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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Jan 30, 2016 1:31 am

    BKP wrote: Regarding what was said in the video, I'm not no expert, but some of this seemed questionable. She says something like "T-90 is becoming rapidly outdated," and is basically being outclassed by Uke Oplot and Chinese Type 96A. Then it's claimed that this is the reason why Thailand chose Oplot over the T-90. I didn't personally follow the details of that deal, and am not familiar with the details and what factors played into Thailand's decision.

    Anyhow, I've generally thought South Front is a pretty good alternative news source, but I'm quite dubious about some of what is said in this video.

    Pls do not take this personally I was pointing their way of presenting data.  BTW Thai delegation afte evident failure of Ukraine contract visited Moscow to negotiate possible contract what was not mentioned in this news.


    BTW 400 Armatas in 2015 is base don what exactly - no info/source provided so I cannot treat this kind of news otherwise as anti-Russian info war.
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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  BKP on Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:01 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    BKP wrote: Regarding what was said in the video, I'm not no expert, but some of this seemed questionable. She says something like "T-90 is becoming rapidly outdated," and is basically being outclassed by Uke Oplot and Chinese Type 96A. Then it's claimed that this is the reason why Thailand chose Oplot over the T-90. I didn't personally follow the details of that deal, and am not familiar with the details and what factors played into Thailand's decision.

    Anyhow, I've generally thought South Front is a pretty good alternative news source, but I'm quite dubious about some of what is said in this video.

    Pls do not take this personally I was pointing their way of presenting data.  BTW Thai delegation afte evident failure of Ukraine contract visited Moscow to negotiate possible contract what was not mentioned in this news.


    BTW 400 Armatas in 2015 is base don what exactly - no info/source provided so I cannot treat this kind of news otherwise as anti-Russian info war.

    Right, I have read they the Thais are possibly negotiating a deal with Russia now that the original one with Ukraine has soured. Of course, there's the question of why the Thais first picked Oplot over T-90. It's quite possible that other factors played into their decision other than simply which is the better machine. Cost and outside pressure come to mind. As I said though, I don't really know.

    South Front is certainly not typically anti-Russia. I'm not at all sure that this video was intended to be either. Could just be that they didn't have their facts straight on this.
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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:07 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    BKP wrote: Regarding what was said in the video, I'm not no expert, but some of this seemed questionable. She says something like "T-90 is becoming rapidly outdated," and is basically being outclassed by Uke Oplot and Chinese Type 96A. Then it's claimed that this is the reason why Thailand chose Oplot over the T-90. I didn't personally follow the details of that deal, and am not familiar with the details and what factors played into Thailand's decision.

    Anyhow, I've generally thought South Front is a pretty good alternative news source, but I'm quite dubious about some of what is said in this video.

    Pls do not take this personally I was pointing their way of presenting data.  BTW Thai delegation afte evident failure of Ukraine contract visited Moscow to negotiate possible contract what was not mentioned in this news.


    BTW 400 Armatas in 2015 is base don what exactly - no info/source provided so I cannot treat this kind of news otherwise as anti-Russian info war.

    400 T-14 not Armata's. Armata is the modular hull which can be produced in high numbers and before the tank was even unveiled they had produced more than 7 tanks not to mention how many testplattforms they might have. 2300 Armata's does not mean T-14 but all the various plattforms and 400 T-14 is already 400 more tanks which no other nation has of that level.
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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  Mike E on Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:12 am

    Guys, the plan is for 2,000 T-14's.

    Their numbers are off;
    A) There are almost already 1,000 B3's today, in fact they should be all replaced by T-14's at that point.
    B) 400 T-14's is probably made up. Even with economic insecurity that figure is way too low.
    C) More like 300 T-90M's from what we are hearing.
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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  kvs on Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:47 am

    400 is what Russia can produce each year currently. Anyone with doubts that 2000 will be built in 10 years needs to
    put the crack pipe down. The Russian budget deficit is 2.6% of GDP in the middle of this global recession. Brazil's
    budget deficit is 10% of GDP. It is rather easy for the Russian government to prioritize military spending. The 5th
    column has no traction with the Russian people in using this to generate discontent. Russians know that their military
    is their only safeguard. They have too many dead in their families from historically recent genocidal foreign invasions
    not to know this.

    It actually makes sense to make more T-14s rather than less. There are economies of scale associated with mass production.
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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  Mike E on Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:52 am

    The Russian deficit is no worse GDP-% wise than the "official" US deficit (which of course is BS - debt shoots up and the deficit falls down).

    400 annually is optimistic. 200-300 shouldn't be an issue given the amount of funding given to the Armata program.
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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:14 am

    Also since Uralvagonzavod is Russian, supporting them by buying their product will save them the money in the future in supporting them by handing them money so they don't make over 10,000 employees unemployed and have one of the few if not only armored system companies go into dust and have to then get the same goods from abroad. People are retarded when they cannot seem to even put this information together. Once you think about it, then it sounds dumb to make ridiculous cutbacks.

    Anyway, I think that the T-90AM upgrade is needed. If they can provide similar upgrade to T-72B's in service, then it would be even more ideal. Let us face it, things are getting sketchy in the world and as well, Russia would benefit from actually procuring such weapons and it would drastically increase the chances of other countries buying it as well for new purchases or upgrades to current T-90 tanks.
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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  Mike E on Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:34 am

    That as well. The Gov's support for UVZ was proven (again) when they gave additional funding this last December.

    Kind of unrelated, but apparent ChTZ has paid off debts & plans to increase production by 2.5 times in the not too far future.

    T-90M is not need IF T-14 can be put into service at the promised rates. If it can't, then the M would be a good substitute.

    T-72B's won't be getting any upgrades past the new one we just heard about, at least for Russia. There'd be no point.
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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  OminousSpudd on Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:50 am

    T-90AM would be more viable if the T-90A existed in greater stocks, with numbers closer to the T-72... But they don't so it isn't.
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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  Mike E on Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:53 am

    I hate to sound whiny but it is the T-90M not the AM. That's the way it was shown at Army-2015 so it's most likely official.

    The lower numbers are exactly why it is viable. Asking Russia to build 2,000 T-14's and some 1,000 M's (not to mention other vehicles and exports) is simply unrealistic.

    Don't forget the T-72B2, it was thrown out because it was too much.
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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  OminousSpudd on Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:11 am

    Okay, T-90M then. Wink

    I would tend to think that a larger stock of T-90s would represent a heftier return in an investment into an extended Tagil (or whatever name it goes by now, or was that just export?) program. Reduction in costs over time due to T-14 mass production and prolonged (due to theoretical larger stock) T-90 overhauls would mean an overall increase in cost-benefit ratios. A smaller stock means a large initial outlay cost for a reasonably small amount of gain.

    EDIT: As for T-72B2 I think not having the T-14 established at the time was the biggest issue. Componentry is cheaper when your big bro is already creating the demand and improving the prices.
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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Jan 30, 2016 6:42 am

    Besides B3, what other model is there for T-72 they mentioned that would be beyond it? or is B3 the last one?
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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  Mike E on Sat Jan 30, 2016 6:44 am

    Well, there are two.

    The B3M with the independent TC sight + 1130 hp engine.

    And the new one with new ERA, grate armour, plus the same 1130 hp engine.

    Nothing too crazy, but that's not a bad thing really.
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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:36 pm

    Mike E wrote:That as well. The Gov's support for UVZ was proven (again) when they gave additional funding this last December.

    Kind of unrelated, but apparent ChTZ has paid off debts & plans to increase production by 2.5 times in the not too far future.

    T-90M is not need IF T-14 can be put into service at the promised rates. If it can't, then the M would be a good substitute.

    T-72B's won't be getting any upgrades past the new one we just heard about, at least for Russia. There'd be no point.

    With T-72B3 can still be gradually transferred to Syria/Iran orsold on intl market.  But low number of T-90M IMHO you´re not correct that with T-14 they are not needed anymore. Still way better then  T-72 and probably way cheaper than T-14.
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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Jan 30, 2016 7:15 pm

    T-90AM is still the best option to face out older generation tanks that are either stored or planned to be faced out but are kept in storage due to lack of current plans to replace them. 2300 T-14's or not is still not a high number and russia should increase its number of tanks on T-90A or even T-90AM level which have a higher fidelity of technological level that will make them more effective to accompany T-14's on the battlefield due to higher protection and Kalina FCS that brings it about any foreign counterparts and closer to T-14's. We have to face the simple fact that US will through any NATO slave as human shields towards russia as long US exists and russia has to be prepared for either a long war or a financial decapitation that is focused to its limits and preferably beyond to put that demon out for once and for all.
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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  Mike E on Sat Jan 30, 2016 9:01 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:

    With T-72B3 can still be gradually transferred to Syria/Iran orsold on intl market.  But low number of T-90M IMHO you´re not correct that with T-14 they are not needed anymore. Still way better then  T-72 and probably way cheaper than T-14.

    "T-90M is not need IF T-14 can be put into service at the promised rates. If it can't, then the M would be a good substitute."

    B3's will be sold or given away once T-14 arrives.

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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  Vann7 on Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:18 am

    Russia is a very big country.. is a continent . And if Americans wanted to attack Russia it will
    do it the Syrian way ,by proxy with Foreign mercenaries /terrorist combined with traitors/criminals inside Russia and will do it after they manage to default Russia economy or
    get them isolated in the world from Europe.

    So Russia needs much more tanks than all the numbers told here.

    Russia already have near 1,000 T-90 tanks.. it will be good that they upgrade them to T-AM.

    Russia have near 5,000 T-72 old ones.. it will be good that Russia upgrade them to T-72b3.

    When it comes to Armata , Russia needs to secure many fronts , from very dangerous enemies local and external. That said..

    ~About 12,000 T-14/T-15/Boomerang.Armata tanks Russia needs.Surprised

    1)3,000 armata for the far east
    2) 500 for Caucasus
    3) 1,000 through all border with Ukraine ,
    4) 1,000 with border with baltics and stpeterburg.
    5) 1,000 near Russia artic near Norway.
    6) 500 of Kaliningrad.
    7) Another 3,000 in reserve for central Russia to be supplied to any place need.
    8)and another 1,000 tanks in the Area of Armenia in case needs to defend against Turkey.
    9)and about 700 for Crimea in case need to invade Ukraine from there

    the T-72 and t-90 tanks should be used against low level insurgency and Armata against
    well armed terrorist with NATO weapons. or NATO powers.
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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  Mike E on Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:39 am

    Rolling Eyes

    I'll leave it at that
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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:21 am

    T-90AM would still be a good vehicle in places where the enemy is not state of the art... for instance in Syria or Afghanistan where the most expensive vehicles are not needed but you still want to protect your crewmen.

    AFAIK T-90AM is not an upgrade however... they would be new build tanks.

    AFAIK the Russians and Soviets had a tradition of training on older obsolete tanks and then having transition training to the new vehicles to reduce wear and tear on their new vehicles... a bit like learning navigation with a compass and paper map and doing exercises with them and then for one training session use GLONASS and tablets...

    T-90s would make good reserve vehicles too as older trained troops mobilised will be more familiar with the T-72 based vehicle too.

    And of course finally even with 2,000 Armata based MBTs currently they have a total of 6,000 MBTs in service limited by the CFE treaty, though they have withdrawn from that they have not added that many new units so numbers would be about this.

    Armata is the heavy vehicle family that might make up 20% 0r 30% of the whole force, so I would expect 2000 Armata MBTs, probably 1,000 Kurganets MBTs, and 2,000 Boomerang MBTs and 1,000 Typhoon MBTs.

    The wheeled vehicles being much cheaper to buy and to operate and with modern sensors and weapons and self defence systems should be very capable systems.

    T-72B3s would be rather capable tanks and would be first line tanks in more than 60% of the countries of the world today.

    Powerful guns with first rate ammo, modern optics and communications equipment... what is not to like... I would donate them to allies like Vietnam or Cuba or Syria or Iraq as production orders for more would benefit both... AM related upgrades would further improve performance too.


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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  galicije83 on Mon Feb 01, 2016 3:51 pm

    First of all Russian dont have ~1000 T-90 all version. They have less then 500 operational T-90s witch ~32 of them are T-90A fist model made from 2004-2006 with Buran M thermovision and ~337 T-90A with ESSE thermovision licenced french Catherine FC thermovision produced form 2006-2011/12. Also Russia have T-90 (~120) made from 1992-1998 many of then are not operational.

    So if they want to upgrade urs T-90A to AM it will be this latest model made from 2006-2011.

    Today we can see in Syria T-90s first two models T-90 and T-90A produce from 1992-2006, not latest T-90As...
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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Feb 02, 2016 1:25 am







    galicije83 wrote:First of all Russian dont have ~1000 T-90 all version. They have less then 500 operational T-90s witch ~32  of them are T-90A fist model made from 2004-2006 with Buran M thermovision  and ~337 T-90A with ESSE thermovision licenced french Catherine FC thermovision produced form 2006-2011/12. Also Russia have T-90 (~120) made from 1992-1998 many of then are not operational.

    So if they want to upgrade urs T-90A to AM it will be this latest model made from 2006-2011.

    Today we can see in Syria T-90s first two models T-90 and T-90A produce from 1992-2006, not latest T-90As...

    and theoretically they all can be upgraded to T-90M standard?

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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Feb 02, 2016 1:40 am

    galicije83 wrote:First of all Russian dont have ~1000 T-90 all version. They have less then 500 operational T-90s witch ~32  of them are T-90A fist model made from 2004-2006 with Buran M thermovision  and ~337 T-90A with ESSE thermovision licenced french Catherine FC thermovision produced form 2006-2011/12. Also Russia have T-90 (~120) made from 1992-1998 many of then are not operational.

    So if they want to upgrade urs T-90A to AM it will be this latest model made from 2006-2011.

    Today we can see in Syria T-90s first two models T-90 and T-90A produce from 1992-2006, not latest T-90As...

    according to this Russia have 743 T-90 tanks..


    Россия — более 543 единиц Т-90/Т-90А (и ещё 200 единиц находятся на хранении),

    google translate....
    Russia - More than 543 units of T-90 / T-90A (and another 200 units in storage), as of 2015


    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Т-90

    and with the new crisis with Turkey and with the world ambient of world war , is very likely production of T-90 will go up and will have about 1,000 or more just this year when the probability of a major war with the west is closer and closer. I will not be surprised if Russia is producing T-90s like there is no tomorrow stocking them in secret. you will not reveal your enemies the real  inventory size of your military.

    This is why i believe Russia needs not just "good enough". but a real strong force that they
    can deploy in many fronts at the same time. The Americans are really desperate to destroy Russia by any way or means.. so Russia should expect more Syria like proxy wars in the future
    with terrorism.

    the battle fields US can target Russia by proxy are so many .

    1)Syria.. already there.
    2)Ukraine.. already there undercovertly.
    3) Moldova and Ukraine attack on tranistria on Russians.
    4) Armenia vs Azerbaijan conflict.
    5)Serbia vs muslin terrorist from Bosnia.
    6)Kaliningrad. by muslins well armed from Poland.
    7)All Russian Border with Ukraine can be a battlefield against Russia.
    8)Tajikistan ,an invasion from ISIS in afganistan armed by Americans.
    9)from Georgia attack on chechenia. already Lavrov just today told ISIS have training camps
    in Georgia
    10)Attack on far east on kamchatka by mercenaries invasion there. helped by Americans.
    11)Armenia vs Azerbaijan conflict ,again fueled by Americans.
    12) IRAQ.. Russia could be forced to invade IRAQ too.

    And all those fronts to defend allies will require a major deployment of tanks.
    This is why i believe Russia needs at least 12,000 Armata but even more under ideal conditions.
    So if a tank needs a repair quickly is replaced by a new one. and to have few thousands of them in reserves.

    The thing people needs to understand is that Americans will not blink to use a nuclear weapon against Russia ,if they ever have the opportunity to do it. You don't understand how they think.
    The Neocons do not care about its own citizens  And there are hardliners in the west that will consider losing 40 millions Americans acceptable if they can defeat Russia in a nuclear war.

    So Russia needs to be better prepared for a war with Americans with tanks in europe in the case they totally lose their mind and start attacking Russia through Ukraine with chemical and biological warfare. Russia needs to be prepared for everything. that a real mad man or women takes control of USA and start making the life impossible for millions of Russians through terrorism and or undercover biological and chemical attacks. .This is why Russia needs many Armata tanks as many as 20,000 ,30,000 or more. Not to fight small wars but to be prepared for a world war. and Liberate berling again. Because it might be needed to once again liberate Europe from American fascism and kick their military bases there.

    Even with Turkey ,what if Turkey start attacking Russia with cruise missiles? what will Russia do? turn the other cheek? using cruise missiles will not remove erdogan from power. not even with nukes..if they hide in Bunkers. would not be more practical to just invade
    Turkey and remove by force the government as they did with  hitler ,than Russia bombing civilians with nukes in Turkey? that later will turn against Russia ?  This is why Russia needs a really big tank force to counter any possible hostile scenario. Taking a big piece of land of Turkey like controlling Istanbul and the access to mediterranean sea ,in case of war. better Russia be prepared ,with a 20,000 -30,000 armata force and not need them.than to say sorry later and need them.

    people usually underestimate Russia enemies to do evil things , and their determination to
    attack Russia. Nobody expected Turkey will be shooting down Russian planes before, now is a reality. Erdogan psicopath man and dont care about Russian nukes ,is a muslin fanatic who helps ISIS. and Americans will try to get him start a war with Russia.  So Russia will need to prepare for any kind of scenario.

    all said ,Russia needs to be prepared for the unthinkable. To have an army capable of invading
    Turkey, invading Europe or even USA with China help. you never know what could happen.
    the war against Hitler could have never stopped had Russia never invaded berlin.
    ISIS for example could take control of turkey with American help.. or Erdogan himself could become ISIS leader and start blockading Russia business in the mediterranean sea. something that will mean Russia will have to fight them.  with just 2,000 Armata tanks is not enough for Russia to fight outside its borders to invade another big power while at the same time keeping secure all parts of Russia federation.
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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  galicije83 on Tue Feb 02, 2016 1:57 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    and theoretically they all can be upgraded to T-90M standard?

    Yes but price of modernization of T-90 first series is huge, because then must build new turrets, because turret on T-90 is cast not welded, they must made new autoloader for him. Literally they would build a new tank, similarly to the modernization of tank T-72 on the BM standard, which was too expensive. Its far easier to modernize A series with latest upgrades then old one made from 1992-1998. Because of that Russian will be upgrade only T-90As made from 2006-2011/12, not T-90As made from 2004-2006.

    Russian will be modernized 337 T-90A, they will not build new ones unfortunately. In my opinion its stupid idea and i think that is far batter to have 500 more new built T-90As then lod T-72B modernized to B3 standard...T72 was and still is shitty tank....
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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  galicije83 on Tue Feb 02, 2016 2:03 pm

    wikipedia is not the true source of the real number of the T-90A tanks in the Russian army, and I have other sources that say little differently then wikipedia.

    My number of T-90 all series in Russian army is right...
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    Re: Russia Tank Force: Present and Future

    Post  George1 on Tue Feb 02, 2016 5:54 pm

    1st Guards Tank Army was re-formed in the Western military district (ZVO). Russian Defense Ministry reported in 1st of February.

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