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    Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

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    Militarov
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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  Militarov on Sun Mar 27, 2016 4:31 pm

    archangelski wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    This is sort of sad.

    Yes, but better than nothing pending availability of Russian designed ones....

    Yeah, 2018-2019. at the best is not really short period.

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Mar 27, 2016 6:24 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    George1 wrote:Chinese diesel engines for small missile ships of the project 21631

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1813976.html

    This is sort of sad.

    Not sadder than Chinese stealth fighter projects running on Russian engines.  It's for a tiny, cheap, mass-produced corvette. Chinese engines make sense without the need to re-invent the wheel and just like many USSR ships used to be foreign-made. PLAN corvette fleet is one of a kind globally, built-up in just the past 4 years (30 vessels iirc), so they must be doing something right (i.e. copying MTU designs lol1 ).

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  Militarov on Sun Mar 27, 2016 6:45 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    George1 wrote:Chinese diesel engines for small missile ships of the project 21631

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1813976.html

    This is sort of sad.

    Not sadder than Chinese stealth fighter projects running on Russian engines.  It's for a tiny, cheap, mass-produced corvette. Chinese engines make sense without the need to re-invent the wheel and just like many USSR ships used to be foreign-made. PLAN corvette fleet is one of a kind globally, built-up in just the past 4 years (30 vessels iirc), so they must be doing something right (i.e. copying MTU designs  lol1 ).

    See how i look at it. I am not saying that Chinese engines are horrid or genuinely bad (even tho i doubt they come close to German counterparts). Russia tends to consider itself second most powerful military in the world, and likes to call own technical designs as "having no equal in the world". Russia is biggest country in the world, in top 15 in terms of population, top 5 in natural resources of all types... Now lets think about it for a moment, why in the name of God such country would not produce diesel engines in that very popular class, which has good sale options not only for domestic but also export customers.

    Imo there is no real way to justify such country to rely on foreign technology, especially on contract like these "Buy to install", even worse in case of something (fairly) simple as diesel engines. Licence production and buyoff of know-how i however can understand. Yes, there were 10 hard years in Russia post USSR disappearance and industry fell in deep canal, but still, crucial technologies and companies had to be saved. It reminds me alot of Serbia tbh, foreign companies buying our engine plants, shipyards, tool making companeis and then they would just close them so they can have free market for their own products, or start production of something unrelated and useless. Now we cant produce a pencil in this country.

    It sort of hurts knowing that small Finland has Wärtsilä, one of the major world maritime engine suppliers (and one of the best we can add).

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Mar 27, 2016 6:59 pm

    Well, I have seen various types of Russian engines for ship but read it will take some time. How long though? 2017 the earliest.

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  George1 on Sat Apr 02, 2016 9:03 am

    Russian Missile Corvette Serpukhov Joins Mediterranean Naval Group

    The Russian Serpukhov small-sized missile ship joined Russia's naval group in the Mediterranean Sea, the Black Sea Fleet spokesman said Friday.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — On Wednesday, Serpukhov left its naval base in the Russian southwestern port city of Sevastopol.

    "The ship entered the Mediterranean Sea and joined the naval group in the region," Сapt. 1st Rank Vyacheslav Trukhachev told RIA Novosti.

    Serpukhov is Russia's Buyan M-class corvette built as part of the Navy’s current shipbuilding program. The missile version of a Buyan-class corvette is typically armed with Kalibr (SS-N-27) anti-ship missiles, 100-mm and 30-mm guns, as well as Igla-1M air defense missiles.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160401/1037326033/russian-navy-mediterranean-corvette.html#ixzz44eNRFEUJ


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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  sepheronx on Wed May 18, 2016 5:01 pm

    Another Buyan-M corvette entered service

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed May 18, 2016 8:54 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Another Buyan-M corvette entered service

    Zelenodolsk Shipyard is really getting the job done. thumbsup

    Once they are done with Buyans they should be given contract for full sized corvettes. Definitely faster than crowd in Kaliningrad.

    Hell, if they can fit them into dry dock might as well get them to build frigates.

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  medo on Wed May 18, 2016 9:46 pm

    I think Zelenodolsk should build 3 more Buyan-M corvettes for Caspian flotilla.

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed May 18, 2016 9:52 pm

    medo wrote:I think Zelenodolsk should build 3 more Buyan-M corvettes for Caspian flotilla.

    No need, by that time 22800 Karakurt will be in full production so they can go with that. It is Buyan replacement after all.

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  sepheronx on Wed May 18, 2016 10:20 pm

    Sdelanounas link is dead and can't find it. Sometimes happens, dunno though. Wonder if I should just trash article or keep it and update it later?

    Edit: I decided to change it to Rumored since the link is dead and mentioned ill update it later.

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  hoom on Thu May 19, 2016 9:48 am

    Even if its launched, thats still about 8mths from Service (assuming same timeline as the last 2)...

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  TheArmenian on Thu May 19, 2016 10:56 am

    Sepheronx,

    I suggest you remove that info you posted.

    That corvette is not ready.
    It still does not have engines (German MTU diesels that are under sanctions).

    The shipyard is waiting for Chinese or Russian Diesels.

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  sepheronx on Thu May 19, 2016 1:24 pm

    Removed it. Yeah, when it's removed from Sdelanounas, raises a red flag.

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  ult on Thu May 19, 2016 11:54 pm

    Wait a minute. Vyshny Volochyok has been launched. I doubt they would do that without the engines.

    Here it is.


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    Post  calripson on Fri May 20, 2016 3:16 am

    Aren't the engines domestically produced in Saint Petersburg ?

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  Militarov on Fri May 20, 2016 3:39 am

    I thought they would fit either Russian Zvezda M507 or Chinese copy of MTU, both of which are more or less available almost instantly.

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  sepheronx on Fri May 20, 2016 5:12 am

    I'll hold off till more details follows. Better than speculation imo.

    Article I'll rewrite it, but instead of certainties, I'll just wait till concrete proof.

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  TheArmenian on Fri May 20, 2016 9:09 am

    ult wrote:Wait a minute. Vyshny Volochyok has been launched. I doubt they would do that without the engines.

    Here it is.


    Look carefully.

    The previous units were launched with the 100mm gun and most radars already fitted. This one is still a bare bones ship.

    My guess is that construction has been halted on it until the engines arrive. They may have placed it in water to clear space in the shipyard.
    It will have to go back in to have the engines and other stuff fitted and then only officially launched.


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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  zg18 on Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:11 pm

    "Serpukhov" passes through Turkish straits this morning.


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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  hoom on Fri Aug 19, 2016 8:16 pm

    Calibre launches at Nusra from Med

    “Today, at 10:55 a.m., Zelyony Dol and Serpukhov small-sized missile ships of the Black Sea Fleet carried out three launches of sea-based Kalibr cruise missiles on al-Nusra Front targets in Syria from the eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea during combat maneuvering,” the ministry said.
    I see 2 launches there, I guess the 3rd from the other ship?
    Rebels reported 3* 'Tochka' hits.

    Looks like a hot launch, I thought UKSK used soft launch?
    Really brings home how big the missiles are compared to the ship Shocked

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Aug 19, 2016 10:01 pm

    hoom wrote:.................

    Looks like a hot launch, I thought UKSK used soft launch?
    Really brings home how big the missiles are compared to the ship Shocked

    Yup, when it comes to firepower-per-ton no other non-nuclear vessel comes even close to these bad boys. And those cruise missile launchers run entire height of the ship.

    But this is nothing compared to what 22800 Karakurts will be. They will be packing same UKSK launcher but will be 150 tons lighter and 14 meters shorter. Glorious madness!!! thumbsup Cool

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  medo on Sat Aug 20, 2016 9:47 am

    Black Sea fleet ships now also launch cruise missiles on ground targets, not only Caspian fleet. And again it is done by Buyan-M ships, which is now proven LACM corvette. Now only Grigorovich frigate need to launch cruise missiles as Dagestan frigate launch its missiles too. I think NATO have now quite bad feeling about those small Buyan-M LACM corvettes in Mediterranean sea, specially as they could carry nuclear armed cruise missiles.

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  chicken on Sat Aug 20, 2016 1:21 pm

    hoom wrote:Calibre launches at Nusra from Med

    Looks like a hot launch, I thought UKSK used soft launch?
    Really brings home how big the missiles are compared to the ship Shocked

    The Cold launch looked like a 91R1 antisubmarine missile. The LACM launched last time looked hot launched too.

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  hoom on Sat Aug 20, 2016 1:57 pm

    Pretty neat trick to be able to support both launch types.

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    Re: Project 21631: Buyan-M corvette

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Aug 20, 2016 2:30 pm

    medo wrote:Black Sea fleet ships now also launch cruise missiles on ground targets, not only Caspian fleet. And again it is done by Buyan-M ships, which is now proven LACM corvette. Now only Grigorovich frigate need to launch cruise missiles as Dagestan frigate launch its missiles too. I think NATO have now quite bad feeling about those small Buyan-M LACM corvettes in Mediterranean sea, specially as they could carry nuclear armed cruise missiles.

    With the amount of Buyans and Karakurts that will be coming on line soon I don't think that there is a need for Grigorovich (or any other frigate for that matter) to carry land attack cruise missiles anymore. They can comfortably focus solely on anti ship role and be fully equipped with Onix missiles.

    Although they could use this opportunity to fire couple of them just for brag rights.

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