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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  navyfield on Sat Aug 16, 2014 11:39 am

    the ships are well armed as is , but still too slow production.

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  GarryB on Sat Aug 16, 2014 1:31 pm

    They have shown once they have mastered the production of a type they can produce them fast enough... you just have to look at the Kilos and Talwars to see that serial production is OK... it is one off new ships or boats of a class that takes time... problem with components from the Ukraine now will not help in the short term though in the long term will just make Russian boats cheaper.


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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  Mike E on Sat Aug 16, 2014 6:25 pm

    GarryB wrote:They have shown once they have mastered the production of a type they can produce them fast enough... you just have to look at the Kilos and Talwars to see that serial production is OK... it is one off new ships or boats of a class that takes time... problem with components from the Ukraine now will not help in the short term though in the long term will just make Russian boats cheaper.

    Man, all those "oh, but they build them so slow" comments must be driving you nuts! They complain about how this ship and that ship and a totally different ship are all being built "slow", while forgetting that those three ships are all getting built at one time (by "ship I mean ship classes).

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  Viktor on Fri Aug 29, 2014 2:12 pm

    Another project 21631 started its life

    Laid MRC "Ingushetia"

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  Mike E on Fri Aug 29, 2014 4:30 pm

    Viktor wrote:Another project 21631 started its life

    Laid MRC "Ingushetia"

    Seems like a never ending flood of good news today! Fine by me!

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  George1 on Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:54 pm

    3rd ship of the project 21631 handed to Russian Navy

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  George1 on Fri Nov 21, 2014 12:09 am

    Navy to Receive Six “Buyan-M” Ships to 2020

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  runaway on Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:15 am

    George1 wrote:Navy to Receive Six “Buyan-M” Ships to 2020

    There is some really heavy reinforcement if all ships are to operate in Caspian flotilla, besides further two have been laid down but no information on where they will operate. My guess is BF or BSF.


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    Post  Viktor on Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:52 am

    All tests are done and Caspian sea flotilla just got bigger

    Ship "Great Ustyug" adopted in the Caspian Flotilla

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  xeno on Tue Feb 03, 2015 12:49 pm



    OPS room on Град Свияжск
    I have never seen such a big display on the wall in any other russian warship's control room...
    Thank god Russians are improving...


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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Feb 03, 2015 12:52 pm

    Since when is a flat tv now a sign of improvement and everything else of weapons, radars, self defense suite and integration to network is not?

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    Post  xeno on Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:05 pm

    No, I've never said "weapons, radars, self defense suite and integration to network" are not...
    OPS rooms on Russian warships definitely need good big HD displays and modern consoles(like those on Type 45, horizon class - universal and standard 3 screen consoles), actually most of them look like a junk yard nowadays...
    And that is why I am looking foward to a pic of OPS room on 22350...

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    Post  TR1 on Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:04 am

    Some insider news:

    As of January 2015
    -4th hull is 76.4% ready
    -5th hull is 60% ready

    Plan is to give the BSF 6 hulls in total- mind you without reducing Caspian numbers in the long run.
    Talk of ordering some series of ships for North and Pacific Fleets as well. Apparently Zelenodogsk can look forward to plenty of orders.

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  George1 on Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:17 pm

    Russian Defense Ministry to order batch of ocean-going corvettes soon

    Construction of the ninth project 21631 (Buyan-M) vessel was started at the Zelenodolsk shipyards in Tatarstan earlier on Friday

    MOSCOW, April 10. /TASS/. The Russian Defense Ministry plans to order a batch of smaller ocean-going corvettes soon, Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov has told the media on Friday.

    "We will now be working on and placing contracts for smaller corvettes," Borisov said.

    The Russian Navy’s commander, Admiral Viktor Chirkov, has said that the yet-to-be ordered ships will carry the same weapons as smaller missile ships.

    "They will be slightly different in terms of their sea worthiness parameters," Chirkov said.

    Speaking of the prospects for building missile ships he said that "as many as necessary for maintaining the nation’s defense will be available."

    "The development proceeds towards universal long-range missiles, capable of being used against coastal and surface targets," Chirkov said.

    The frame of the ninth project 21631 (Buyan-M) vessel was laid at the Zelenodolsk shipyards in Tatarstan earlier on Friday. This is the last ship in the series ordered by the Defense Ministry.

    Taking part in the ceremony were Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov, navy’s commander, Admiral Viktor Chirkov, and Tatarstan’s Prime Minister Ildar Khalikov.

    Chirkov said such ships were meant for operation in warm seas.

    "We are yet to see where it will be based. The ship’s configuration is good for coping with tasks in any theater of combat operations," Chirkov said.

    The ships of project 21631 (Buyan-M) are multi-purpose river-sea vessels. The universal missile complex Kalibr-NK is the main weapon on board. At the moment there are three ships of this class in service - The Grad Sviyazhsk, The Uglich and The Veliki Ustyug. All are part of the Caspian Flotilla. Two more ships - The Zelyony Dol and The Serpukhov - will be delivered to the military this year.

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  medo on Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:54 pm

    Buyan-M is good missile corvette. They could modify it for ocean-going operations and maybe equip them with sonar and some torpedoes for anti-submarine operations and build them for Baltic, Northern and Pacific fleets for near coast operations and to replace old Nanuchkas.

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  sepheronx on Fri Apr 10, 2015 5:00 pm

    medo wrote:Buyan-M is good missile corvette. They could modify it for ocean-going operations and maybe equip them with sonar and some torpedoes for anti-submarine operations and build them for Baltic, Northern and Pacific fleets for near coast operations and to replace old Nanuchkas.

    Or if there is some extra room or maybe adjustment of the hull, they can even add in better air defense systems as well rather than just the Gibka.

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  medo on Fri Apr 10, 2015 5:10 pm

    They could replace back Gibka and Duet with Palma complex with Sosna missiles.

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Apr 11, 2015 1:49 am

    9th Buyan-M (Graivoron) has been laid

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1260913.html

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  TR1 on Sat Apr 11, 2015 10:14 am

    http://www.business-gazeta.ru/article/129946/

    Article about Zelenodolsk, what they they have been up to in all sorts of details.

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:04 pm

    TR1 wrote:http://www.business-gazeta.ru/article/129946/

    Article about Zelenodolsk, what they they have been up to in all sorts of details.

    Interesting article, thanks.


    The cheeta sounds like quite the ship. Looked it up, being almost 2,000 tons, I am wondering why not go with those? I would imagine they could make modifications to the design and replace those diagonal launch systems with a modular VLS system in its place for the Kalibr missiles and replace the anti air system with something else, like a navilized Tor or Pantsir.

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    Post  TheArmenian on Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:34 pm

    Incidentally, the name of the latest (9th) Buyan-M ship is GRAYVORON.

    It is named after a small town (population 6000 people only) in the western part of Russia.

    The funny thing is that VORON in Russian means: Crow

    So GRAYVORON sounds like Gray-Crow.

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:13 pm

    medo wrote:They could replace back Gibka and Duet with Palma complex with Sosna missiles.
    Wouldn't the best option be to just add Morphei SAM cassettes when they're ready? Or perhaps remove the 100mm gun and add a Redut? After all most of you say that naval guns are almost useless in today's naval warfare.

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  George1 on Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:08 pm

    Project 21631 ships "Green Dol" and "Serpukhov" were sent to the Black Sea for sea trials


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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:20 pm

    Hahahaha... guns on ships are obsolete like guns on fighter planes are obsolete... notice that guns are not stealthy yet F-22, F-35, and PAK FA all have guns...

    For a small patrol boat a decent calibre gun is critical... while a 2,500km range land attack cruise missile will likely never be used operationally and just be bling.

    On the other hand the UKSK launcher has anti sub ballistic missiles, but Medvedka is small enough to be fitted easily enough. Mevedka 2 plus Uran, would give adequate fire power along with a decent calibre gun. In terms of western ships that is frigate level fire power.


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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  George1 on Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:13 am

    2nd ship "Serpukhov" of "Buyan-M" series for the Black Sea started state tests


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