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    Viktor
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Viktor on Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:58 pm

    Something to think about ... 





    The corvette project Saburov

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  flamming_python on Sat Dec 28, 2013 4:46 pm

    **southern US black man accent** da fuq is dat?..

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:00 pm

    A Zumwalt class under microscope this is  Laughing 
    It can be tried to see if it is effective, cheap and easy to make.
    In other words if Russian engineers can succeed where Americans failed.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  flamming_python on Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:15 pm

    It looks a lil' "light" in terms of anti-aircraft capabilities. I mean a Palma gun-missile CIWS and AK-630M2 gun CIWS. Ain't gonna cut it.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:29 pm

    Well, if your purpose is to create a testbed for design evaluation then I guess the anti-aircraft capabilities is of secondary importance.
    Let alone that in this size of only 2000 tons and with a tumblehome design Saburov will be strictly littoral ship.
    Probably for the same reason of seaworthiness  the design deviates so much to the prow as well.

    Again from a first glance, it seems to me, as an engineer by profession, that Russians took the theoretical idea
    and try to implement it where it is most effective and better applied, in small littoral ships, for close-to-shore stealthy operations,
    with more conservative, more trustworthy technological solutions.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  collegeboy16 on Sun Dec 29, 2013 11:03 am

    Looks nice, though Id replace the 100mm with a 152mm gun.
    Air defence looks weak though its not like it would have to fend off squadrons aircraft and tens of ashm all at once.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  TR1 on Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:11 pm

    6 UKSK modules on a 2k ton hull?

    Lol, yeah right guys. Impossubr!

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sun Dec 29, 2013 9:14 pm

    Wouldn't it be better for that concept corvette to have it's UKSKs reduced to 2 or 3 and others being replaced by a redut pod or morphei launchers?

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sun Dec 29, 2013 9:45 pm

    Its quite dissapointing that all the buyan corvette under construction are only for the caspian fleet, so many of these highly potent ships are commisioned in the caspian sea, a place where russia has virtually no geopolitical enemies and the biggest threat bieng illegal fishermen and possibly dagestani suicide baots at most. It feels like wasted potential. They could be very good landing support vessels and offer a good firepower boost for fleets in poor o outdated condition, namely the black sea and pasific fleet. So why Equip the caspian with them first?. I understand giving the flotilla 1 or 2 buyans but 4-5 is just overkill for the potential enemy navies there.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  TR1 on Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:12 pm

    1.) Dagestani suicide boats....come on.
    2.) The area is very resource rich. Hence important. Byans can strike the whole region with Kalibr. Hence placement in Caspian makes sense.
    3.) Caspian was going to dissapear without new boats. Why do you think they are focusing on BSF right after? They are replacing the most worn out fleets first.
    North and Pacific need bigger ships anyways and will have to wait their turn.
    4.) Black Sea is close and the ships can transit easily in and out of the theater. BSF is increasing in combat strength in general currently and over the next few years.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  navyfield on Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:20 pm

    Actually black sea fleet is more important and mediterranian... they would be much more valuable there is strategic sense.
    Caspian duties can be covered by Kazahstan fleet as a CIS member or they could built or buy ships.
    Besides russian aviation and coastal antiship batteries can cover whole area.


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:20 pm

    What country in the caspian would dare to confront russia's interests there? The almighty azeri or turkmen navies? LOL Even Iran isn't powerful there. IMO the caspian doesn't need warships at all . Land based Onyx and calibr, bereg artillery as well as the VVS would completely suffice in wiping out anything attacking russia there. Something as powerful as the buyan is completely unnecessary. The only boats russia would need there are some police or border guard patrol boats there. No more.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  TR1 on Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:22 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:What country in the caspian would dare to confront russia's interests there? The almighty azeri or turkmen navies? LOL Even Iran isn't powerful there. IMO the caspian doesn't need warships at all . Land based Onyx and calibr, bereg artillery as well as the VVS would completely suffice in wiping out anything attacking  russia there. Something as powerful as the buyan is completely unnecessary. The only boats russia would need there are some police or border guard patrol boats there. No more.

    Well, the Russian navy disagrees with you. What can I say?

    Get rid of any units in the area and suddenly you do have a potential for problems. Like I said, Kalibr is usefull for covering entire region, from relative safety of Caspian.

    And once again, they can easily and quickly be transferred to the BSF.

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    Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Viktor on Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:16 am

    Awesome footage of Kuz battlegroup in rough seas


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:21 am

    Viktor wrote:Something to think about ... 





    The corvette project Saburov

    ...Hmmm, yes I seen something on this project from IMDS-2011:

    http://vitalykuzmin.net/?q=node/376


    ...Here's other interesting littoral concepts:

    Strogiy:






    Orel:




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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  flamming_python on Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:59 am

    mack8 wrote:VMF receives one Il-38N:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OzD9EwoLWw#t=10

    A sidenote: didn't really knew where to put this, i thought initially to put it in the VVS section but of course it's naval themed. However most of the discussions here center around ships so it's easy imo to "loose" aviation developments. If i may propose something, how about having  a topic in the VVS section called "Russian Naval Aviation news" or something like that, just like there is a topic for civil aviation? This way everything that flies is nicely covered in one dedicated section, and it would be easier to keep up to date with the developments. Thank you.

    Russian Naval Aviation is part of the Fleet, so better to create such a topic here.
    Along with maybe 'Naval Infantry/Marines news'.
    Another topic for the coastal defense forces, auxillary units, radio bases and so on of the Fleet would be welcome too.
    And keep this topic for ships and subs.

    I'm all for it  clown

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    Russian Navy Status & News:

    Post  George1 on Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:20 pm

    Russian Navy to Get 40 New Ships in 2014

    MOSCOW, January 3 (RIA Novosti) – Russia’s Navy is expected to receive 40 new warships and auxiliary vessels in 2014, a high-ranking official said Friday.

    In addition to surface ships of various classes, the navy will also commission the third Borey-class nuclear powered ballistic missile submarine, the Vladimir Monomakh, and a Varshavyanka-class diesel electric submarine, Rear Admiral Viktor Bursuk, a deputy commander of the Russian navy, said.

    Bursuk, who oversees weapons procurement for the navy, said that Russia will continue the repair and overhaul of the Admiral Nakhimov nuclear-powered missile cruiser and three nuclear-powered attack submarines this year.

    The Kirov-class cruiser, known as the Kalinin until 1992, was commissioned in 1989 and mothballed in 1999. It has since been docked for upgrades at the Sevmash shipyard in the northern Russian city of Severodvinsk, on the White Sea.

    The Admiral Nakhimov is expected to rejoin the Russian navy in 2018 with the most advanced weapons systems for its vessel type, the Sevmash shipyard said in June last year.

    Auxiliary ships to be commissioned by the end of 2014 include the Igor Belousov, an advanced search-and-rescue ship designed to boost the navy’s ability to rescue submarines and ships in distress, Bursuk said.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  George1 on Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:22 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    mack8 wrote:VMF receives one Il-38N:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OzD9EwoLWw#t=10

    A sidenote: didn't really knew where to put this, i thought initially to put it in the VVS section but of course it's naval themed. However most of the discussions here center around ships so it's easy imo to "loose" aviation developments. If i may propose something, how about having  a topic in the VVS section called "Russian Naval Aviation news" or something like that, just like there is a topic for civil aviation? This way everything that flies is nicely covered in one dedicated section, and it would be easier to keep up to date with the developments. Thank you.

    Russian Naval Aviation is part of the Fleet, so better to create such a topic here.
    Along with maybe 'Naval Infantry/Marines news'.
    Another topic for the coastal defense forces, auxillary units, radio bases and so on of the Fleet would be welcome too.
    And keep this topic for ships and subs.

    I'm all for it  clown

    i made it Smile

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  runaway on Sat Jan 04, 2014 9:41 am

    George1 wrote:Russia will continue the repair and overhaul of the Admiral Nakhimov nuclear-powered missile cruiser .
    The Admiral Nakhimov is expected to rejoin the Russian navy in 2018 with the most advanced weapons systems for its vessel type, the Sevmash shipyard said in June last year.

    Now what?
    Just a few weeks ago it was reported Nakhimov would come back in late 2014, early 2015, just lots of old cables and wiring to substitute. This sounds like a whole rearmement and rebuilding.


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  TR1 on Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:49 pm

    It won't be back in 2018, that much I can guerentee you.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:35 am

    That is good.

    No point in a short term half assed upgrade... they might as well put in as much new stuff as they possibly can.

    The experience will be useful later on with new build ships.

    That means UKSK launchers, Pantsir-S systems, Redut, and even 152mm koalition guns.

    It will allow them a real platform to work out integration issues and performance issues of the systems... they are going to have to deal with them at some stage anyway, and it offers a chance to work with new compact NPP systems too that can be tested and improved over time so that when they are looking at carriers they have more realistic expectations.


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  runaway on Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:29 pm

    GarryB wrote:That is good.

    No point in a short term half assed upgrade... they might as well put in as much new stuff as they possibly can.

    Normaly i would also think so, but with the Vladivostok mistral operational in pacific fleet by 2015, with no modern capital, or no modern escort ships at all really, iam worried. The varyag, udaloys and other ships are 25-35 years old, should a hotspot flare up you cant send the Vladivostock alone.

    New Nakhimov in 2018 will for sure be a badass ship, but with all delays its perhaps better to talk about 2020. The whole pacific surface fleet will be of no big value, as its pretty much already is obselete.


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  GarryB on Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:45 am

    The whole pacific surface fleet will be of no big value, as its pretty much already is obselete.

    Hmmm.. every vessel from corvette to cruiser carrying an AEGIS like system and a wide range of standardised weapons and sensors and propulsion. The Russian Navy is going to get more standardised and by 2020 will have hypersonic anti ship missiles... obsolete in what way?


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  TR1 on Tue Jan 07, 2014 5:13 am

    http://www.star.ru/data/images/2014_01/dizelpower.JPG

    Cool photo- Vladikavkaz submarine under repair @ Zvezdochka, with Yekaterinburg in the background being worked on.

    http://www.star.ru/data/images/2014_01/ekaterinburg.JPG
    http://www.star.ru/data/images/2014_01/cex_10.JPG

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  George1 on Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:55 am

    GarryB wrote:
    The whole pacific surface fleet will be of no big value, as its pretty much already is obselete.

    Hmmm.. every vessel from corvette to cruiser carrying an AEGIS like system and a wide range of standardised weapons and sensors and propulsion.  The Russian Navy is going to get more standardised and by 2020 will have hypersonic anti ship missiles... obsolete in what way?

    udaloys have no important firepower, they are just large ASW ships, Sovremennys are getting retired, so...

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