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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  hoom on Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:50 am

    Couple of vids via Balancer


    Do I see depth charges about 0:58? Shocked
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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  Hole on Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:29 pm

    It seems so.
    Also the rails on the deck means that the ships can lay mines.
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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:15 pm

    Sosna instead of Gibka? less probable Pantsir to me



    In the Russian Navy reported on the modernization of the project of small missile ships with the "Caliber"


    SEVASTOPOL, 1 June. / TASS /. The project of small missile ships 21631 (code "Buyan-M") is planned to be modernized and provided with new radio-technical weapons and air defense systems. This was reported to journalists on Friday by the head of the shipbuilding department of the Russian Navy Rear Admiral Vladimir Tryapichnikov.

    The Black Sea Fleet of Russia
    On warships and submarines of the operational-strategic association of the Navy on the Black Sea
    "In total, 12 ships are planned in the series, their further development will be updated taking into account progress in both the part of the radio-technical weapons and air defense," he said at the lifting ceremony of the St. Andrew's flag on the sixth ship of this series "Vyshny Volochok".

    Tryapichnikov noted that every ship in the series undergoes major sea trials. To date, five ships have been built - three are on the Caspian flotilla, two - in the Baltic Fleet. "This is the" Grad Sviyazhsk "," Uglich "," Great Ustyug "," Serpukhov "and" Green Dol ", today we participated in the solemn ceremony of lifting the flag on the sixth ship" Vyshny Volochek. "In a high degree of readiness is the ship" Orekhovo-Zuevo ", further -" Ingushetia "," Grad "," Naro-Fominsk ", as well as another ship that will also bear the name of one of the leading cities of the Russian Federation," he said.

    The head of the shipbuilding department of the Russian Navy added that the fleet will proceed to the construction and design of ships of the far sea zone, which will be based on the frigates of Project 22350.

    The small Vyshniy Volochok rocket ship, on which the St. Andrew's flag was raised, is a multipurpose ship equipped with modern artillery, missile, anti-sabotage, anti-aircraft and radio-technical weapons. He is the sixth ship of the modernized series "Buyan-M" and will be the only representative of this class in the Black Sea Fleet. The ships of this project have increased displacement and are equipped with the newest high-precision long-range missile weapons - the universal missile system "Caliber-NK", designed to destroy sea and coastal targets.


    Подробнее на ТАСС:
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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Jun 05, 2018 1:29 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Sosna instead of Gibka? less probable Pantsir to me



    In the Russian Navy reported on the modernization of the project of small missile ships with the "Caliber"



    SEVASTOPOL, 1 June. / TASS /. The project of small missile ships 21631 (code "Buyan-M") is planned to be modernized and provided with new radio-technical weapons and air defense systems. This was reported to journalists on Friday by the head of the shipbuilding department of the Russian Navy Rear Admiral Vladimir Tryapichnikov.

    The Black Sea Fleet of Russia
    On warships and submarines of the operational-strategic association of the Navy on the Black Sea
    "In total, 12 ships are planned in the series, their further development will be updated taking into account progress in both the part of the radio-technical weapons and air defense," he said at the lifting ceremony of the St. Andrew's flag on the sixth ship of this series "Vyshny Volochok".

    Tryapichnikov noted that every ship in the series undergoes major sea trials. To date, five ships have been built - three are on the Caspian flotilla, two - in the Baltic Fleet. "This is the" Grad Sviyazhsk "," Uglich "," Great Ustyug "," Serpukhov "and" Green Dol ", today we participated in the solemn ceremony of lifting the flag on the sixth ship" Vyshny Volochek. "In a high degree of readiness is the ship" Orekhovo-Zuevo ", further -" Ingushetia "," Grad "," Naro-Fominsk ", as well as another ship that will also bear the name of one of the leading cities of the Russian Federation," he said.

    The head of the shipbuilding department of the Russian Navy added that the fleet will proceed to the construction and design of ships of the far sea zone, which will be based on the frigates of Project 22350.

    The small Vyshniy Volochok rocket ship, on which the St. Andrew's flag was raised, is a multipurpose ship equipped with modern artillery, missile, anti-sabotage, anti-aircraft and radio-technical weapons. He is the sixth ship of the modernized series "Buyan-M" and will be the only representative of this class in the Black Sea Fleet. The ships of this project have increased displacement and are equipped with the newest high-precision long-range missile weapons - the universal missile system "Caliber-NK", designed to destroy sea and coastal targets.


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    Super Buyan??
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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  George1 on Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:16 am

    Small rocket ships "Grad Sviyazhsk" and "Velikiy Ustyug" pass from the Caspian Sea to the Black Sea

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    As reported on the web resource fleetphoto.ru, on June 4, 2018 small missile ships "Grad Sviyazhsk" and "Velikiy Ustyug" of project 21631 (cipher "Buyan-M") of the Caspian flotilla were photographed on the Don river in the Rostov-on-Don area , crossing the inland waterways from the Caspian to the Black Sea. It is reported that the ships pass, accompanied by a raid tug RB-10.



    "Grad Sviyazhsk" and "Velikiy Ustyug" are respectively the head and third in series of small missile ships (MRK) of Project 21631 (plant numbers 631 and 633) of JSC "Zelenodolsky" Plant. The head ship "Grad Sviyazhsk" was incorporated into the Caspian flotilla of the Russian Navy on July 27, 2014, and the Velikiy Ustyug was put into operation by the Caspian Flotilla on December 19, 2014. In addition to them, the second ship Uglich (plant number 632) is also part of the Caspian Flotilla, which was also delivered on July 27, 2014.

    As part of the Black Sea Fleet, there is now only one ship of the project 21631 - Vyshny Volochyok (plant number 636), commissioned on June 1, 2018 only. Two more small missile ships "Zeleni Dol" (serial number 634) and Serpukhov (plant number 635) are now part of the Baltic Fleet.

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:13 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Super Buyan??
    sound slike but frankly why keep making Buyans anyway?! I really hope he meant to upgrade existing series with say Sosna ir Panrtsir (sosnt more probable tho)

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  hoom on Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:45 am

    As reported on the web resource fleetphoto.ru, on June 4, 2018 small missile ships "Grad Sviyazhsk" and "Velikiy Ustyug" of project 21631 (cipher "Buyan-M") of the Caspian flotilla were photographed on the Don river in the Rostov-on-Don area , crossing the inland waterways from the Caspian to the Black Sea. It is reported that the ships pass, accompanied by a raid tug RB-10.
    Interesting.
    Temporary beefing up BSF for World Cup? (also those river monitors)

    Not like the Caspian really needs all that stuff & while other fleets are so desperately short of modern ships, BSF split with Syria effort makes sense to use that inland waterway redeployment option.
    I think thats first pic of inland waterway redeployment under own power too.
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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:19 am

    If they can increase the number of cruise missiles on hard these ships from 8 to let's say 16 or more, then having a bunch of such ships patrolling riverways large and deep enough to handle them would make great missile launches against adversaries located in eastern Europe to be hit and it doesn't effect the INF agreement
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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:32 am

    miketheterrible wrote:If they can increase the number of cruise missiles on hard these ships from 8 to let's say 16 or more, then having a bunch of such ships patrolling riverways large and deep enough to handle them would make great missile launches against adversaries located in eastern Europe to be hit and it doesn't effect the INF agreement

    meeh for this Iskander - cruise missile is already ready. And modernization is about avionics and AAD systems Smile
    To me Tass message is not clear - are they going to modernize existing Buyans or to update project and to build more?! if more WTF 21631 + 22800 and 22160 in the same category ?! affraid affraid affraid



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    Temporary beefing up BSF for World Cup? (also those river monitors)
    .

    My bet is on Azov Sea and Ukropistan Smile
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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:48 am

    Not enough iskanders in service. Plus, they are short range so within easy striking distance for air launched cruise missiles.
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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:21 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Not enough iskanders in service.

    What a Face What a Face What a Face Iskander brigades are massively deployed over Russia, not sure what you meant




    Plus, they are short range so within easy striking distance for air launched cruise missiles.
    As long as INF is not dead yes. Iskander-K is based on Kalibr...
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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  Hole on Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:45 am

    There are 12 Brigades each with 12 launchers with 2 missiles each. This are 288 ready to launch ballistic or cruise missiles with a range of 450/300 km. And this air-launched cruise missiles would have to pass the russian air defence. Even if a few would get trough, they are so slow that the Iskanders wouldn´t be there anymore.


    Me thinks they want to modernise existing ships, not building new ones. The Karakurts are more flexible.

    Russia should put some USKS on river barges. Much cheaper.
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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:12 pm

    Hole wrote:There are 12 Brigades each with 12 launchers with 2 missiles each. This are 288 ready to launch ballistic or cruise missiles with a range of 450/300 km.

    Iskander was tested (a ballistic one) 480. But I am sure it is designed to hit further. Cruise missile is far more range than 500km. 500 km i only technical restriction (or rather software one) for INF. This is actually Kalir.  For more important targets you have Kinzhal or the near future Rubezh/Avangard.



    Russia should put some USKS on river barges. Much cheaper.
    no, much more expensive since ships and infrastructure + only can move in canals/rivers.

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  hoom on Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:10 pm

    According to ppl over at Balancer BSF has taken over guarding gas infrastructure from the coastguard.
    The marine brigade took under the protection of the Black Sea gas producers.

    Patrolling of the Black Sea area, where Russian gas production platforms are located, is assigned to the 41st Guards Brigade of Missile Ships, Izvestia reports.

    According to the command of the Black Sea Fleet, the ships of the 41st Guards Brigade started round-the-clock protection of the fields of the state-owned company Chernomorneftegaz. Rotation of crews is held every 2 weeks. Small anti-submarine ships and rocket boats are involved in patrolling. Previously, this task was being handled by the Coast Guard of the FSB border troops.
    Why though? Presumably coastguard considered not strong enough to dissuade 404? Or will be busy with other World Cup stuff maybe?

    More canal action









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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  Hole on Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:28 pm

    You could put 100 or 200 long-range cruise missile onto a barge that costs only a few 100.000 Bucks. No violation of the INF treaty. They could be moved around the canal system and rivers.

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  hoom on Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:00 am

    At Sevastopol with radars reconnected already


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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  hoom on Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:50 pm

    All done.

    Back in the thread I was hunting around for close up pics to prove the mast was demountable & came to the conclusion that they weren't actually easily demountable, I'm pleased to be proven completely wrong pwnd

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  hoom on Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:19 am

    Well so much for guarding the World Cup, they are out the Bosphorus Suspect



    Combat stars for Kalibr launches?


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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  hoom on Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:45 pm

    12th Buyan-M to be laid down on 12th July
    https://flotprom.ru/2018/%D0%97%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B412/
    google translate wrote:On Thursday, July 12, at the Zelenodolsk plant named after Gorky, part of the Ak Bars shipbuilding corporation, a solemn ceremony of laying the twelfth small missile ship of project 21631 "Buyan-M" will take place. This was announced on Tuesday, July 10, in the press service of the enterprise.
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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  Isos on Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:09 pm

    hoom wrote:12th Buyan-M to be laid down on 12th July
    https://flotprom.ru/2018/%D0%97%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B412/
    google translate wrote:On Thursday, July 12, at the Zelenodolsk plant named after Gorky, part of the Ak Bars shipbuilding corporation, a solemn ceremony of laying the twelfth small missile ship of project 21631 "Buyan-M" will take place. This was announced on Tuesday, July 10, in the press service of the enterprise.

    What for ? They moved on karakurt, why keep building this outdated ship ?
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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:14 pm

    Isos wrote:
    hoom wrote:12th Buyan-M to be laid down on 12th July
    https://flotprom.ru/2018/%D0%97%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B412/
    google translate wrote:On Thursday, July 12, at the Zelenodolsk plant named after Gorky, part of the Ak Bars shipbuilding corporation, a solemn ceremony of laying the twelfth small missile ship of project 21631 "Buyan-M" will take place. This was announced on Tuesday, July 10, in the press service of the enterprise.

    What for ? They moved on karakurt, why keep building this outdated ship ?

    For it's original purpose: rivers and Caspian Sea

    Just because Buyans are now used to fill the numbers of Black Sea and Baltic fleets does not mean they will stay there forever

    Once Karakurts​ are delivered Buyans will be going back to their original posts and I think that there will be lot more than three of them in Caspian, that place is too good of a location to throw missiles across Mid East from safe location

    Several will stay in Black Sea Fleet for convenience sake and because Azov Sea is really shallow


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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  hoom on Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:24 am

    What for ? They moved on karakurt, why keep building this outdated ship ?
    Because there is an existing contract.
    Because Buyan-M is one combat ship thats been able to be put out consistently pretty fast & its better to keep building something thats been humming along than to change to a new type.
    Because its rumored the last 3 will be upgraded version with Pantsir-M.
    Because there is plenty of need for shallow water ops.
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    Post  Isos on Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:28 am

    hoom wrote:
    What for ? They moved on karakurt, why keep building this outdated ship ?
    Because there is an existing contract.
    Because Buyan-M is one combat ship thats been able to be put out consistently pretty fast & its better to keep building something thats been humming along than to change to a new type.
    Because its rumored the last 3 will be upgraded version with Pantsir-M.
    Because there is plenty of need for shallow water ops.

    Karakurt are able to do this in better way. They can also go further in open ocean.

    Contract could have been changed for a karakurt with no problem. That was the initial plan, replacing small units with karakurt.

    They also have few patrol boats with uksk vls for shallow waters.
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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  Isos on Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:34 am

    Several will stay in Black Sea Fleet for convenience sake and because Azov Sea is really shallow

    Who cares about this sea ? They can control it with much smaller ships than buyan. Ukraine navy is not a threat. The other navies can't go inside because you need a small boat so there is no big threat.

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  walle83 on Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:28 am

    If a vessel has been laid down it should be finished. This is just the thing Russia has problems with, comitment and long term planning.
    What if in a few years a new project comes along that is "better" then the Karakurts, will they stop building them to?

    This is such a waist of money and time. And Russia desperatly needs more naval vessels.

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