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    Russia in negotiations on military bases abroad

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Feb 27, 2014 3:15 am

    Russia Seeks Several Military Bases Abroad – Defense Minister

    MOSCOW, February 26 (RIA Novosti) – Russia is planning to expand its permanent military presence outside its borders by placing military bases in a number of foreign countries, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said Wednesday.
    Shoigu said the list includes Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, the Seychelles, Singapore and several other countries.
    The talks are under way, and we are close to signing the relevant documents,” Shoigu told reporters in Moscow.
    The minister added that the negotiations cover not only military bases but also visits to ports in such countries on favorable conditions as well as the opening of refueling sites for Russian strategic bombers on patrol.
    Moscow currently has only one naval base outside the former Soviet Union – in Tartus, Syria, but the fate of this naval facility is uncertain because of the ongoing civil war in that country.
    Post-Soviet Russia closed a large naval base in Vietnam and a radar base in Cuba in 2002 due to financial constraints.
    However, Russia has started reviving its navy and strategic aviation since mid-2000s, seeing them as a tool to project the Russian image abroad and to protect its national interests around the globe.
    Now, Moscow needs to place such military assets in strategically important regions of the world to make them work effectively toward the goal of expanding Russia’s global influence.
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    Re: Russian Military Bases Abroad

    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 27, 2014 8:21 am

    Makes sense.

    Previously the russian navy and air force would no have the resources to regularly visit a foreign country let alone need a base there, but as their military improves they need to expand their operations... which means they need places to stay the night so to speak to reduce travel costs.

    It is also a good way to improve relations with ex allies.


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    Re: Russian Military Bases Abroad

    Post  macedonian on Thu Feb 27, 2014 8:46 am

    Yes, I've read the RIA Novosti article yesterday.
    Excellent news, hope they go through with it.
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    Re: Russian Military Bases Abroad

    Post  Werewolf on Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:39 am

    Prepare for Cuba crisis shitstorm and hypocrisy from USA.

    They obviously will see it as a threat to US security when Russia is at Cuba but when US overthrows and installs puppets in lot of ex-soviet countries its for "muh freedöm and demöcrazy".
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    Re: Russian Military Bases Abroad

    Post  collegeboy16 on Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:51 am

    they are prolly afraid of operatives from russky langley operating from such bases than anything else.
    Which reminds me, of one of the things russia should learn from its archenemies its how to wage economic warfare.
    Manipulating economies through intel work is a very, very efficient way of weakening your enemies.
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    Re: Russian Military Bases Abroad

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:59 am

    GarryB wrote:Makes sense.

    Previously the russian navy and air force would no have the resources to regularly visit a foreign country let alone need a base there, but as their military improves they need to expand their operations... which means they need places to stay the night so to speak to reduce travel costs.

    It is also a good way to improve relations with ex allies.

    The Russian foreign bases that make the most sense would be Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua and possibly Algeria (which wasn't mentioned, I just threw it out there).

    Cuba because the U.S. has struggled for decades to topple Castro with over 600 failed assassination attempts, and the location is dream real estate. Venezuela because they have one of the largest proven crude oil reserves and they have a govt. hostile towards the Pentagon, which is why they want to topple the Venezuelan govt. Nicaragua because the Chinese are building a canal that will rival the Panama canal, there's good reason why their building it...because the Pentagon toppled the Panamanian govt., dissolved their national military in the late 1980's and installed a puppet govt. with a mercenary military (that's not loyal to the people of Panama) so they could control the Panama Canal... The Pentagon will probably attempt to topple the Nicaraguan govt. to take control of that. Algeria because if Syria ever falls, Russia will need a base in the Middle East to replace that.
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    Re: Russian Military Bases Abroad

    Post  collegeboy16 on Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:11 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:

    The Russian foreign bases that make the most sense would be Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua and possibly Algeria (which wasn't mentioned, I just threw it out there).

    Cuba because the U.S. has struggled for decades to topple Castro with over 600 failed assassination attempts, and the location is dream real estate. Venezuela because they have one of the largest proven crude oil reserves and they have a govt. hostile towards the Pentagon, which is why they want to topple the Venezuelan govt. Nicaragua because the Chinese are building a canal that will rival the Panama canal, there's good reason why their building it...because the Pentagon toppled the Panamanian govt., dissolved their national military in the late 1980's and installed a puppet govt. with a mercenary military (that's not loyal to the people of Panama) so they could control the Panama Canal... The Pentagon will probably attempt to topple the Nicaraguan govt. to take control of that. Algeria because if Syria ever falls, Russia will need a base in the Middle East to replace that.
    Vietnam and maybe thailand too. A base in vietnam is good since its a good ally. A base in thailand would be good to monitor the malacca strait. Also argentina since they would allow one base out of spite. A base in IOR is also nice. However it is important that when building bases russia doesnt step into its allies toes ie spheres of interest.
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    Re: Russian Military Bases Abroad

    Post  GarryB on Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:53 am

    It is important for Russia to have bases in the southern hemisphere for the purposes of satellite tracking and also for access to Antarctica... bases in South Africa and Argentina would both be useful.

    Selling Argentina a few Su-35s might be very interesting too...  Twisted Evil Twisted Evil 


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    Re: Russian Military Bases Abroad

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Feb 28, 2014 7:37 pm

    GarryB wrote:It is important for Russia to have bases in the southern hemisphere for the purposes of satellite tracking and also for access to Antarctica... bases in South Africa and Argentina would both be useful.

    Selling Argentina a few Su-35s might be very interesting too...   Twisted Evil Twisted Evil 

    South Africa makes sense because they have large quantities of natural resources as well as a Russian friendly govt. (BRICS) I also forgot to mention that a Naval base in Algeria would be great because cruisers armed with naval S-500's could seriously counter Britain and France's nuclear stock pile, and I think Russia should set up a military deal with China to share responsibilities of protecting mutual allies and assets, Russia and China both could have naval/airforce bases in Cuba and Venezuela, China could have a base in Nicaragua to protect their canal, Russia could have one in Algeria to counter European NATO, China could have a base in South Africa to protect it's African interests, and Russia could have another in Argentina to access Antarctica.
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    Re: Russian Military Bases Abroad

    Post  sepheronx on Fri Feb 28, 2014 9:36 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    GarryB wrote:It is important for Russia to have bases in the southern hemisphere for the purposes of satellite tracking and also for access to Antarctica... bases in South Africa and Argentina would both be useful.

    Selling Argentina a few Su-35s might be very interesting too...   Twisted Evil Twisted Evil 

    South Africa makes sense because they have large quantities of natural resources as well as a Russian friendly govt. (BRICS) I also forgot to mention that a Naval base in Algeria would be great because cruisers armed with naval S-500's could seriously counter Britain and France's nuclear stock pile, and I think Russia should set up a military deal with China to share responsibilities of protecting mutual allies and assets, Russia and China both could have naval/airforce bases in Cuba and Venezuela, China could have a base in Nicaragua to protect their canal, Russia could have one in Algeria to counter European NATO, China could have a base in South Africa to protect it's African interests, and Russia could have another in Argentina to access Antarctica.

    I agree. If Russia shares the base, they can share the cost, which would make it cheap for both China and Russia. As both of China's and Russia's politics are co-aligned in most cases, then it shouldn't be hard. An airforce base in Nicaragua, a naval base in Cuba with a repair/supply port in Venezuela and a Naval base in Algeria would allow both countries to have great access to the rest of the world more or less.
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    Re: Russian Military Bases Abroad

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:54 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    GarryB wrote:It is important for Russia to have bases in the southern hemisphere for the purposes of satellite tracking and also for access to Antarctica... bases in South Africa and Argentina would both be useful.

    Selling Argentina a few Su-35s might be very interesting too...   Twisted Evil Twisted Evil 

    South Africa makes sense because they have large quantities of natural resources as well as a Russian friendly govt. (BRICS) I also forgot to mention that a Naval base in Algeria would be great because cruisers armed with naval S-500's could seriously counter Britain and France's nuclear stock pile, and I think Russia should set up a military deal with China to share responsibilities of protecting mutual allies and assets, Russia and China both could have naval/airforce bases in Cuba and Venezuela, China could have a base in Nicaragua to protect their canal, Russia could have one in Algeria to counter European NATO, China could have a base in South Africa to protect it's African interests, and Russia could have another in Argentina to access Antarctica.

    I agree.  If Russia shares the base, they can share the cost, which would make it cheap for both China and Russia.  As both of China's and Russia's politics are co-aligned in most cases, then it shouldn't be hard.  An airforce base in Nicaragua, a naval base in Cuba with a repair/supply port in Venezuela and a Naval base in Algeria would allow both countries to have great access to the rest of the world more or less.

    Russians have the hardware, Chinese have the money, and maybe an additional base in  Iran but of course India already controls a port in Iran, may'be India could have a naval base to protect it's interests in Iran which brings up a serious question...How can the Pentagon seriously think that they can get away with an unilateral attack on Iran when there's no less than 5 nuclear powers (Russia, China, India, Pakistan, North Korea) who have vested interests in Iran and would strongly oppose such an action?
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    Re: Russian Military Bases Abroad

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    Post  TR1 on Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:35 pm

    What in god's name is the point of us having bases in Argentina?
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    Re: Russian Military Bases Abroad

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:44 pm

    closer to the US's backyard.
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    Re: Russian Military Bases Abroad

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:54 pm

    TR1 wrote:What in god's name is the point of us having bases in Argentina?

    You know the rush for Arctic sea Oil/LNG? There's a strong possibility that we could find massive oil fields in the Antarctic as well!
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    Post  TR1 on Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:58 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:closer to the US's backyard.

    Sounds like a waste of money to poke America, for little tangible return.

    We do not have the luxury of bases abroad at this point, not in freakin Argentina.
    Not when the armed forces are mostly mounted on vehicles designed in the 70s an produced in the 80s.
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    Re: Russian Military Bases Abroad

    Post  GarryB on Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:16 am

    They will likely be interested in buying new equipment... for years the US has basically told the whole region what they can or cannot have.

    More importantly this is not just a poke at the US... what happens when Su-35s start flying around the Malvinas...????

    On a more serious note having global receiving stations that can pick up and monitor GLONASS signals will make them much more accurate and allow easier maintainence.

    It will also offer a flying off point to support Russian operations in Antarctica...

    And you can probably pay for it by upgrading some Mig-23s with new radar and R-77 missiles.

    Their pilots in 1982 proved to be very brave and skillful... they just lacked a decent air to air missile... and a decent fighter.

    ... in any event trade will be good for both countries...


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    Post  flamming_python on Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:15 pm

    A shame. A naval base in Argentina would have been less provocative than a similar base in Venezuela or Cuba - that are far too close to the US mainland for US comfort and also far too vulnerable to attack; while at the same time roughly equidistant from both of Russia's main fleets (Northern and Pacific), being at the far point of both fleet's ranges - it would be ideal as a logistics/resupply base.
    Of course maintaining a permanent presence there is pointless though. It should be more like Tartus.
    And China should share it too.

    Anyway I wouldn't discount it just yet. Floating a piece of information and then immediately denying it is a regular tactic.

    Argentina has just stepped up in Russia's defence on the Crimean issue, and I wouldn't call it a co-incidence.
    http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/155417/putin-thanks-cfk-for-crimea-stance

    Argentina will probably expect Russia to back it up in the Falkland islands dispute. Too bad because the Falkland islands really are British, whatever way you spin it. But politics is politics. Seeing as how Britain has inevitably aligned against Russia in this episode and the upcoming energy and defense ties are now probably a thing of the past - Russia has little to lose I suppose.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 27, 2014 12:07 am

    Argentina will probably expect Russia to back it up in the Falkland islands dispute. Too bad because the Falkland islands really are British, whatever way you spin it. But politics is politics. Seeing as how Britain has inevitably aligned against Russia in this episode and the upcoming energy and defense ties are now probably a thing of the past - Russia has little to lose I suppose.

    You mean like the US is British?

    Or like Kosovo is Serbian?

    For all their bravado regarding respecting the rights of British descended people in Falklands to have a voice they don't seem to feel the same way about the people of Guam... or the Crimea, or indeed South Ossetia or Abkhazia...

    Why not wind up the Brits... it is not like they will ever be Russias best friend and you might get a useful trade partner.

    In the worst case for central and south america the US might start treating them better to get their favour back...



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    Re: Russian Military Bases Abroad

    Post  George1 on Thu May 22, 2014 10:29 pm

    Russia in talks to create naval support bases in Middle East

    The Russian Defense Ministry is in talks to create several naval re-supply and maintenance bases in the Middle East, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Anatoly Antonov said in an interview with Kuwait's KUNA news agency on Monday.

    "We consistently develop our military cooperation with Middle East countries. Naturally, Russia is interested in having re-supply and maintenance bases for our navy in several states in the region. And we are engaged in talks on the issue with certain states," the agency quoted Antonov as saying.

    Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said in February that Russia may create a network of bases abroad, in countries that include Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, the Seychelles, and Singapore. Moscow currently has only one naval base outside the former Soviet Union in Tartus, Syria, but the fate of this naval facility is uncertain because of the ongoing civil war in that country. Post-Soviet Russia closed a large naval base in Vietnam and a radar base in Cuba in 2002 due to financial constraints.
    Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_19/Russia-in-talks-to-create-naval-support-bases-in-Middle-East-0136/
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    Post  George1 on Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:16 am

    Russia to keep developing foreign military bases — defense minister

    MOSCOW, October 28. /TASS/. Russia will actively keep developing its military bases abroad, Russian Defense Minister, Army General Sergey Shoigu said Tuesday.

    “We keep developing our bases abroad: in Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Armenia. We are developing them rather actively,” Shoigu said at a meeting of the Public Council under the Defense Ministry.

    He recalled that recently a Russian squadron went on combat duty in Belarus.

    “We settled there and started combat duty and everything connected with training,” Shoigu said.
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    Post  George1 on Thu Nov 27, 2014 4:08 pm

    Russia, Vietnam agree on simplified Cam Ranh port entry for Russian warships

    MOSCOW, November 27. /TASS/. Russia and Vietnam have signed an intergovernmental agreement on the simplified entry of Russian warships to Vietnam’s Cam Ranh port, a source in the Russian Defense Ministry told TASS on Thursday.

    “The agreement was signed in Sochi on November 25 during the visit of Secretary General of the Central Committee of the Vietnamese Communist Party Nguyen Phu Trong to Russia. The procedure sets the requirement for Russian vessels that are approaching the Vietnamese port only to notify its authorities for entry,” said the source.

    Vietnam is the second country with which Russia has such an agreement. “Russia had signed a similar agreement many years ago with Syria on Russian Navy ships and vessels’ Tartus port entry. However, Russia has another agreement with Syria on the sustainment center of the Russian Navy in Tartus. Russia so far has no such agreement with Vietnam,” the source said. According to him, the document signing will be discussed at future bilateral negotiations.
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    Re: Russian Military Bases Abroad

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Feb 09, 2015 8:57 pm

    The president of Cyprus (Nicos Anastasiades) is offering military bases for Russia within Cyprus:



    Cyprus will give the territory of the Russian military
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    Post  flamming_python on Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:02 pm

    I smell Cyprus has joined the Greek game and has decided to break the EU's balls by threatening to move closer to Russia, in order to gain a better negotiating position for the haggling over loans, bankrupkt banks and economic issues.

    Which can only be good, even though they're likely not serious about the proposal to Russia. In any case they're still harming the EU; by breaking the myth/illusion of unity in Europe and weakening the power of Brussels over its vassals.
    We're now already seeing 2 of the peripheries invoking Russia in order to gain more leverage against the centre.. how many more will there be? Will Orban join the game next?

    Of course, if the EU decides to call Greece's and Cyprus's bluffs.. they might just move closer to Russia for real.

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