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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Werewolf on Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:19 pm

    Interesting thought...but it would need still some air in it to sustain its depth and not to sink to the ground like a stone.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:00 pm

    Werewolf wrote:Interesting thought...but it would need still some air in it to sustain its depth and not to sink to the ground like a stone.

    Indeed butt amount is significantly smaller and because of relatively small hull probably can be much stronger. Instead of break the hull it can be just pushed away. If electronic will be shock resistant nothin serious shall happen.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Jun 11, 2015 5:06 pm

    The Russian Navy by 2020 will receive a large landing ship of the new generation

    So helicopter carrier underway ?

    РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150611/1069502103.html#ixzz3clXA44Rd

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150611/1069502103.html

    MOSCOW, June 11 - RIA Novosti. The Navy Russia by 2020 will replenish a large landing ship (BDK) of new generation, said Thursday the head of the ship of the Russian Navy captain Vladimir rag-pickers.

    In Kaliningrad Shipyard "Yantar" on Thursday, an official ceremony for the first batch BDK project 11711 titled "Peter Morgunov."

    "In the next 5 years will be deployed construction of a new generation of large amphibious ships ... The first such large landing ship is planned to build by 2020" - said the rag-pickers.

    He added that the next generation of ships will greatly exceed the BDK is now under construction on the tonnage and desantovmestimosti and will be able to carry on board one, but several helicopters.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jun 12, 2015 11:43 am

    It could be built neutrally buoyant, with a few compressed air cylinders filled with liquid nitrogen that could fill bags with nitrogen gas when surfacing is required...

    Note most submarines are vulnerable because the insides contain air which is easily compressible... compared with the water outside the vessel which does not compress.

    the result is devastating because when the warhead explodes against the hull of the sub the metal behind the point of the explosion can easily compress inwards while the huge mass of water behind the explosive charge on the outside of the sub is not compressible and reflects the explosion back into the hull of the sub.

    Double hulled subs can have water on both sides of the outer hull so the outer metal hull is supported by several metres of incompressible water behind it, but a single hull has compressible air which of course immediately collapses and compresses... followed by a flood of water at high pressure...

    and will be able to carry on board one, but several helicopters.

    Sounds like Mistral II.


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Rmf on Fri Jun 12, 2015 12:50 pm

    Werewolf wrote:Interesting thought...but it would need still some air in it to sustain its depth and not to sink to the ground like a stone.
    in some experiments they used to fill vehicle it with oil , electrical insulating transformator-oil that is.
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    Post  Werewolf on Fri Jun 12, 2015 1:03 pm

    Rmf wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Interesting thought...but it would need still some air in it to sustain its depth and not to sink to the ground like a stone.
    in some experiments they used to fill vehicle it with oil , electrical insulating transformator-oil that is.

    That's true, heared about a method they used with TV's in oil containers for forest workers in brazil where the humidity percentage is so high that most TV's would short circuit themselfs.

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    Post  wilhelm on Fri Jun 12, 2015 2:12 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:The Russian Navy by 2020 will receive a large landing ship of the new generation

    So helicopter carrier underway ?

    РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150611/1069502103.html#ixzz3clXA44Rd

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150611/1069502103.html

    MOSCOW, June 11 - RIA Novosti. The Navy Russia by 2020 will replenish a large landing ship (BDK) of new generation, said Thursday the head of the ship of the Russian Navy captain Vladimir rag-pickers.

    In Kaliningrad Shipyard "Yantar" on Thursday, an official ceremony for the first batch BDK project 11711 titled "Peter Morgunov."

    "In the next 5 years will be deployed construction of a new generation of large amphibious ships ... The first such large landing ship is planned to build by 2020" - said the rag-pickers.

    He added that the next generation of ships will greatly exceed the BDK is now under construction on the tonnage and desantovmestimosti and will be able to carry on board one, but several helicopters.


    Interesting.

    I wonder which design they went for?
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  max steel on Fri Jun 12, 2015 2:41 pm

    1)Can US ships EW system and Nulka decoys or of various hardkill systems  damage russian ashm moskit , yakhont , klub  missile guidance ?



    2)We've seen in anti-ship missile defense(ASMD) trials that ESSM RIM-116 , ASTER were succesful in destroying incoming supersonic ashm's . So how exactly russian supersonic ashm will go past american anti-ship defenses ? DuTCH HAD GOALKEEPER in 90's o intercept supersonic ashm .


    3) Any idea on it : GQM-163 SSST: A Tricky Coyote to Match Wits With Defenses

    The rocket-boosted, ramjet-powered GQM-163A was developed to simulate supersonic cruise missiles like the SS-N-22 external link Sunburn, Kh-31 external link (aka. AS-17 Krypton, which may have an anti-air AWACS-killer version external link), the Indo-Russian PJ-10 external link Brahmos, etc., which are proliferating throughout the world. Their speed and evasive maneuvers compress the amount of time a defense system has to deal with them to under a minute. A training target that can simulate their performance is critical to both proper preparedness and pursuant performance.

    Despite this growing need, the Supersonic Sea Skimming Target (SSST) program moved very slowly in the 1990s, with false starts that included a Boeing-Strela Kh-31 Krypton variant before the decision was made to develop a new SSST. Orbital Sciences won the contract in June 2000, but the BQM-163 suffered a number of program delays before its final developmental test flight eventually took place in in April 2005. The program is now moving forward, slowly, and picking up international customers .


    The Coyote target missile design integrates a 4-inlet, solid-fuel ducted-rocket ramjet propulsion system into a compact missile airframe 18 feet long and 14 inches in diameter. Rail-launched from Navy test and training ranges, the highly maneuverable Coyote achieves cruise speeds of over Mach 2.5, with a range of approximately 60 nautical miles at altitudes of less than 20 feet above the sea surface



    http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/gqm163-ssst-a-tricky-coyote-to-match-wits-with-defenses-03155/
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  franco on Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:01 pm

    Three new Raptor PC accepted at Novorossiysk and 1 "21820" LCM in Vladivostok.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jun 13, 2015 9:20 am

    2)We've seen in anti-ship missile defense(ASMD) trials that ESSM RIM-116 , ASTER were succesful in destroying incoming supersonic ashm's . So how exactly russian supersonic ashm will go past american anti-ship defenses ? DuTCH HAD GOALKEEPER in 90's o intercept supersonic ashm .

    Hahaha... yeah, and in the early 1980s the British fleet sailed to the south atlantic safe and secure in the knowledge that the Seawolf missile could shoot down any threat to British shipping including 114mm artillery shells.

    Didn't really work that way though in practise....

    The Coyote target missile design integrates a 4-inlet, solid-fuel ducted-rocket ramjet propulsion system into a compact missile airframe 18 feet long and 14 inches in diameter. Rail-launched from Navy test and training ranges, the highly maneuverable Coyote achieves cruise speeds of over Mach 2.5, with a range of approximately 60 nautical miles at altitudes of less than 20 feet above the sea surface

    So what they are saying is that after almost 20 years of development they have a missile that almost exactly replicates an early Kh-31 and perhaps with a bit more work they might get it to achieve the performance of the later Kh-31s in terms of range... how freakin amazing... they should pat themselves on the back... in 40 or 50 years they might be able to replicate the SS-N-22 which entered service in about 1984...  SS-N-22 is a 4 ton mach 2.5 anti ship missile with a range of about 120km, and packing one hell of a punch.

    In a few years the Zircon will enter service flying at mach 7-8...

    note that the picture shown is of a Kh-31 with a huge solid rocket booster behind it.... I would suggest they don't show off too much regarding this breakthrough.


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    Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Viktor on Sun Jun 14, 2015 12:26 am

    Russia upgrading Soviet SOSUS netwoork in Barents sea by 105km  thumbsup


    Upgrading Barents Sea Undersea Surveillance
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    Post  franco on Sun Jun 14, 2015 12:50 am

    Viktor wrote:Russia upgrading Soviet SOSUS netwoork in Barents sea by 105km  thumbsup


    Upgrading Barents Sea Undersea Surveillance

    I wonder if they are doing something also in the Baltic as the Finns were complaining about finding some mysterious cables.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Jun 14, 2015 1:02 am

    franco wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Russia upgrading Soviet SOSUS netwoork in Barents sea by 105km  thumbsup


    Upgrading Barents Sea Undersea Surveillance

    I wonder if they are doing something also in the Baltic as the Finns were complaining about finding some mysterious cables.

    I was thinking the same thing when I read that report
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Jun 14, 2015 10:11 am

    Example of an underwater survelillance-detection system from the "Atol" institute...all the components in the link below

    Arrow http://www.niiatoll.ru/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=72&Itemid=469

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  max steel on Sun Jun 14, 2015 10:25 am

    GarryB wrote:
    2)We've seen in anti-ship missile defense(ASMD) trials that ESSM RIM-116 , ASTER were succesful in destroying incoming supersonic ashm's . So how exactly russian supersonic ashm will go past american anti-ship defenses ? DuTCH HAD GOALKEEPER in 90's o intercept supersonic ashm .

    Hahaha... yeah, and in the early 1980s the British fleet sailed to the south atlantic safe and secure in the knowledge that the Seawolf missile could shoot down any threat to British shipping including 114mm artillery shells.

    Didn't really work that way though in practise....

    The Coyote target missile design integrates a 4-inlet, solid-fuel ducted-rocket ramjet propulsion system into a compact missile airframe 18 feet long and 14 inches in diameter. Rail-launched from Navy test and training ranges, the highly maneuverable Coyote achieves cruise speeds of over Mach 2.5, with a range of approximately 60 nautical miles at altitudes of less than 20 feet above the sea surface

    So what they are saying is that after almost 20 years of development they have a missile that almost exactly replicates an early Kh-31 and perhaps with a bit more work they might get it to achieve the performance of the later Kh-31s in terms of range... how freakin amazing... they should pat themselves on the back... in 40 or 50 years they might be able to replicate the SS-N-22 which entered service in about 1984...  SS-N-22 is a 4 ton mach 2.5 anti ship missile with a range of about 120km, and packing one hell of a punch.

    In a few years the Zircon will enter service flying at mach 7-8...

    note that the picture shown is of a Kh-31 with a huge solid rocket booster behind it.... I would suggest they don't show off too much regarding this breakthrough.



    Thanks Garry . but you haven't answered my first question ?

    Can US ships EW system and Nulka decoys or of various hardkill systems  damage russian ashm moskit , yakhont , klub  missile guidance ?
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  higurashihougi on Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:45 pm

    Sorry if anyone has posted it and I failed to notice that...

    http://thediplomat.com/2015/06/how-the-ukraine-crisis-interrupts-putins-naval-dreams/

    Basically the article's opinion is this: Russia is depending on a number of Ukrainian parts of the shipbuilding sector, and a bad Russo-Ukraina relationship is harming the proccess of building Russian Navy.

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