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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:34 pm


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:10 pm

    I am not sure if this is true but...in this forum guys claim that 12800 is revoked by Almaz 12300... so not really corvette but more a missile boat. If this is true then I wonder why ASW protection is nto so important anymore for RN:

    But there is also a revised draft number, etc. 12,300 won. 22800 from the CMDB Almaz.s VI> 500 t, with A-190 and CP for SPAR onyx. Diamond, in fact, was the developer of the Soviet pr. 1234, 1241, and has experience in the development of this class.

    http://glav.su/forum/5-military/469/threads/928802-thread/




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    But this is Scxoprion maybe 12800 is a bit bigger and can have containers for Clubs and ASW? Looks like green water bur good for Baltic, Black seas or Sakhalin protectvion

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Cucumber Khan on Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:57 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:But this is Scxoprion maybe 12800 is a bit bigger and can have containers for Clubs and ASW? Looks like green water bur good for Baltic, Black seas or Sakhalin protectvion

    The Project 22800 will have a range of "thousands" of miles, and an endurance of 30 days. So they look to be something more than than a small missile boat.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  medo on Wed Jul 01, 2015 10:27 pm

    I think it will be similar to Buyan-M missile corvettes, but better for deep sea operations than Buyans for Baltic, Northern and Pacific fleets. Caspian and Black Sea fleets will get Buyan-M ships.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jul 01, 2015 10:39 pm


    Or enlarged Project 22160 patrol ship...

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:04 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Or enlarged Project 22160 patrol ship...

    That would be best option IMHO - 22160 with fairly good ASW defenses (unlike Molnya or Buyan) - rest in containers.

    BUT
    http://tass.ru/en/russia/805257


    "To keep the pace of ship construction, we’ll replace, for example, [Project] 11356 by building a new series of vessels - small missile ships, corvettes armed with cruise missiles - [Project] 22800. This work is being done today, and we hope that by the end of the year we’ll be able to lay down the first ship," Chirkov said at the St. Petersburg International Maritime Defence Show (IMDS-2015).

    and


    According to him, the new ships will be built in large series - 18 vessels as a minimum.

    According to Chirkov, certain parameters of the new corvettes are already known, although the designing is not over yet. In particular, ships of Project 22800 will be equipped with Russian propulsion plants, their operating range will reach 1,000 miles and sea endurance - 30 days. They will have improved seaworthiness characteristics.

    Here Scorpion 800t with Tunguska rockets

    and here 460t version´s range is 2000miles...600t - 3500 miles
    http://www.almaz-kb.ru/rus/catalogue/12300_1.php


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  chicken on Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:04 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    chicken wrote:3S-24E?

    Kh-35 Urans (3M24).

    3S24E is the designation not of the missile but of those ship-based quad-launchers you see in the render.
    In fact the E letter at the end denotes it as an export designation of the system, suggesting that they're already marketing this whole ship to international customers. Makes sense as the video is in English after all.

    Makes sense since the container missile is probably export Klub-K. But the SAM looks Redut rather than Shtil. Are they exporting Redut?

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Austin on Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:19 am

    Looks like Onyx is temporary ..not surprising as Onyx/Brahmos has its root in late 80's

    Russia has developed a long-range anti-ship missile


    Prospective supersonic anti-ship missiles (ASM), a range of over 400 km, is being developed by order of the Russian Navy to equip new ships, carrier-based aircraft and shore facilities, according to Interfax-AVN citing a senior source in the military-industrial complex

    "We develop on request Command of the Navy unobtrusive vysokoavtonomnuyu anti-ship missile. Her options will be the main weapon for the antiship developed, built and modernized ships and coastal missile systems in both mobile and mine, "- said in the IMDS-2015.
    He said that according to the instructions of the customer, the new range of RCC combined path will be more than 400 km, and when flying at super-low altitudes up to 200 km.


    According to him, the new rocket should be virtually invisible to enemy radar by introducing technologies of low visibility.

    It is assumed that the RCC will be able to make an independent search, identification of a moving target, and its defeat without external targeting. Ship option is to launch missiles from the vertical launch cell installation.

    Currently, the nuclear submarines of projects 949 and 949A, and the heavy nuclear missile cruiser Project 1144 "Orlan" consist of long-range anti-ship missiles 3M45 complex "Granit". Range missile 3M55 Russian complex P-800 "Onyx" in the high-altitude path - 450 km, the combined path - 300 km., On the small path - 120 km.

    The range of Russian-Indian supersonic PJ-10 ASM "BrahMos" in the flight path of the combined is 300 km, and only when flying at low altitude - 120 km.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  TheArmenian on Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:35 am

    Austin wrote:Russian Navy to get 18 new class corvettes — commander

    Any specs of 22800 class ?



    Here are the specs of the Project 12300 (in brief):

    Displacement: 800 T
    Length : 60 m
    Speed : 30 knots
    Range : 2500 miles
    Endurance : 15 days
    Armament : 1 x76, cruise missiles, gun/missile anti-air module

    The project 22800 is based on the Project 12300 SKORPION which used to be a 500T missile ship. It grew up to 800T later on.
    Here is a photo of the early model Pr. 12300 SKORPION that had a displacement of 500 T.


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  TheArmenian on Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:44 am

    Another non-traditional concept shown:








    Also check out these pages for photos of the IMDS-2015 naval show:

    http://bastion-karpenko.ru/ships-imds-2015/
    http://bastion-opk.ru/imds-2015/

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:23 am

    ST. PETERSBURG (Sputnik) – Trials for Russia’s first reconnaissance flagship against US missile defense systems will begin in 2016, the head of the department of Russian state defense providers for the United Shipbuilders Corporation said Thursday.

    “Plant trials…for the Ivan Khurs will be held in the third quarter of 2016 in accordance with the construction schedule. The ship is meant to provide communication and manage the fleet’s forces, conduct radio-electronic warfare, radio reconnaissance, and tracking of US missile defense systems,” Anatoly Shlemov told RIA Novosti.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/world/20150702/1024111537.html#ixzz3eixfeA5T

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:47 pm

    Guys, there's a freakin' naval expo in St. Pete, where are the pics? angry

    I came here to enjoy fruits of other people's hard work not to do any work myself!!!    cry

    Oh well, if you insist...    cry


    Extra pics for Project 20386 (with some repost probably, can't remember, sorry...) :

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:35 pm

    Container missiles Klub and Uran:

    http://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/86451.html














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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  max steel on Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:14 pm

    Austin wrote:Looks like Onyx is temporary ..not surprising as Onyx/Brahmos has its root in late 80's

    Russia has developed a long-range anti-ship missile


    Prospective supersonic anti-ship missiles (ASM), a range of over 400 km, is being developed by order of the Russian Navy to equip new ships, carrier-based aircraft and shore facilities, according to Interfax-AVN citing a senior source in the military-industrial complex

    "We develop on request Command of the Navy unobtrusive vysokoavtonomnuyu anti-ship missile. Her options will be the main weapon for the antiship developed, built and modernized ships and coastal missile systems in both mobile and mine, "- said in the IMDS-2015.
    He said that according to the instructions of the customer, the new range of RCC combined path will be more than 400 km, and when flying at super-low altitudes up to 200 km.


    According to him, the new rocket should be virtually invisible to enemy radar by introducing technologies of low visibility.

    It is assumed that the RCC will be able to make an independent search, identification of a moving target, and its defeat without external targeting. Ship option is to launch missiles from the vertical launch cell installation.

    Currently, the nuclear submarines of projects 949 and 949A, and the heavy nuclear missile cruiser Project 1144 "Orlan" consist of long-range anti-ship missiles 3M45 complex "Granit". Range missile 3M55 Russian complex P-800 "Onyx" in the high-altitude path - 450 km, the combined path - 300 km., On the small path - 120 km.

    The range of Russian-Indian supersonic PJ-10 ASM "BrahMos" in the flight path of the combined is 300 km, and only when flying at low altitude - 120 km.





    Will it be more deadlier than LRASM-A ? US scrapped LRASM-B projekt .

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Mike E on Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:50 am

    A RC plane with a five pound bomb is deadlier than the LRASM  lol1

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Vann7 on Fri Jul 03, 2015 3:41 am

    I really think.. Russia needs to get rid of their big surface warships and have vast majority
    their surface attack warships no bigger than a corvette. with as many sailors as possible.
    Because surface navy is really vulnerable and exposed.. Can be seen from space its location
    and even a cheap torpedo or two can sink a destroyer ,with hundreds of sailors ..  It will be
    far better if Russia replace 1 Slava class.. for x10 patrol boats and then spread them.
    That way is a major attack/accident or provokation happens.. that your warship is
    attacked ,instead of losing 500 sailors , you lose just x12-x20.  Many mini warships /corvettes or extended range patrol boats can cover far more sea area and significantly raise the awareness of the radars ,by being in many places deployed.. instead of just one place like is the case of big warships.

    Build a couple dozen of this warships

     

    To do the offensive job of one destroyer.They could be armed with 1 or 2 Onyks missiles and
    Igla-S or better man pads. They can be used as early warning system ,deployed withing 30km to 60km distance of an Aircraft carrier.. and monitor in case of any attack any enemy planes flying low or incoming torpedo or low flying missile. with their manpads could even intercept
    cruise missiles way earlier than they get close to any major warships or aircraft carrier.

    http://www.janes.com/article/41437/zelenodolsk-building-modular-patrol-ships-for-the-russian-navy

    We only need to see how have been real life experience about Naval warfare.. Israel lost a top of the line destroyer to 2 egyptian patrol boats.. armed with Russian torpedos..  And Hezbolah wiped a modern Israeli corvette without even having a navy.. just launching a land to water chinese very cheap modified torpedo ,they got from IRAN. Then you have the british Navy, that lose a BIg warship by just 2 cheap anti-ship missiles launched by the argentian airforce launched from obsolete planes they have. They sneak into the British navy by flying low.

    Even a low flying drone that could hug the sea surface can sink a destroyer..

    This means that when it comes to navy ,you can be far more effective with more cheaper,smaller and more mobile warfare. I really consider having a Huge Warship a big Risk.. like putting all your eggs in one basket..  One destroyer for Pacific and another for Northern sea should be enough if Russia see a need to travel far away of its land... the rest should be patrol boats and corvettes very well armed.  You could have for example small corvettes with Ka-52 naval hellicopters armed with Onix missiles. And it could be very economically cost /effective ,more than building many destroyers with thousands of sailors.

    THere is also the aspect of politics.. the political cost of any president losing a destroyer in any small war conflict will be very high.. one lucky cheap torpedo or a mine in the right place ,can send to the button of the sea a kirov class cruiser,losing many hundreds of sailors. The major unrest you will get in your cities will be the worse part.. compare that of losing a patrol boat with just 10 sailors.. vs  losing a kirov class with near 800 sailors. Huge difference. If both can launch an Onyks missile..then why bother building Big warships ,if small patrol boats can use the same weapons. Patrols Boats does not need S-400s.. Hellicopters launching Decoys and counter jamming electronics will fool any missile.   All said.. I really think Russia Navy should
    be mostly made as a purely offensive navy ,using fast mobile patrol boats and corvettes ,in companion with Ka-52 attack hellicopters.  Intead of having One Mistral warship.. having 16x
    patrol boats like the above picture could have the same offensive capability on the sea. Is not like Russia will invade any nation ever far away of its land..that will need a Mistral carrier to transport tanks.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  TheArmenian on Fri Jul 03, 2015 10:22 am

    naval artillery shooting range in Ryjevka (St. Petersburg area).




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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  TheArmenian on Fri Jul 03, 2015 10:54 am

    The replacement of Pr. 21631 BUYAN-M corvettes will be the Pr. 21635 SARSAR for domestic and export.

    Pr. 21635 SARSAR is presented at the IMDS-2015 show in 4 different versions:
    1-Anti Ship version armed with Kalibr or Onyx missiles
    2-Anti Ship version (lite) armed with Hermes-K missiles
    3-Anti Submarine version armed with PAKET-M system
    4-Patrol version

    The gun armaments will be 57mm or 76mm
    Displacements will be 920 -1000 T

    This one is the Anti Submarine version (3)


    And this one is the Patrol version (4)

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:22 pm

    Vann... getting rid of all the big ships is like getting rid of all the big planes, or getting rid of the big SAMs and just having MANPADS...

    You lose a lot of capability if you get rid of the big things and the whole system becomes rather less effective... and it doesn't make it cheaper...


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:07 pm

    Project 22160. Looks like it has two slots under helo deck, each for one Klub container with 4 missiles.

    That would make for 8 Klubs plus AA missiles and a main gun in the front and maybe torpedoes and pantsir or something similar, am I right?

    If yes, then it would be well rounded ship in my (naval noob) book...

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    Post  calripson on Fri Jul 03, 2015 8:44 pm

    You are actually describing a very old reality - witness the Bismarck. But it is not really a question of "large ships", it is a question of "second best" when it comes to naval warfare. In naval warfare, there is little value in being second best. One needs to be preeminent. The reality for Russia is the US Navy, not to mention the addition of allied navies, is vastly superior to the Russian navy in numbers. Large Russian surface ships would be sunk very quickly in an all out confrontation, the only impediment to doing so would be the risk of nuclear escalation. Second best navies always get the most bang for their buck asymmetrically (witness German submarine warfare in both world wars). Russia should allocate its naval expenditures accordingly.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Viktor on Fri Jul 03, 2015 8:54 pm

    From 2020 5th gen nuclear subs will enter production

    - SSBN
    - SSGN

    with the same body and a nuclear reactor. Basically a same sub but with different "addons" Very Happy

    http://lenta.ru/news/2015/07/03/submarine/

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  max steel on Fri Jul 03, 2015 9:19 pm

    Reconnaissance ship to monitor US missile defense system to begin tests in 2016


    Tests of the leading reconnaissance ship of the 18280 “Ivan Khurs” project, intended to monitor the US missile defense system, will begin in 2016, director of the state procurement department of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC), Anatoly Shlemov told RIA Novosti on Wednesday.


    He takes part in the International Maritime Defense Show in St Petersburg with the USC delegation.
    He added that the main feature of the ships of this project is the high level of automation and integration of systems.


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    Russian Helicopters showcases renewed production of amphibious Mi-14PS

    During the 7th International Maritime Defence Show (IMDS 2015), which is being held in St. Petersburg from 1 to 5 July 2015, Russian Helicopters (part of State Corporation Rostec) showcasing potential plans for the renewed production of the unique amphibious Mi-14 helicopter. This multirole helicopter can land and taxi on water, and also take-off from water.

    Mi-14 helicopters were developed by the Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant and produced by Kazan Helicopters from 1973 to 1986. Both enterprises are a part of Russian Helicopters. Where there is interest from potential customers, the company is ready to upgrade the amphibious helicopter with the latest technologies and re-start production.

    This helicopter can significantly expand the range of search and rescue operations for the emergency services, and can also be operated by the Navy.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jul 03, 2015 11:27 pm

    This could mean more Zubrs might be coming to to RU Navy too?

    http://tass.ru/en/russia/805808

    Rosoboronexport to supply to China Zubr landing craft ordered in Ukraine


    The Morye shipyard that designed these Zubr vessels is a Russian plant, so the task is to fulfill this contract signed between Ukraine and China, Rosoboronexport deputy CEO Igor Sevastyanov explains

    ST. PETERSBURG, July 3. /TASS/. Russia’s arms exporter Rosoboronexport intends to fulfill the contract on the supply of the Zubr landing ships to China, Rosoboronexport deputy CEO Igor Sevastyanov told reporters on Friday at the International Maritime Defence Show (IMDS-2015) in St. Petersburg.

    "The Morye shipyard that designed these Zubr vessels is a Russian plant, so, naturally, the task is to fulfill this contract — the contract that had been sign.......................................

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