sepheronx wrote:TheArmenian wrote:sepheronx wrote:They cancelled the 85 specifically for the engines but chances are same equipment for the 80 using the Russian engines.
Buyan M has indeed very limited sam capability. Hopefully there will be pantsir model or a different sam system more advanced than Igla launchers.
Both 85s will have Russian engines. The canceling of further ships was due to the excessive cost of this variant, it ended up costing almost as a Gorshkov frigate.
The Buyans used MTU German diesels. But they are being substituted by Kolomna built ones.
The only classes of vessels affected by politics are the ones on the Gorshkov and Grigorovich class frigates.
But I heard that they were replacing them with Russian engines as there is already various prototypes of the same type of ship based diesel electric engines, but of various sizes and capabilities.
That said, the 22800 project ship will probably be replacement for various types of ships for rough seas. Since Buyan-M proved itself recently, I imagine there will be a further demand for such a ship and the 22800 is probably just that - an ocean based Buyan-M. Hopefully with a more powerful air defense system though.
Buyan-M is sea-river class of ship and also very suitable for Baltic fleet, because it could well operate in Neva river and its delta as well as at Baltic coast. I wouldn't underestimate Buyan's air defense at all. It have quite powerful guns with its 100 mm gun and Duet 30 mm twin Gatling. Two Gibka complexes with Igla-S or Verba missiles are also quite capable and they all have all weather day/night capabilities. For the ship of its class, Buyan-M have quite powerful air defense coupled with very strong ESM equipment.