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Body Armour and Protection systems
GarryB- Posts : 38765
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- Post n°61
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I think it looks cool... and if it stops me getting shot... I will carry it.
GarryB- Posts : 38765
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Sorry for the length of this link, it is a translated page:
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?rurl=translate.google.com&tl=en&u=http://www.arms-expo.ru/055057052124050053053050050.html&usg=ALkJrhhuXfR2KOducF69luDbstuV4_iDrw
It is interesting as it talks about the Russian domestic equivalent of Felin... that is the French FELIN system but using Russian components.
It talks about Felin (French)and its domestic equivalent and also Barmitsa (Russian) but pretty much only mentions the existence of Future Warrior (US).
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?rurl=translate.google.com&tl=en&u=http://www.arms-expo.ru/055057052124050053053050050.html&usg=ALkJrhhuXfR2KOducF69luDbstuV4_iDrw
It is interesting as it talks about the Russian domestic equivalent of Felin... that is the French FELIN system but using Russian components.
It talks about Felin (French)and its domestic equivalent and also Barmitsa (Russian) but pretty much only mentions the existence of Future Warrior (US).
SWAT Pointman- Posts : 153
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- Post n°63
Russian soldiers body armor?
Are Russian soldiers issued body armor? If so, what kind? And type of armor were Soviet Soldiers issued if they had any?
flamming_python- Posts : 8988
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- Post n°64
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SWAT Pointman wrote:Are Russian soldiers issued body armor? If so, what kind? And type of armor were Soviet Soldiers issued if they had any?
Yes. Can't really give you any more details; except that there is a shortage of it even now. Soviet soldiers had it issued to.
TR1- Posts : 5435
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- Post n°65
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Way too many different kinds.
GarryB- Posts : 38765
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- Post n°66
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Soviet soldiers were issued body armour in WWII.
In urban combat the first in the door often had steel plate body armour to protect from grenade fragments and SMG bullets...
In urban combat the first in the door often had steel plate body armour to protect from grenade fragments and SMG bullets...
SWAT Pointman- Posts : 153
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- Post n°67
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I'm pretty sure I read that was experimental and wasn't considered very effective. Even the US didn't have effective body armor until after the Vietnam war.GarryB wrote:Soviet soldiers were issued body armour in WWII.
In urban combat the first in the door often had steel plate body armour to protect from grenade fragments and SMG bullets...
Zivo- Posts : 1487
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- Post n°68
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It went into production and was issued mainly to engineers in limited numbers. It could stop a 9mm round at a distance.
Of course a significant percentage of the Wehrmacht used the Kar-98, which went right through it.
Of course a significant percentage of the Wehrmacht used the Kar-98, which went right through it.
GarryB- Posts : 38765
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It was quite widely used, the purpose was not to make the soldiers bullet proof, the intention was to reduce casualties to fragments.
Full power rifle cartridges would penetrate from pretty much any range, but as Zivo mentions there were a lot of SMGs and pistols used in urban combat and these vests could stop 9mm most of the time. The real threat was fragments from grenades which were very heavily used by both sides in urban fighting.
The hint is that even in Vietnam they weren't called bullet proof vests... they were called flak jackets... which is exactly what they were.
Note these vests were not worn by entire units... generally it was the first guy in the door that wore such equipment as they were the most likely to get hurt if there was a grenade that still hadn't gone off by the time he entered. Also another trick both sides liked to do was wait till the enemy grenades went off in a room and then they threw their own grenades in, so that the enemy forces would burst into the room to shoot at anything that moved and then boom the enemies grenades went off.
Full power rifle cartridges would penetrate from pretty much any range, but as Zivo mentions there were a lot of SMGs and pistols used in urban combat and these vests could stop 9mm most of the time. The real threat was fragments from grenades which were very heavily used by both sides in urban fighting.
The hint is that even in Vietnam they weren't called bullet proof vests... they were called flak jackets... which is exactly what they were.
Note these vests were not worn by entire units... generally it was the first guy in the door that wore such equipment as they were the most likely to get hurt if there was a grenade that still hadn't gone off by the time he entered. Also another trick both sides liked to do was wait till the enemy grenades went off in a room and then they threw their own grenades in, so that the enemy forces would burst into the room to shoot at anything that moved and then boom the enemies grenades went off.
KomissarBojanchev- Posts : 1429
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- Post n°70
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Do regular Russian mechanized troops have any standard issue body armor or helmets capable of stopping any 5,56mm or larger bullet?
Regular- Posts : 3868
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There is nothing standard in Russian army.. Older and more common 6B12 body armour for example has good protection qualities, it stops 5.45 bullet.KomissarBojanchev wrote:Do regular Russian mechanized troops have any standard issue body armor or helmets capable of stopping any 5,56mm or larger bullet?
And Russia has loads of helmets too, first gen. 6B7 for example could theoretic stop 5.45 or even 7.62x39. But I'm pretty sure that even if Your helmet stops rifle bullet, Your gonna experience new childhood. And even if the bullet hits side of Your helmet, then mash potatoes through the tube will be Your only dinner for rest of your life.
GarryB- Posts : 38765
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Something also to keep in mind... what makes modern vests able to stop heavy rounds like rifle rounds is the hard armour plates... sometimes metal, sometimes ceramic... never cover everything.
Generally they will cover upper chest and rear chest.
A gut shot will not be stopped and nor will a shot from the side.
Generally they will cover upper chest and rear chest.
A gut shot will not be stopped and nor will a shot from the side.
chaosactor- Posts : 4
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- Post n°73
Body Armour
Hi
I am currently doing a study at university into the effect of weight carriage on the soldier and particularly looking whether heavier body armour actually provides less protection because the soldier is less maneuverable. I have a good idea of the academic arguments, but now want to see what soldiers actual experience is.
I do not want to know about protection levels of various body armours, but what I am hoping is to find out where body armours rub, where you get prickly heat, what parts get caught on vehicles and just generally how body armour fit hinders your ability to do your job.
I am interested in all body armour comments, but my study is going to be based on the following armours if you have any personal experience of them.
1. Australian TBAS
2. British ECBA
3. British Osprey
4. Canadian FPV
5. Chinese EBA
6. Danish TYR
7. Russian 6B43
8. US Interceptor
9. Paraclete Alpha 1
10. Pinnacle Dragon Skin
Many thanks in advance...
I am currently doing a study at university into the effect of weight carriage on the soldier and particularly looking whether heavier body armour actually provides less protection because the soldier is less maneuverable. I have a good idea of the academic arguments, but now want to see what soldiers actual experience is.
I do not want to know about protection levels of various body armours, but what I am hoping is to find out where body armours rub, where you get prickly heat, what parts get caught on vehicles and just generally how body armour fit hinders your ability to do your job.
I am interested in all body armour comments, but my study is going to be based on the following armours if you have any personal experience of them.
1. Australian TBAS
2. British ECBA
3. British Osprey
4. Canadian FPV
5. Chinese EBA
6. Danish TYR
7. Russian 6B43
8. US Interceptor
9. Paraclete Alpha 1
10. Pinnacle Dragon Skin
Many thanks in advance...
flamming_python- Posts : 8988
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My only experience with body armour is carrying a crate full of them with another conscript to the HQ building. I wanted to at least take a look but didn't get the chance. Was only told that they're out of date and are being withdrawn from service. Soviet Afghan-era I think; not the 6B42/43 or anything like that.
Didn't get the point personally. Any armour is better than no armour. That's military bureaucracy for you.
So yeah anyway.. personal experience.
Didn't get the point personally. Any armour is better than no armour. That's military bureaucracy for you.
So yeah anyway.. personal experience.
collegeboy16- Posts : 1135
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- Post n°75
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theyre good for keeping your bits and pieces together for the morgue
chaosactor- Posts : 4
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Thanks
Thanks for this information - I am not sure if it will progress my research, but it amused me!
So is body armour not issued to all Russian troops? Your suggestion seems to be that you did not get anything else to replace these old armours.
Also do you know what the current armour issued to Russian troops is? I guessed it was the 6B43.
So is body armour not issued to all Russian troops? Your suggestion seems to be that you did not get anything else to replace these old armours.
Also do you know what the current armour issued to Russian troops is? I guessed it was the 6B43.
Pugnax- Posts : 85
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- Post n°78
body armour
Body armour is wonderful,of the 750k US personelle rotating through Iraq,only 4000 dead and 65000 wounded.Problem arises when the enemy plays the ever increased IED stack .Guys are arriving at aid stations with either a blemish and cracked ribs or so majorly fubar that nothing can save them.
GarryB- Posts : 38765
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So is body armour not issued to all Russian troops?
Not issued to non combat units in peaceful areas whose greatest threat to life and limb is boredom...
Recently watched a new video about Ratnik... the new combat gear to be introduced into widespread service starting this year. It mentioned the helmet is 1kg and the old body armour was 8kg but the new stuff is 6kg.
flamming_python- Posts : 8988
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chaosactor wrote:Thanks for this information - I am not sure if it will progress my research, but it amused me!
So is body armour not issued to all Russian troops? Your suggestion seems to be that you did not get anything else to replace these old armours.
Also do you know what the current armour issued to Russian troops is? I guessed it was the 6B43.
GarryB wrote:Not issued to non combat units in peaceful areas whose greatest threat to life and limb is boredom...
Exactly. Our unit for example had a different purpose and while defense was a requirement, it wasn't a priority as we were deep in Russian territory, as such our equipment was all from the 70s.
As for current body armour, yes I would imagine the 6B43 is standard issue but as we can see from the crisis in the Ukraine, the 6B13, 6B23 or whatever they are stocks are still being issued and utilized.
collegeboy16- Posts : 1135
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Hmm, instead of dilly dallying w/ exosuits what about performance enhancing drugs? Basically you get a ripped dude, strap him inside a 30 or so kg juggernaut suit(small arms proof - only a direct RPG can fck its hardest armor), pump him full of adrenaline/steroids cocktails and or maybe agression drugs. Arm him with and Pecheneg plus lots of belt ammo and let the guy loose on the enemy.
GarryB- Posts : 38765
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There is not winning when it comes to body armour... even an Abrams tank can be defeated, so there is no point in trying to protect everyone from everything.
The key is to protect from the most common threat... which is actually a bullet to the central chest area and fragments the rest of the torso.
Even the best modern body armour wont stop a rifle bullet to the hip or elbow.
A more correct term is flak jacket which is a much better description.
The key is to protect from the most common threat... which is actually a bullet to the central chest area and fragments the rest of the torso.
Even the best modern body armour wont stop a rifle bullet to the hip or elbow.
A more correct term is flak jacket which is a much better description.
sepheronx- Posts : 8495
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Standard Issue I imagine is 6b23 kevlar with the 6b43 being tested for Ratnik and will come out for special units sometime in the future.
Regular- Posts : 3868
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I had relationship with body armour to the point that I had responsibility to check some fellow slackers if they are carrying all plates :)Body armour was issued to all of us, unfortunately, it was more or less torturing device than protection.
I can only talk about local Lithuanian made tactical vest as I've served there. I'm not clear about stats, for us it weighted a ton.
I can roughly say it weights more than 20 kg if fully loaded with neck biceps and between legs protection.
Level IV protection. But fuel kit was only for gunners as they are very exposed.
It was hard to shoot with AK-4, mostly because we had tactical rigs as well, but you can get used to it.
My experience is very subjective as I've only have met only limited kit.
I've seen some old Danish body armours, but never seen them to be issued. Looked like crape, no mole, no nothing.
By the way, is it true that in wet conditions Kevlar plates loose their stopping power? Or is it ceramics? Or it's just soldier myth?
I can only talk about local Lithuanian made tactical vest as I've served there. I'm not clear about stats, for us it weighted a ton.
I can roughly say it weights more than 20 kg if fully loaded with neck biceps and between legs protection.
Level IV protection. But fuel kit was only for gunners as they are very exposed.
It was hard to shoot with AK-4, mostly because we had tactical rigs as well, but you can get used to it.
My experience is very subjective as I've only have met only limited kit.
I've seen some old Danish body armours, but never seen them to be issued. Looked like crape, no mole, no nothing.
By the way, is it true that in wet conditions Kevlar plates loose their stopping power? Or is it ceramics? Or it's just soldier myth?
GarryB- Posts : 38765
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Standard Issue I imagine is 6b23 kevlar with the 6b43 being tested for Ratnik and will come out for special units sometime in the future.
Ratnik will likely go to special units first but it is standard kit for all Russian units so all will eventually get them.
AFAIK water should not effect Kevlar, or the European equivalent aramide fibre.
Both work in a very similar way to spider silk and convert tension energy into heat... they should work wet or dry.
Reminds me of a commonwealth myth before WWII that Japanese planes were made of rice paper which made them light and manoeuvrable, but meant they couldn't fly in the rain...
Not as harmful as the myth about the Japanese Knee mortar being fired from the thigh... ouch!
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