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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:22 am

    par far wrote:"Sudan Ready to Host Russian Military Base."

    https://sputniknews.com/africa/201711281059505761-sudan-russia-military-base/


    "Here’s Why Russia Might Set Up a Red Sea Base in Sudan."

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/heres-why-russia-might-set-up-a-red-sea-base-in-sudan/5621766


    Finally someone explained it...

    Also this part:
    Addis Ababa’s ambitious plans to build a controversial dam on the Blue Nile river.

    I assume this dam is for power generation. This problem could be bypassed by constructing nuclear power plant in Ethiopia. Rosatom could handle it and it would remove need for messing up Nile water flow.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:10 am

    Building a base in sudan would be a very very very wise move on the part of Putin.

    Sudan has expressed that they will gladly bend over for Russia.

    Personally Putin would have to be foolish not to take up the offer.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:18 am

    Sudan is a great offer really, and huge opportunity for Russia to get into the African market since Kenya is so close.
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    Post  par far on Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:34 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Sudan is a great offer really, and huge opportunity for Russia to get into the African market since Kenya is so close.

    I Really hope that Russia will take up Sudan on its offer, which I think, that Russia will because it is the first visit by a Sudanese president.
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    Post  ZoA on Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:31 pm

    Sudan is too far, and not really relevant for Russia's defence. Also I very much doubt expenses of establishing, maintaining and defending such far of base could be justified with any potential economic gains. Sudan and region around it is extremely politicly unstable and involving Russia in it possibly might not be the wisest decision.

    Sudan would be better of dealing with China that has much bigger economic presence and interests in Africa. Most likely it would be overstretch for Russia to make any commitment to Sudan at this time or in the near future.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:03 am

    ZoA wrote:Sudan is too far, and not really relevant for Russia's defence. Also I very much doubt expenses of establishing, maintaining and defending such far of base could be  justified with any potential economic gains. Sudan and region around it is extremely politicly unstable and  involving Russia in it possibly might not be the wisest decision.

    Sudan would be better of dealing with China that has much bigger economic presence and interests in Africa. Most likely it would be overstretch for Russia to make any commitment to Sudan at this time or in the near future.

    You don't expand yourself by sitting in one place. Having facilities that can be dual purpose is exonomic feasible for Russia to be in Sudan. As well, once there, they can expand their presence as well as influence. Sudan is a good prospect for weapon sales and economic development especially energy.

    A Darfurian at work just came back this week from his trip back home through capital and then to his village in Darfurian. He said it was very peaceful now since military stopped their incursion into Darfur and is now developing well, after South Sudan left. So Sudan is rather more stable than you think. Add to it, the only major problem they have is with Ethiopia and their plans for the dam. But now rumor from my coworker states that US is attempting to smuggle weapons to various potential insurgence in Darfur so things can heat up again.

    This is were Russia can thrive.

    Look at Syria, now Russian companies are getting lucrative deals in energy development, infrastructure, agriculture, etc. This wouldn't be case if Russia didn't assist and build those bases.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:30 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    ZoA wrote:Sudan is too far, and not really relevant for Russia's defence. Also I very much doubt expenses of establishing, maintaining and defending such far of base could be  justified with any potential economic gains. Sudan and region around it is extremely politicly unstable and  involving Russia in it possibly might not be the wisest decision.

    Sudan would be better of dealing with China that has much bigger economic presence and interests in Africa. Most likely it would be overstretch for Russia to make any commitment to Sudan at this time or in the near future.

    You don't expand yourself by sitting in one place. Having facilities that can be dual purpose is exonomic feasible for Russia to be in Sudan. As well, once there, they can expand their presence as well as influence. Sudan is a good prospect for weapon sales and economic development especially energy.

    A Darfurian at work just came back this week from his trip back home through capital and then to his village in Darfurian. He said it was very peaceful now since military stopped their incursion into Darfur and is now developing well, after South Sudan left.  So Sudan is rather more stable than you think.  Add to it, the only major problem they have is with Ethiopia and their plans for the dam. But now rumor from my coworker states that US is attempting to smuggle weapons to various potential insurgence in Darfur so things can heat up again.

    This is were Russia can thrive.

    Look at Syria, now Russian companies are getting lucrative deals in energy development, infrastructure, agriculture, etc.  This wouldn't be case if Russia didn't assist and build those bases.

    From an economic standpoint, there isn't much money to be made from a move like this. Sudan cannot afford much, it has little natural resources that would be of use to Russia that they don't already have loads of.

    This move would grant them a permanent presence in Africa at least for a good 50 or so years. It would give Russia, a lot of trade passes into the Red sea this would allow Russia some access to that. They are many other small benefits but the biggest one is simple.

    A warm water port Naval base. Something Russia has desired for decades and would love to have access to.
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    Post  Cyrus the great on Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:47 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    ZoA wrote:Sudan is too far, and not really relevant for Russia's defence. Also I very much doubt expenses of establishing, maintaining and defending such far of base could be  justified with any potential economic gains. Sudan and region around it is extremely politicly unstable and  involving Russia in it possibly might not be the wisest decision.

    Sudan would be better of dealing with China that has much bigger economic presence and interests in Africa. Most likely it would be overstretch for Russia to make any commitment to Sudan at this time or in the near future.

    You don't expand yourself by sitting in one place. Having facilities that can be dual purpose is exonomic feasible for Russia to be in Sudan. As well, once there, they can expand their presence as well as influence. Sudan is a good prospect for weapon sales and economic development especially energy.

    A Darfurian at work just came back this week from his trip back home through capital and then to his village in Darfurian. He said it was very peaceful now since military stopped their incursion into Darfur and is now developing well, after South Sudan left.  So Sudan is rather more stable than you think.  Add to it, the only major problem they have is with Ethiopia and their plans for the dam. But now rumor from my coworker states that US is attempting to smuggle weapons to various potential insurgence in Darfur so things can heat up again.

    This is were Russia can thrive.

    Look at Syria, now Russian companies are getting lucrative deals in energy development, infrastructure, agriculture, etc.  This wouldn't be case if Russia didn't assist and build those bases.

    Sudan does not oppose Ethiopia's dam building project -- the opposite is true; Sudan is set to benefit from the Ethiopian dam by gaining access to its electricity generation. The only country that is opposed to the Ethiopian dam in Africa is Egypt.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:03 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    ZoA wrote:Sudan is too far, and not really relevant for Russia's defence. Also I very much doubt expenses of establishing, maintaining and defending such far of base could be  justified with any potential economic gains. Sudan and region around it is extremely politicly unstable and  involving Russia in it possibly might not be the wisest decision.

    Sudan would be better of dealing with China that has much bigger economic presence and interests in Africa. Most likely it would be overstretch for Russia to make any commitment to Sudan at this time or in the near future.

    You don't expand yourself by sitting in one place. Having facilities that can be dual purpose is exonomic feasible for Russia to be in Sudan. As well, once there, they can expand their presence as well as influence. Sudan is a good prospect for weapon sales and economic development especially energy.

    A Darfurian at work just came back this week from his trip back home through capital and then to his village in Darfurian. He said it was very peaceful now since military stopped their incursion into Darfur and is now developing well, after South Sudan left.  So Sudan is rather more stable than you think.  Add to it, the only major problem they have is with Ethiopia and their plans for the dam. But now rumor from my coworker states that US is attempting to smuggle weapons to various potential insurgence in Darfur so things can heat up again.

    This is were Russia can thrive.

    Look at Syria, now Russian companies are getting lucrative deals in energy development, infrastructure, agriculture, etc.  This wouldn't be case if Russia didn't assist and build those bases.

    From an economic standpoint, there isn't much money to be made from a move like this. Sudan cannot afford much, it has little natural resources that would be of use to Russia that they don't already have loads of.

    This move would grant them a permanent presence in Africa at least for a good 50 or so years. It would give Russia, a lot of trade passes into the Red sea this would allow Russia some access to that. They are many other small benefits but the biggest one is simple.

    A warm water port Naval base. Something Russia has desired for decades and would love to have access to.

    Besides mining, your right. But the fact that they can invest in Sudans energy future isn't a bad thought. Most of the oil processed as well from South Sudan is done in Sudan. So they can invest in oil processing as well.

    It isn't just basic resources Russia can get out of Sudan.
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    Post  George1 on Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:59 am

    Putin submits to State Duma agreement with Syria on expanding Tartus naval base

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    Post  George1 on Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:48 pm

    Here’s Why Russia Might Set Up A Red Sea Base In Sudan

    Long-serving Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir invited the Russian military into his country during his historic visit to Moscow last week, stating that Sudan needs protection from an American Hybrid War plot to “Balkanize” his rump state into five separate ones following the 2011 secession of South Sudan. In the course of the conversation, he also said that Sudan is requesting Russian assistance in upgrading its armed forces, and that the geostrategically positioned state could function as Moscow’s “key to Africa” if the two sides decide to take their partnership to the strategic level. Sudan’s location is indeed a pivotal one because it’s located at the intersection of North and East Africa, and it also has crucial maritime-mainland connectivity potential due to its location on the western shores of the Red Sea and China’s New Silk Road plan to build a trans-Saharan railway from Port Sudan to the Chadian capital of N’Djamena in eventually facilitating trade between West Africa and the People’s Republic via this future route.

    Another point of geopolitical significance in favor of a potential Russian base in Sudan is that Khartoum is advantageously located between the rival states of Egypt and Ethiopia and therefore in the most logical role to mediate between them. The inclusion of Russia into this format could endow Moscow with the unparalleled potential to “balance” between them and their feuding GCC partners, seeing as how the “Gulf Cold War” has recently spread to the Horn of Africa through the pro-Egyptian UAE’s military deployments in Eritrea and the self-declared statelet of “Somaliland” while Qatar has succeeded in patching up its relationship with Ethiopia, all of which is centered on Addis Ababa’s ambitious plans to build a controversial dam on the Blue Nile river. Through its prospectively enhanced partnership with Sudan, Russia could therefore manage to mediate not only between Egypt and Ethiopia, but also the UAE and Qatar as well, thereby fulfilling the 21st-century “balancing” role being advanced by the “progressive” faction of Moscow’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

    The setting up of a base in Sudan would therefore allow Russia to complement its rapprochement with Saudi Arabia by giving it a regional stake in this new theater of the “Gulf Cold War” between the Kingdom’s allies and Qatar, as well as enable it to competitively reenter the realm of African affairs following its rapid retreat at the end of the Old Cold War. Russia would in essence be expanding its post-“Arab Spring” influence in North Africa further south along the Red Sea in approaching East Africa, which provides a strategic gateway to eventually embracing Ethiopia and establishing a presence along China’s Sahelian-Saharan Silk Road to West Africa. All in all, it would make perfect sense if Russia followed through on President Bashir’s proposal and built a base in Sudan, as this would be a very low-cost but high-yield move that strategically embodies a win-win outcome for the Multipolar World Order.

    https://orientalreview.org/2017/12/05/heres-russia-might-set-red-sea-base-sudan/
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    Post  George1 on Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:44 pm

    MOSCOW, December 26. /TASS/. Russia’s Federation Council (upper house) approved on Tuesday the ratification of an agreement between Russia and Syria on expanding the naval facility near the port city of Tartus, making it a full-fledged naval base.

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    MOSCOW, December 26. /TASS/. Russia has started forming a permanent grouping of forces at the Tartus naval facility and the Hmeymim airbase in Syria, Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu said at a conference call on Tuesday.

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    Post  George1 on Thu May 10, 2018 12:37 am

    Victory Parade at Khmeimim airbase on May 9, 2018

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3192654.html
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    Post  par far on Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:54 pm

    What are your guys opinions on a Russian military base in Venezuela. I know it is far away from Russia(having a base in Venezuela will put Russia in a elite status of having a Blue Color Navy that can have bases far away from its shores) but it does not need to be a big base, it can be a small effective one and one that can help Venezuela with their military and intelligence services.

    There are a lot Russian oligarchs and Russian companies in Venezuela, there is a lot of oil in Venezuela and if Russia can secure it, Russia will control a lot of oil.

    There is a very good chance that Russia gets the base for free and just pays the set up costs.
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    Post  George1 on Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:57 pm

    Former chief of Navy Main Staff says port access agreement with Sudan doesn't foresee a base there

    https://ria.ru/20190109/1549137826.html
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    Post  ATLASCUB on Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:27 pm

    Hardware movement within your own borders a "response"...

    A bad day at the propaganda office I suppose.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:41 pm

    ATLASCUB wrote:Hardware movement within your own borders a "response"...

    A bad day at the propaganda office I suppose.

    Yes, they could build up a base in Venezuela. But I think that would be more of a last move.
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    Post  Hole on Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:56 pm

    Cuba is closer to censored Very Happy
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:41 pm

    Hole wrote:Cuba is closer to censored  Very Happy

    Caracas Miami 2,200kms. Gzur rsange 1,500km. But you need to stabilize Venezuelan economy first.
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    Post  Isos on Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:44 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Hole wrote:Cuba is closer to censored  Very Happy

    Caracas Miami 2,200kms. Gzur rsange 1,500km. But you need to stabilize Venezuelan economy first.

    If they get the island they inspected they don't need to stabilize anything. Just send the army there, occupy the island if needed, just need to sign a contract for 99 years while Maduro is still worth something like USA did in Cuba for guantanamo.

    Then make a referendum for bringing the island to the motherland as it would be populated by russian citizens for 99 years. Democratic way Very Happy


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:47 pm

    Isos wrote:

    If they get the island they don't need to stabilize anything. Just send the army their occupy the island if needed just need to sign a contract for 99 years while Maduro is still worth something like USA did in Cuba for guantanamo.

    this would be tempting option definitely. For subs, airbase, missile base Very Happy:D:D
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    Post  Isos on Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:48 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Isos wrote:

    If they get the island they don't need to stabilize anything. Just send the army their occupy the island if needed just need to sign a contract for 99 years while Maduro is still worth something like USA did in Cuba for guantanamo.

    this would be tempting option definitely. For subs, airbase, missile base Very Happy:D:D

    I edited my post. Very Happy
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:45 am

    Don't make it a 99 year agreement... make it open ended like the US and guantanimo in cuba...
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    Post  Hole on Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:54 am

    The contract for Gitmo is not open ended. The phrase is that it can only be closed by consent of both parties. No
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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:04 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Hole wrote:Cuba is closer to censored  Very Happy

    Caracas Miami 2,200kms. Gzur rsange 1,500km. But you need to stabilize Venezuelan economy first.

    Actually, the base could be a good economic benefit for Venezuela. The Russian base would need fuel, food, other utilities, etc. And then they (Russia) would have to pay rent.

    In this case, can be good financial flow.

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