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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  franco on Fri Jul 10, 2015 3:05 am

    George1 wrote:On the border with Ukraine will be restored 10th Guards Tank Division

    Curious as to where all the bodies are coming from for all these new units but imagine we will soon find out.

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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  sepheronx on Fri Jul 10, 2015 8:44 am

    franco wrote:
    George1 wrote:On the border with Ukraine will be restored 10th Guards Tank Division

    Curious as to where all the bodies are coming from for all these new units but imagine we will soon find out.

    Conscripts should be higher now that Russia managed to make half of its army contract based rather than mostly conscript like it was years ago.

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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  franco on Fri Jul 10, 2015 10:01 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    franco wrote:
    George1 wrote:On the border with Ukraine will be restored 10th Guards Tank Division

    Curious as to where all the bodies are coming from for all these new units but imagine we will soon find out.

    Conscripts should be higher now that Russia managed to make half of its army contract based rather than mostly conscript like it was years ago.

    The demographic crisis that Russia was experiencing peaks as in regards to lack of 18 year old's to conscript in 2016-2018. It isn't until after then, that there starts to be more 18 year old's each year.

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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Jul 12, 2015 7:53 am

    franco wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    franco wrote:
    George1 wrote:On the border with Ukraine will be restored 10th Guards Tank Division

    Curious as to where all the bodies are coming from for all these new units but imagine we will soon find out.

    Conscripts should be higher now that Russia managed to make half of its army contract based rather than mostly conscript like it was years ago.

    The demographic crisis that Russia was experiencing peaks as in regards to lack of 18 year old's to conscript in 2016-2018. It isn't until after then, that there starts to be more 18 year old's each year.

    That is true, it will take a couple of years for them to have the amount of 18 year olds eligible for military service. But while previously, almost all 800,000 people were conscripts, it is now effectively almost half a million for both conscripts and contractors, as they were able to offshoot a lot of the tasks/positions to contractors. But if they were able to increase number of contractors as greatly as they have, I don't doubt they could easily muster up a couple more hundred thousand conscripts. Afterall, Russia is 146+ Million population, now added in Crimea as well.

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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:07 pm

    The 10th Gds Tank Division is suppose to be staffed with contractors

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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  franco on Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:05 am

    Another analysis of the Russian Tank force and projections;
    https://russiamil.wordpress.com/

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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  George1 on Tue Feb 02, 2016 5:54 pm

    1st Guards Tank Army was re-formed in the Western military district (ZVO). Russian Defense Ministry reported in 1st of February.

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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  franco on Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:59 pm

    Not sure if this was posted elsewhere but nice article.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ipT7Od8E6I

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    1St Guards Tank Army

    Post  par far on Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:26 pm

    Very nice to see that Russia is upgrading its Tank Army.

    http://southfront.org/russia-defense-report-1st-guards-tank-army/



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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  George1 on Thu May 26, 2016 9:49 am

    franco can we have an update on tank numbers per type?? thanks


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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  franco on Sat May 28, 2016 1:08 pm

    George1 wrote:franco can we have an update on tank numbers per type?? thanks

    The Tank force is undergoing a major transitional period over the next couple of years with ~ 20 new battalions being formed. This will increase the total of operational tanks by 800-900 units.
    As per numbers per type, the T-72B3 could be as many as 900 operational and the T-80's could be as low as 200 operational would be the only changes.

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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  Isos on Sat May 28, 2016 3:10 pm

    What are the diferences between an operational tank and a reserve tank ? Equipiment carried, engines issues, deployment time ...

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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  franco on Sat May 28, 2016 4:10 pm

    Isos wrote:What are the diferences between an operational tank and a reserve tank ? Equipiment carried, engines issues, deployment time ...

    Has a trained crew and is part of an operational unit ie tank battalion ready for action.

    A tank in reserve or storage is basically just a piece of metal Smile

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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  Isos on Sat May 28, 2016 6:56 pm

    franco wrote:
    Isos wrote:What are the diferences between an operational tank and a reserve tank ? Equipiment carried, engines issues, deployment time ...

    Has a trained crew and is part of an operational unit ie tank battalion ready for action.

    A tank in reserve or storage is basically just a piece of metal Smile

    Does they train their reserve forces ? I mean it's not the same to form a civil firing with an AK than forming him to use a tank.

    Another question about tanks also : If you fire on the turret where the gun is and penetrate the gun, will the tank be able to still use its gun after that ?

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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  franco on Sat May 28, 2016 7:20 pm

    Isos wrote:
    franco wrote:
    Isos wrote:What are the diferences between an operational tank and a reserve tank ? Equipiment carried, engines issues, deployment time ...

    Has a trained crew and is part of an operational unit ie tank battalion ready for action.

    A tank in reserve or storage is basically just a piece of metal Smile

    Does they train their reserve forces ? I mean it's not the same to form a civil firing with an AK than forming him to use a tank.

    Another question about tanks also : If you fire on the turret where the gun is and penetrate the gun, will the tank be able to still use its gun after that ?

    There is no unit reserve training...some but not much individual training and reserve units are on paper only. Would take months to be battle ready.

    No!

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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  Isos on Sat May 28, 2016 7:25 pm

    wiki M1 Arams wrote:For the M1A1HA, Zaloga gives a frontal armor estimate of 600 mm vs APFSDS and 1300 mm vs HEAT in M1 Abrams Main Battle Tank 1982–1992, nearly double the original protection of the Abrams.[8] In M1 Abrams vs T-72 Ural, he uses different estimates of 600 mm vs APFSDS and 700 mm vs HEAT for the front hull and 800 mm vs APFSDS and 1300 mm vs HEAT for the front of the turret.[9]

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    Why HEAT munitions are still used if sabot are better ?

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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  Werewolf on Sat May 28, 2016 8:24 pm

    Isos wrote:
    wiki M1 Arams wrote:For the M1A1HA, Zaloga gives a frontal armor estimate of 600 mm vs APFSDS and 1300 mm vs HEAT in M1 Abrams Main Battle Tank 1982–1992, nearly double the original protection of the Abrams.[8] In M1 Abrams vs T-72 Ural, he uses different estimates of 600 mm vs APFSDS and 700 mm vs HEAT for the front hull and 800 mm vs APFSDS and 1300 mm vs HEAT for the front of the turret.[9]

    while you are here franco Very Happy :

    Why HEAT munitions are still used if sabot are better ?

    Because SABOT's are useless against everything that is not heavy armored. They have absolutley no after armor effect on everything that is not a tank. They can not reliabely destroy a APC/IFV or any other light armored vehicle, useless against bunkers, fortifications for infantry, light cover or any unarmored vehicles. It punches a tiny hole and kills/destroys only what is right in its flight path but will not have high chances of igniting fuel in a light armored vehicle nor kill occupants of an APC. HEAT rounds create pressure, spall and still have alot of penetration value and still usefull against tanks and might even achieve sooner a mobility/firepower kill before any Sabot actually achieves an armor penetration and destruction of the tank or crew.

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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  higurashihougi on Sun May 29, 2016 11:56 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    wiki M1 Arams wrote:For the M1A1HA, Zaloga gives a frontal armor estimate of 600 mm vs APFSDS and 1300 mm vs HEAT in M1 Abrams Main Battle Tank 1982–1992, nearly double the original protection of the Abrams.[8] In M1 Abrams vs T-72 Ural, he uses different estimates of 600 mm vs APFSDS and 700 mm vs HEAT for the front hull and 800 mm vs APFSDS and 1300 mm vs HEAT for the front of the turret.[9]

    while you are here franco Very Happy :

    Why HEAT munitions are still used if sabot are better ?

    Because SABOT's are useless against everything that is not heavy armored. They have absolutley no after armor effect on everything that is not a tank. They can not reliabely destroy a APC/IFV or any other light armored vehicle, useless against bunkers, fortifications for infantry, light cover or any unarmored vehicles. It punches a tiny hole and kills/destroys only what is right in its flight path but will not have high chances of igniting fuel in a light armored vehicle nor kill occupants of an APC. HEAT rounds create pressure, spall and still have alot of penetration value and still usefull against tanks and might even achieve sooner a mobility/firepower kill before any Sabot actually achieves an armor penetration and destruction of the tank or crew.

    Moreover, kinetic bullet's power decreased as the bullet move on the way. That means, at far distance, penetrating power of APFSDS is much less that at near distance. Meanwhile, HEAT charge provides the same penetrating power disregard of the distance.

    In fact, ATGM are HEAT ammo with a robot brain and rocket engine.

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