K for Russian Navy

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:34 pm

    GarryB wrote:Well the laser homing models should not be a problem, but IR guided versions might be the reason for the delay.

    BTW 30km range with a 30kg warhead and 90kgs in total weight... these are not just ATGMs.

    In many ways these are replacements for Kh-25L missiles... the new Russian Mavericks.

    I wonder why they have taken so long... they are basically SA-22s/SA-19 Grison type missiles with terminal guidance... a solid rocket booster that accelerates the missile to a high flight speed with a slim forward missile part that flys to the target with low drag and possibly a small sustainer rocket motor and in this case terminal guidance.

    A laser homer version should be quite straight forward, so perhaps the IR model is an imaging IR version... perhaps there is a datalink autopilot to get the missile within range of the target before the terminal guidance takes over... that would require lock on after launch capability for the IR guidance model and with the laser homing model an autopilot to get the missile close to the target before it starts looking for targets.

    An IR guided model that is fire and forget and able to find its own targets would be interesting... a ground vehicle with 40 tubes of these weapons could operate with a Pantsir air defence battery and stealth targets could be optically tracked and marked with a laser to shoot down with HERMES, or IIR missiles used to deal with a swarm attack.

    Actually performance wise it looks more like something that looks like the AGM45 Shrike but going three times faster and has half the charge.

    The only analogues in term of offensive capability are the Lahat/Nimrut on the Tamuz vehicle and the dead JCM program. But both having 40/45% of the speed. In any cases the Hermes is simply amazing. And if they can stuff it under 100KG Russian helicopters would have an universal threat against everything that could enter their offensive and defensive enveloppe.

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    Re: Ka-52K for Russian Navy

    Post  medo on Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:50 pm

    Actually as I understand the article, Hermes have dual homing head in its nose with IR and laser channel. Laser channel will see target illuminated with laser designator, which could as well be from the geound and not necesary from helicopter and if there is no laser designation, than it will use its IR channel (most probably IIR). In development is also a version of Hermes with radar homing head.

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