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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  George1 on Wed May 20, 2015 1:50 pm

    Deputy Commander of the Russian Navy arrived at the Naval Show in Singapore
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    Post  flamming_python on Wed May 20, 2015 2:41 pm

    we are currently looking for a customer-defined research and development, modeling, prototyping

    An elegantly evasive way of saying that they don't have any customer interest at the moment at all and that this is simply their private initiative/wet dream.

    BTW such talk and proposals of reviving ekranoplans have been around since the 90s. One company made some scale models too, and made the same proposals about oceanographic uses, etc..

    As it stands now, it's as dead as the flying saucer I'm afraid.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  sepheronx on Wed May 20, 2015 3:42 pm

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20150520/1022363599.html

    As I said in the past, using foreign components in anything military related was stupid.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  medo on Wed May 20, 2015 4:54 pm

    I wonder what foreign components, other than engines, those Gremyashchy corvettes use? Armament is domestic, radars, EW and communications are domestic. There is nothing there, they could not produce at home. Domestic engines will maybe take some time to be produced, but there is no reason to cancel the project.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Cyberspec on Thu May 21, 2015 1:05 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    we are currently looking for a customer-defined research and development, modeling, prototyping

    An elegantly evasive way of saying that they don't have any customer interest at the moment at all and that this is simply their private initiative/wet dream.

    BTW such talk and proposals of reviving ekranoplans have been around since the 90s. One company made some scale models too, and made the same proposals about oceanographic uses, etc..

    As it stands now, it's as dead as the flying saucer I'm afraid.

    True, but a bit too pesimistic IMO.

    If it was dead they wouldn't be still bringing it up at conferences and promoting it...it also sounds like they're still working on it at some level.


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    Some news on the 'Yantar' (Pr. 22010) Oceanographic Research Vessel ....Spy ship ?

    In August, the "Yantar" will go out into the Atlantic for continued testing of all its hardware. By October, the test must be completed, and depending on the success of the tests, the customer to decide on the construction of a series of such ships, the source said.

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150520/1065498684.html#ixzz3afN2kLT9


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Zivo on Thu May 21, 2015 1:23 am

    Some samples from the Russian start-up Sky and Sea Group.

    http://sky-and-sea.net/

    Burevestnik-24:







    HSA-500 concept with a 300t cargo capacity.








    Ekranoplans preform just as well on ice as they do on water, and could easily be deployed in the arctic for practically every conceivable mission due to their speed and payload. Russia still retains engineers who have real world experience designing and building these vessels. There's a real possibility these could be revived, but of course, it all depends on budget.


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu May 21, 2015 1:23 am

    medo wrote:I wonder what foreign components, other than engines, those Gremyashchy corvettes use? Armament is domestic, radars, EW and communications are domestic. There is nothing there, they could not produce at home. Domestic engines will maybe take some time to be produced, but there is no reason to cancel the project.

    The word "cancel" is probably misleading. The intention is most likely to complete the 2x Gremyashchy vessels with domestic equivalents of the originally intended foreign components (whatever they are), and then develop a follow-on class where the design is reworked to optimise it for those domestic equivalents, a Gremyashchy Mk II if you will. The need for a further development of the Stereguschy doesn't simply evaporate...
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Cyberspec on Thu May 21, 2015 2:16 am

    Nice find Zivo +

    Big_Gazza wrote:The word "cancel" is probably misleading.  The intention is most likely to complete the 2x Gremyashchy vessels with domestic equivalents of the originally intended foreign components (whatever they are), and then develop a follow-on class where the design is reworked to optimise it for those domestic equivalents, a Gremyashchy Mk II if you will.  The need for a further development of the Stereguschy doesn't simply evaporate...

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    Post  higurashihougi on Thu May 21, 2015 5:24 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    medo wrote:I wonder what foreign components, other than engines, those Gremyashchy corvettes use? Armament is domestic, radars, EW and communications are domestic. There is nothing there, they could not produce at home. Domestic engines will maybe take some time to be produced, but there is no reason to cancel the project.

    The word "cancel" is probably misleading.  The intention is most likely to complete the 2x Gremyashchy vessels with domestic equivalents of the originally intended foreign components (whatever they are), and then develop a follow-on class where the design is reworked to optimise it for those domestic equivalents, a Gremyashchy Mk II if you will.  The need for a further development of the Stereguschy doesn't simply evaporate...

    And this is a lost to Germany rather than to Russia. Domestic consumption of Germany weapons is very low due to the low military budget of Germany. So losing any foreign deal is a severe blow to German military industry.

    And the result ? Anti-NATO, anti-Obama is increasing in the EU. EU knows that all these are due to the "sanction" initiated by the White House. And with the increase of anti-Obama in EU, well, the day that NATO disintegrate will not be very far.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  GarryB on Thu May 21, 2015 8:38 am

    When you have a break from developing and making things for 10-15 years it is not easy to just jump straight back into production like nothing happened.

    If you want to entertain your children or yourself you don't get the set square out and the pencil and develop a new gaming machine... you look at what is available and how much it costs.

    If you decide that buying Ukrainian parts is no easier than buying from any other foreign country then the germans do make good engines and if you were going to buy foreign engines anyway why not buy German instead of unreliable Ukrainian.

    Same applied to night optics... why buy expensive ex soviet thermal imagers from belarus, when French thermals are far superior in terms of performance and resolution despite being only slightly more expensive.

    Obviously the problem is created when you import German diesels and their government imposes sanctions... when you have licence production of French thermals however things are rather easier, though more expensive than just buying off the shelf...

    And this is a lost to Germany rather than to Russia.

    Ironic that the German worker probably would appreciate the work, while the Russian worker is already busy and this will just delay other projects to make these engines too...


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  George1 on Thu May 21, 2015 10:36 pm

    Russia Has Technology to Build Equivalent of Mistral Helicopter Carrier

    Russia possesses the necessary technology to build helicopter carriers similar to the French-made Mistral-class ships, Russian presidential aide Vladimir Kozhin said.

    "We have such capacity, no problems. If we extremely need it, we will build this ship. Now everything is changing rapidly, and for us [the delivery of Mistrals] is not so crucial. If they are not delivered, our defense potential will not sharply decrease."

    Russian President Vladimir Putin said during his annual Q&A session last month that refusal to deliver Mistrals did not affect Russian defense capabilities in a negative way adding that "the contract has been first of all aimed at "supporting our [French] partners and assuring that their shipyards are busy."

    Russia and France signed a $1.3 billion deal for two Mistral-class ships in 2011. The handover of the first vessel was scheduled for November 2014, but French President Francois Hollande put the delivery on hold over Moscow's alleged role in the Ukrainian crisis, a claim denied by the Kremlin.

    Meanwhile, the upkeep and maintenance costs for the two ships will cost French taxpayers €5 million per month. Paris considered dismantling the two Mistral ships, commissioned by Russia, or selling them to a third party, French media reported.

    Earlier in May, Russian newspaper Kommersant reported that Paris had proposed to terminate the contract, offering to pay some 785 million euros ($865 million) back, on condition that Russia allows France to sell the ships to a third party. Moscow, reportedly, denied the offer, since the costs and losses Russia associated with the breach of the contract are currently estimated at about 1.163 billion euros.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20150521/1022415089.html#ixzz3ao7AGYZJ

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  nobunaga on Sun May 24, 2015 8:59 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    TR1 wrote:Oh, I am making crap up eh?

    The entire Block II line took 1-2 years for each boat to be laid down, finished and commissioned.
    The first was laid down in 2007. The last was commissioned in 2013. That series was composed of 6 boats. 6 nuclear attack boats in 7 years. Remind me when that has happened in Russia last?


    Blah blah blah blah will speed up blah blah blah.

    Yeah, it will increase over the first ship.
    By how much? Anywhere close to US speed?

    Project 955:
    1st ship: a century to finish. We know why.
    2nd ship: 9 years.
    3rd ship: 9 years.
    4th ship: 3 years and counting. Won't be commissioned for a while at best.

    Project 885:
    1st ship: two decades. We know why. Still in only experimental service.
    2nd ship: 6 years, still has not hit the water or started trials.

    Will it likely go faster? Sure. Not enough to make Vann's stupid point any closer to reality however.
    Especially in attack submarines, there won't be a "closing in numbers" between the two.


    The whole discussion utterly pointless. 4 submarine under construction is much better than a dozen that take a decade to get anywhere. I am exaggerating, but only slightly.


    I am gonna keep reposting this.

    Any further discussion is utterly pointless and a waste of my time.

    Oh, and to add to that:
    2 of the 677 submarines on Vann's chart........both laid down in 2005 and 2006.
    Khabarovsk is a rebuilt project 949A special purpose sub. Also in construction for decades.

    But yeah, catching up to the US navy any day now!



    Had to agree with TR1,russia submarine production is painfully slow.I would be very happy if 5 borei and 3~4 jasen get comissioned until 2020,especially knowing that first three borei subs used unfinished acula 2 hulls rest will be build from scratch.Building larger ocean going ships also seems to bee very difficult for russian shipyards,i don't know what is the problem but something has to be done if Russia intends to have respectfull navy in the future
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  George1 on Wed May 27, 2015 12:55 am

    Αnti-ship missile systems "Ball" transferred from the Caspian Sea to Crimea
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    Russian Navy: Status & News

    Post  AirCargo on Wed May 27, 2015 5:27 am

    Russian Shipbuilding is 70% Dependent on Foreign Electronics

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/russian-shipbuilding-is-70-dependent-on-foreign-electronics/522001.html
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  max steel on Wed May 27, 2015 7:33 am

    AirCargo wrote:Russian Shipbuilding is 70% Dependent on Foreign Electronics

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/russian-shipbuilding-is-70-dependent-on-foreign-electronics/522001.html


    Do you americans have problem in finding a reliable source ?or Whatever supports your narrative


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    Post  Big_Gazza on Wed May 27, 2015 11:48 am

    AirCargo wrote:Russian Shipbuilding is 70% Dependent on Foreign Electronics

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/russian-shipbuilding-is-70-dependent-on-foreign-electronics/522001.html

    That is complete rubbish, and "Moscow Times" is a terrible source. Its a Finnish media house masquerading as Russian so it can peddle its anti-Russian establishment seditious crap to what they hope are an unsuspecting Russian public.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  GarryB on Wed May 27, 2015 12:47 pm

    “We have these types of ships planned…but we will build them a bit differently. We’re not going to blatantly copy the [French] Mistral [design] right out,” Oleg Bochkaryov told journalists.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150526/1022566753.html#ixzz3bKoBxvpR


    Good news... they will get their money back and the French wont be able to sell Russias mistrals to a third country and Russia can redesign the Mistrals to better suit their own design needs and end up with hopefully a much better vessel that is all Russian and does not include any trojans or worms...



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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed May 27, 2015 6:59 pm

    AirCargo wrote:Russian Shipbuilding is 70% Dependent on Foreign Electronics

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/russian-shipbuilding-is-70-dependent-on-foreign-electronics/522001.html

    Moscow Time LMAO, couldn't find a better source? The National Enquirer has just as much credibility lol! lol1
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  kvs on Thu May 28, 2015 4:11 am

    These "abstract" articles dealing with supposed "issues" are the hallmark of propaganda. Why doesn't The Moscow Time report
    on an actual case of some Russian company having problems because they cannot procure those precious foreign electronics.
    I dare anyone to provide such an example.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  sepheronx on Thu May 28, 2015 4:20 am

    AirCargo wrote:Russian Shipbuilding is 70% Dependent on Foreign Electronics

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/russian-shipbuilding-is-70-dependent-on-foreign-electronics/522001.html

    If this was the case, then they wouldn't be able to build their corvettes, or their frigates or their icebreakers (which they have more than USA), etc etc etc. So I question its credibility. The fact that they are still churning out new ships and what not, gives me a different indication.

    Now if they said 70% on foreign manufacturing equipment and toolings, then I agree. At least I did agree. But things are changing of course.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  collegeboy16 on Thu May 28, 2015 2:33 pm

    AirCargo wrote:Russian Shipbuilding is 70% Dependent on Foreign Electronics
    hehe, and the West is what, 90% dependent on foreign(mostly taiwanese) chips.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu May 28, 2015 5:46 pm

    collegeboy16 wrote:
    AirCargo wrote:Russian Shipbuilding is 70% Dependent on Foreign Electronics
    hehe, and the West is what, 90% dependent on foreign(mostly taiwanese) chips.

    Let's not forget Boeing is dependent on 40% of it's titanium from Russia, so if the West stops all micro chips and electronics sales towards Russia, then Russia could cut a deal with China to give them a strategic bottleneck, where Russia stops selling titanium to the West, and only sells to China where they can make up the difference with a 25% mark up in exchange for a stragetic bottle neck that could hamper how many fighter planes the US and Japan could field, maintain or produce in any given year.

    Don't get the wrong idea, the US, Japan, etc. will still be able to obtain their titanium but at a significant increase in costs, making it much more difficult to maintain their air forces.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  George1 on Fri May 29, 2015 1:01 am

    Russian Navy will receive in return imported Russian sonars

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  victor1985 on Fri May 29, 2015 7:29 am

    How nice would be to put a railgun on submarines...they could hit ships...
    And maibe could find a way to shoot in water....maibe faster new torpedo will apear
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Cyberspec on Fri May 29, 2015 7:54 am

    Rus. Navy ships may receive electrical propulsion system of Russian production - said the head of the United shipbuilding Corporation Alexey Rakhmanov

    Currently on most warships, the transmission of power from the engine to the propeller shaft is via a gearbox. In the electrical propulsion system, electric power will power the engine and rotate the propellers.

    The obvious advantage of such a system for warships is the ability to quickly change the speed of propeller rotation and the ships direction, and consequently resulting in a higher acceleration and maneuverability of the ship. In addition, the implementation of the principle of electrical propulsion allows for freer layout of the ship in the sense of the location of the main power plant.



    The use of electrical propulsion system is being considered as a auxilary system to the main propulsion system in the design of the prospective destroyers

    http://flotprom.ru/2015/%D0%92%D0%BC%D1%8437/

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