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    Ka-52K for Russian Navy

    Post  Viktor on Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:48 pm

    So here we go ... aparently 16 Ka-52K will be based on each Mistral

    Defense Ministry bought 32 decked Ka-52K


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    Re: Ka-52K for Russian Navy

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Apr 08, 2014 2:38 pm

    Viktor wrote:So here we go ... aparently 16 Ka-52K will be based on each Mistral

    Defense Ministry bought 32 decked Ka-52K


    That's an insane amount of firepower if you think about, especially if the "copters" come equipped with 40-100km ranged Hermes multi-purpose missiles!

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    Re: Ka-52K for Russian Navy

    Post  TR1 on Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:06 pm

    Hermes will never get 100km or anywhere near that sort of range from a Helicopter.

    Let's get a 40km version in service before we talk of such wild numbers Wink.

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    Re: Ka-52K for Russian Navy

    Post  medo on Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:14 pm

    Viktor wrote:So here we go ... aparently 16 Ka-52K will be based on each Mistral

    Defense Ministry bought 32 decked Ka-52K


    Not all at once. There will be 8 Ka-52K on Mistral, but buying 16 for each Mistral means rotation of helicopters on tours, for longer service life as well as for reserve for lost helicopters.

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    Re: Ka-52K for Russian Navy

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:50 pm

    TR1 wrote:Hermes will never get 100km or anywhere near that sort of range from a Helicopter.

    Let's get a 40km version in service before we talk of such wild numbers Wink.

    Ahh, TR1 always the pessimist.  Can a man dream? Was man never supposed to fly? Was man never meant to leave Earth's Orbit? I dream of a world of no disease, no famine, no war, and a Hermes missile that's air-launched with a 100km range. Cool

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    Re: Ka-52K for Russian Navy

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:19 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    TR1 wrote:Hermes will never get 100km or anywhere near that sort of range from a Helicopter.

    Let's get a 40km version in service before we talk of such wild numbers Wink.

    Ahh, TR1 always the pessimist.  Can a man dream? Was man never supposed to fly? Was man never meant to leave Earth's Orbit? I dream of a world of no disease, no famine, no war, and a Hermes missile that's air-launched with a 100km range. Cool

    Well 100km from heliborne launch is not possible it would need to be launched at least from 8km altitude just to surpass 50km mark and it would need a slow burning motor for high altitude launches so it is not suitable for heliborne missions. 20km is easy with the Hermes and the figures we know about it and 40km would be in the figure of future Hermes development to have the longer arm to full fill SEAD/DEAD missions without endangering itself.

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    Re: Ka-52K for Russian Navy

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:48 pm

    TR1 wrote:Hermes will never get 100km or anywhere near that sort of range from a Helicopter.

    Let's get a 40km version in service before we talk of such wild numbers Wink.

    Even the exportable surface-launched version of Germes, with a 210 mm first stage, has a range of 100 km. Let's also keep in mind that the missiles for Germes, Pantsir', and Palash are controlled during the first stage burn.


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    Re: Ka-52K for Russian Navy

    Post  TR1 on Wed Apr 09, 2014 1:55 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    TR1 wrote:Hermes will never get 100km or anywhere near that sort of range from a Helicopter.

    Let's get a 40km version in service before we talk of such wild numbers Wink.

    Ahh, TR1 always the pessimist.  Can a man dream? Was man never supposed to fly? Was man never meant to leave Earth's Orbit? I dream of a world of no disease, no famine, no war, and a Hermes missile that's air-launched with a 100km range. Cool

    Realist my friend Wink .

    The reality is not so bad to rely on pipe dreams. Ka-52 is a kick ass helo as is.
    Also let us not forget 10 years ago it seemed certain the Ka-50 program was dead, with no hope for revival!
    And now there are hundreds of new attack helos on orders, and several dozen delivered each year.

    Naval Ka-52K is not something I could have even dreamed of.

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    Re: Ka-52K for Russian Navy

    Post  mutantsushi on Wed Apr 09, 2014 5:42 am

    what operational point is there in 100km range from a helicopter? how is it acquiring targets?

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    Re: Ka-52K for Russian Navy

    Post  collegeboy16 on Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:08 am

    mutantsushi wrote:what operational point is there in 100km range from a helicopter?  how is it acquiring targets?
    i too think 40km is enough. anything bigger and you need a jet.

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    Re: Ka-52K for Russian Navy

    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:33 am

    what operational point is there in 100km range from a helicopter? how is it acquiring targets?

    Hermes comes with a range of targeting options... From memory there was satellite guided (GLONASS), semi active laser spot homing, IR, and MMW Radar guidance options with the first part of the trajectory being radio command.

    The extended range is intended to allow standoff launch capability to protect the helos.

    Note of course with a RVV-BD missile it could shoot down enemy aircraft 200km+ away too...  Twisted Evil 


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    Re: Ka-52K for Russian Navy

    Post  Vann7 on Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:34 pm

    Ka-52s can fly very low and avoid any warship radar up to 40km distance from it ,when the the line of sight ends and launch an anti ship missile. They also can become the early warning system ,the eyes of low flying enemy planes too of a warship formation. What will be cool is small range Kalibers ~50km ,launched from Ka-52s.

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    Re: Ka-52K for Russian Navy

    Post  medo on Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:07 pm

    I think Ka-52K will use Kh-31 missile, maybe in both versions, anti-ship and anti-radar, as it will have proper radar in nose and excellent ESW, which could work with anti-radar missiles. This missile will give quite a long range to Ka-52K and if integration of anti-radar missile go well, than maybe even standard Ka-52 could use it placed on inside pylons.

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    Re: Ka-52K for Russian Navy

    Post  GarryB on Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:46 am

    Should add that the total capacity of the Mistral class vessels is 16 aircraft each so I suspect that 8 will be the standard compliment with 8 on land as a reserve till the next two are built... if they are built.

    If not then having extra aircraft is OK.

    I would suspect that for a Ka-52K they might adapt an IIR homing model Kh-38 for the role... 250kg HE payload and 80km range in the domestic version with totally passive guidance would be very useful in the anti ship role.


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    Re: Ka-52K for Russian Navy

    Post  George1 on Sat Aug 02, 2014 10:19 pm

    Russian Defense Ministry plans to buy 32 Ka-52K helicopters for Mistral ships

    Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov visited the Progress aircraft manufacturing company, based in the city of Arsenyevsk, Primorye Territory, where he discussed potential acquisitions of Kamov Ka-52K ship-based helicopters for Mistral-class helicopter carriers, the Russian Defense Ministry said in a press release, seen by Interfax-AVN on Tuesday.

    "The plant is in a stable position and has a long-term contract on the delivery of 146 Ka-52 Alligator helicopters for the period up to 2020. Further plans include [the sale of] 32 ship-based helicopters," Borisov was quoted as saying by the ministry's press service. When commenting on a contract with Russia's Navy, the deputy minister said that the "Navy is expecting Ka-52 helicopters, which will be placed on board the Mistral-type ships currently under construction."

    orisov arrived in the Primorye Territory on June 24 to inspect the implementation of earlier signed defense contracts and analyze the production capabilities of local defense industry enterprises. The deputy minister positively assessed the way the Progress aircraft manufacturing company, which is a member of the Russian Helicopters Holding, has been fulfilling this year's defense contracts.

    Borisov visited the plant's sections where Ka-52 Alligator helicopters are produced, saying that the enterprise's work on the 2014 defense contracts has been successful and it is prepared to tackle next year's defense orders. During the visit, Borisov and the plant's management discussed a new deal on Ka-52K helicopter deliveries in 2015 and 2016. "We paid great attention to import replacement issues, including as far as components received from Ukraine as concerned. These issues are not critical. They can be resolved quite painlessly," Borisov said.

    t the end of his visit, the deputy minister watched a demonstration flight by a Ka-52 Alligator helicopter. Ka-52 is a new-generation helicopter that can be used in any weather and at night as well as in the daytime. It is a two-seat modification of the Ka-50 Black Shark attack helicopter and can destroy armored vehicles and low-speed air targets, carry out reconnaissance missions and coordinate groups of combat helicopters. The Progress plant is currently preparing to launch the production of Ka-52K helicopters for the Russian Navy. Progress is a hi-tech enterprise that specializes in manufacturing advanced helicopters.

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    Re: Ka-52K for Russian Navy

    Post  George1 on Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:44 pm

    The first three ship-based Ka-52K helicopters to be delivered to Russian navy in late 2014
    Russian Aviaton » Thursday August 7, 2014 09:05 MSK

    The first three ship-based Ka-52K helicopters to be delivered to Russian navy in late 2014, ITAR-TASS reports. It was stated by Sergey Mikheev, General Designer of Kamov design bureau, at “The innovations day of Russian Ministry of Defense”.

    "The first three Ka-52K helicopters intended for Mistral helicopter carriers will be ready by the year end, - Mikheev said. – They will be operated from Vladivostok ship after its delivery to Russia scheduled for late 2014”.

    The General Designer did not unveil the number of helicopters ordered by the Ministry of Defense. However, he noted that the vehicles of this type will be operated by the navy not only as ship-based helicopters; they will also perform a variety of other tasks.

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    Re: Ka-52K for Russian Navy

    Post  Viktor on Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:06 pm

    Nice thumbsup

    Russian Navy receives first Ka-52KM naval helicopter

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    Re: Ka-52K for Russian Navy

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:54 pm

    Viktor wrote:Nice  thumbsup

    Russian Navy receives first Ka-52KM naval helicopter

    Very nice.
    Now the Ka-52 is the only Attack Helicopter capable to destroy vessels larger than a patrol boat and 300km is an insane range for an Attack Helicopter.

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    Re: Ka-52K for Russian Navy

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:17 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Nice  thumbsup

    Russian Navy receives first Ka-52KM naval helicopter

    Very nice.
    Now the Ka-52 is the only Attack Helicopter capable to destroy vessels larger than a patrol boat and 300km is an insane range for an Attack Helicopter.

    Ka-52 has lots of potential, it would be nice if they (Kamov) could create a helicopter hybrid between the Ka-52 and Ka-226, a larger more modular Ka-52 maybe in the same class as the Mi-26 (as a direct competitor) a mulitpurpose helicopter that was not necessarily a "military only" helicopter but still retained a major footprint. We could see versions for rescue operations within EMERCOM structure, but who am I kidding? I just want to see an attack/scout helicopter like the Ka-52 in the same class as the Mi-26 for my sadist fascination! Twisted Evil

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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:27 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Ka-52 has lots of potential, it would be nice if they (Kamov) could create a helicopter hybrid between the Ka-52 and Ka-226, a larger more modular Ka-52 maybe in the same class as the Mi-26 (as a direct competitor) a mulitpurpose helicopter that was not necessarily a "military only" helicopter but still retained a major footprint. We could see versions for rescue operations within EMERCOM structure, but who am I kidding? I just want to see an attack/scout helicopter like the Ka-52 in the same class as the Mi-26 for my sadist fascination! Twisted Evil

    Actually there was some project that never gone into production for heavy lifting and high capacity almost like chinook, the V-50 project.

    http://aviastar.org/helicopters_eng/kamov_v-50.php

    Not a kamov co-axial design because, such large aircrafts tend to have a lot of weight just through rotor blades and from their own weight those rotor blades bend pretty far, not really what you want on a co-axial design.

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    Post  medo on Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:13 pm

    Excellent. I hope we will soon see a picture of naval Ka-52KM. I don't know, if helicopter version of Kh-35 have 300 km range, but still very long arm for helicopter. I hope Kh-31A/P will also be integrated on Ka-52KM, because Kh-31P will be very important to support naval infantry operations.

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    Re: Ka-52K for Russian Navy

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:16 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Ka-52 has lots of potential, it would be nice if they (Kamov) could create a helicopter hybrid between the Ka-52 and Ka-226, a larger more modular Ka-52 maybe in the same class as the Mi-26 (as a direct competitor) a mulitpurpose helicopter that was not necessarily a "military only" helicopter but still retained a major footprint. We could see versions for rescue operations within EMERCOM structure, but who am I kidding? I just want to see an attack/scout helicopter like the Ka-52 in the same class as the Mi-26 for my sadist fascination! Twisted Evil

    Actually there was some project that never gone into production for heavy lifting and high capacity almost like chinook, the V-50 project.

    http://aviastar.org/helicopters_eng/kamov_v-50.php

    Not a kamov co-axial design because, such large aircrafts tend to have a lot of weight just through rotor blades and from their own weight those rotor blades bend pretty far, not really what you want on a co-axial design.

    Maybe they can go about having two rotary blade placements on the airframe like the Chinook, but both being co-axial rotary sets? BTW is there any news on the Ka-92 and the VK-3000 engines? While were at it, any news on the development of the Ka-90?

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    Re: Ka-52K for Russian Navy

    Post  George1 on Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:29 pm

    State testing of Ka-52K attack helicopters for Mistral helicopter carriers will be competed in 2015
    Russian Aviaton » Tuesday October 28, 2014 17:35 MSK

    State testing of Ka-52K attack helicopters for Mistral helicopter carriers will be competed in 2015, head of Russian delegation, Deputy Director of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC), Anatoly Punchuk, told RIA Novosti.

    FSMTC believes that the first Mistral will be delivered to Russian navy this year. After that it will be ferried to St. Petersburg-based Severnaya Verf (stands for Northern Shipyard) plant in order to fit the vessel with Russian weapons. This work should be completed in mid-2015.

    “This project is being implemented. In accordance with the schedule, the state testing of Ka-52K helicopter must be completed in 2015”,- Punchuk said at Euronaval 2014 exhibition held in Paris.

    According to him, four Ka-52K prototypes are under construction. “These attack helicopters will be based on Mistral helicopter carriers”,- the head of Russian delegation explained.

    The contract for delivery of two Mistral helicopter carriers was signed by DCNS (France) and Rosoboronexport in 2011. The value of this contract is €1,2 billion.

    USA is against deliveries of Mistrals to Russia and France threatened to terminate the contract many times under US pressure. However, experts believe that termination of this contract will not cause significant negative consequences for Russian Federation: France will have to pay a significant cancellation fee and Russia will be able to develop and manufacture its own analogue of Mistral.

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    Re: Ka-52K for Russian Navy

    Post  George1 on Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:46 am

    Ka-52K Helicopters to Make First Flights in 2015: Russian Helicopters CEO

    Ka-52K attack helicopters will be located on Mistral-class helicopter carriers, which France is obliged to deliver to Russia. The first helicopter are already constructed.

    The Sevastopol amphibious assault ship of the Mistral class at the STX Europe shipyard in Saint-Nazaire.

    MOSCOW, December 2 (Sputnik) – The first flights by Kamov Ka-52K attack helicopters for the Mistral class amphibious assault ships will take place in 2015, Alexander Mikheev, the head of Russian Helicopters company, told RIA Novosti Tuesday.

    "The helicopters of this type [Ka-52K] will be located on Mistral-class helicopter carriers, which France is obliged to deliver to Russia. The first helicopters are already constructed. The first trial flights of Ka-52K helicopters will take place in the beginning of 2015," Mikheev said.

    Russia and France signed a $1.6 billion deal for two Mistral-class ships in June 2011. The handover of the first ship, the Vladivostok, was scheduled for November 14, but did not take place.

    On November 25, French President Francois Hollande postponed the delivery of the Vladivostok to Russia over the situation in Ukraine.

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    Re: Ka-52K for Russian Navy

    Post  George1 on Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:45 pm

    Ka-52K for the "Mistral" can be based on other ships

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