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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  TR1 on Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:15 pm

    60-70 subs??!?!

    Lmao. Do you know how much that costs? America has barely that many boats and they have a giant defense budget.

    I don't even know where you pulled 60-70 subs in 5 years. That's factually impossible.

    BTW, I have a spreadsheet of the operational classes of major submarine and surface combatants in the Runavy, and their last known operational status. I need to update the subs part, I will post it then.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Viktor on Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:33 pm

    Marshal Ustinov in Zvezdochka


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Viktor on Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:51 pm

    Nice  thumbsup 

    One of the oldest Russian Black Sea Fleet ships returned to service after repairs

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  runaway on Tue Feb 18, 2014 9:00 am

    Actually Ustinov has served in the Northern fleet, and will probably be transferred to Pacific fleet when works are done.
    Good news, although as of now the main missile Bazalt remains.


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  TR1 on Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:03 am

    Strike another uncertainty from my list.

    http://www.atomic-energy.ru/news/2013/12/17/45686

    Barnaul will be utilized.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Viktor on Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:28 pm

    4th project 636.3 for Black Sea Fleet lay down  thumbsup 

    In St. Petersburg, the fourth non-nuclear submarine lay Project 636 "Krasnodar" for the Russian Navy

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  eridan on Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:29 pm

    what do you mean by utilized? you mean scrapped for metal? that's what i managed to gather from the text...

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  TR1 on Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:55 pm

    eridan wrote:what do you mean by utilized? you mean scrapped for metal? that's what i managed to gather from the text...

    Yep, going to be cut up.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Austin on Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:43 pm

    Three good interviews

    Shipbuilding: with an eye to the future

    The fairway defense procurement


    New ships - new challenges

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Viktor on Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:01 pm

    3*4=12 SSK until 2018 and what after - more than 3 per year?

    - 6 SSK of Kilo class for BSF
    - 3 SSK of Lada class

    3 more missing ??

    "Admiralty Shipyards" will build on the three non-nuclear submarines per year until 2018

    anyway good to see increased production  thumbsup


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Austin on Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:30 pm

    I posted a news a day or two back that they will build 6 Lada by 2024 in Russian Far East Shipyard.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Viktor on Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:22 pm

    Austin wrote:I posted a news a day or two back that they will build 6 Lada by 2024 in Russian Far East Shipyard.

    I know but thats until 2024 and this is until 2018.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Austin on Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:33 pm

    I suspect most of the new stuff will be mass produces enmass during 2015-2025 time frame .....many of the developments specially on Surface Ships are too ambitious for 2020 time frame , production bottleneck and new technology are the key bottle neck.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Austin on Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:39 pm

    Russia mulls non-nuclear high-precision deterrent force by 2020

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  TR1 on Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:22 am


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  NickM on Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:08 pm


    None of the Russian destroyers that are in operation or will be built can match the Zumwalt class destroyer . There is simply no comparison .

    Each VLS cell can be quad packed with RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow Missiles (ESSM). This gives a maximum theoretical ESSM load out of 320 missiles. The ESSM is considered a point defense weapon not generally used for fleet area defense. Though the ESSM has a range (27 NM) exceeding that of the earlier Naval Tartar anti-aircraft missile (17.5 NM RIM-24C).

    Russia or China does not have the equivalent of The Total Ship Computing Environment Infrastructure of the Zumwalt class destroyer.

    The tumblehome hull reduces radar return and the composite material deckhouse also has a low radar returnnot to mention the 2 155mm Naval Guns .

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:14 pm

    Non of the destroyer projects Russia or China has or shall produce will take even remotely as much time to be produced as Zumwalt did, will not, by any extend of imagination, reduced in numbers from 30 planed to mere 3 and will not cost even a notch of what a Zumwalt class costs to be build and maintained.
    Even if, and I very much doubt, Zumwalt deserve the efforts, no war ever was won on the battlefield. All wars in history was won in the bank deposits.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  GarryB on Wed Feb 26, 2014 6:47 am

    Project 22160, new type of Patrol Corvette to be laid down tomorrow (Feb 26).

    Displacement: 1300 T
    Max speed: 30 knots
    Electronics: Radars & Sonars
    Armament: Artillery and missiles
    Mission : Patrol, surveillance, protection

    Sounds like a replacement for the Albatros (Grisha) type boats.

    I have an old book (2004) that describes a boat project in the1,350 ton class.

    Displacement is given as 1,000 tons standard and 1,350 tons full load.

    Speed is 30knts.

    Armament is on UKSK launcher allowing up to 8 Club-N anti ship missiles, or anti sub missiles or mix of the two, but the gun mount is described as the A190 100mm automatic gun and also two Kahstan-M mounts and two 14.5mm HMG mounts. 8 Paket-M anti torpedo missiles are carried with various radar and sonar systems and one Ka-27 helicopter in a retractable hangar.


    Russia or China does not have the equivalent of The Total Ship Computing Environment Infrastructure of the Zumwalt class destroyer.

    That would be the Sigma battle management and communications system that is to be fitted to all new and upgraded Russian naval vessels.

    Each VLS cell can be quad packed with RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow Missiles (ESSM). This gives a maximum theoretical ESSM load out of 320 missiles.

    So it will be reasonably well protected from air attack.

    the exKirov class will have its 20 anti ship missile tubes replaced with 80 anti ship missile tubes. It had 96 SAM launch tubes for the Rif-M SAM but the new Vityaz can be loaded 4 to a tube with a flight range of up to 150km...

    This means that by 2020 they could have an upgraded Kirov class vessel with 80 hypersonic anti ship missiles and 384 Vityaz 150km range SAMs and that is ignoring the Pantsirs... of which there would likely be 8, which means 16 x 30mm gatling guns and 8 x 32 missiles or 256 Pantsir-S1 missiles.

    That is 80 land attack or anti ship or anti sub missiles plus 640 SAMs... not really that shabby.  Razz 



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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  collegeboy16 on Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:13 am

    GarryB wrote:

    This means that by 2020 they could have an upgraded Kirov class vessel with 80 hypersonic anti ship missiles and 384 Vityaz 150km range SAMs and that is ignoring the Pantsirs... of which there would likely be 8, which means 16 x 30mm gatling guns and 8 x 32 missiles or 256 Pantsir-S1 missiles.

    That is 80 land attack or anti ship or anti sub missiles plus 640 SAMs... not really that shabby.   Razz 

    B-but its asian, they need that much more missile as opposed to the more efficient, and refined western missiles.  Twisted Evil 

    Kidding aside tho I think that much vityaz missile is overkill.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:19 am

    collegeboy16 wrote:
    GarryB wrote:

    This means that by 2020 they could have an upgraded Kirov class vessel with 80 hypersonic anti ship missiles and 384 Vityaz 150km range SAMs and that is ignoring the Pantsirs... of which there would likely be 8, which means 16 x 30mm gatling guns and 8 x 32 missiles or 256 Pantsir-S1 missiles.

    That is 80 land attack or anti ship or anti sub missiles plus 640 SAMs... not really that shabby.   Razz 

    B-but its asian, they need that much more missile as opposed to the more efficient, and refined western missiles.  Twisted Evil 

    Kidding aside tho I think that much vityaz missile is overkill.

    The cannons they employ (57mm - 152mm) probably will have guided shells with multi-purpose proximity fuses that also aid in air defense as well as against pirates ships.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  collegeboy16 on Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:32 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    The cannons they employ (57mm - 152mm) probably will have guided shells with multi-purpose proximity fuses that also aid in air defense as well as against pirates ships.
    no sh!t, a 152mm airburst proximity round would be like a shorter tho more powerful (projectile wise) pantsir missile. Perfect for slow moving cruise missiles. Against pirates i imagine a round going off on top of a pirate ship would greatly improve the ventilation  Twisted Evil .

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:02 am

    collegeboy16 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    The cannons they employ (57mm - 152mm) probably will have guided shells with multi-purpose proximity fuses that also aid in air defense as well as against pirates ships.
    no sh!t, a 152mm airburst proximity round would be like a shorter tho more powerful (projectile wise) pantsir missile. Perfect for slow moving cruise missiles.  Against pirates i imagine a round going off on top of a pirate ship would greatly improve the ventilation  Twisted Evil .

    ...Actually according to mindstorm, the newly developed 152mm cannons can achieve an accurate shell firing distance of 41 km without rocket assistance, so it can be on par with new modernized pantsir missiles:

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t2148-msta-s-vs-pzh2000vs-archer

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  collegeboy16 on Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:22 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    ...Actually according to mindstorm, the newly developed 152mm cannons can achieve an accurate shell firing distance of 41 km without rocket assistance, so it can be on par with new modernized pantsir missiles:

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t2148-msta-s-vs-pzh2000vs-archer
    Not that shorter- its more like the length of the warhead shorter. pantsir has expanding rod warhead that more like a handful of circular expanding guilottine afaik. a 152 mm shell would rain shrapnel that would crush the structure, not merely slice it, tho the slice is not really a razor slice more like chainsaw kind of slice.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:58 am

    NickM wrote:
    None of the Russian destroyers that are in operation or will be built can match the Zumwalt class destroyer . There is simply no comparison .

    Each VLS cell can be quad packed with RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow Missiles (ESSM). This gives a maximum theoretical ESSM load out of 320 missiles. The ESSM is considered a point defense weapon not generally used for fleet area defense. Though the ESSM has a range (27 NM) exceeding that of the earlier Naval Tartar anti-aircraft missile (17.5 NM RIM-24C).

    Russia or China does not have the equivalent of The Total Ship Computing Environment Infrastructure of the Zumwalt class destroyer.

    The tumblehome hull reduces radar return and the composite material deckhouse also has a low radar returnnot to mention the 2 155mm Naval Guns .
    Yeah here we see the latest  incoherent bullshitting without evidence post by the racist idiot   c**t Nick.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  xeno on Wed Feb 26, 2014 6:33 pm

    This is really an awesome little boat.

    I thought it would be a ship like one on the right, however it turns out to be a ship closer to the one on the left,

    judging by the plate, which is the most accurate information source.

    Then Russia will have a very beautiful, mordern, stealthy, powerful and flexible ship.
    This time Russia you didn't let me down(actually a surprise), but you should accelerate the buliding pace, 6 ships before 2019 are far from enough, you need 16 at least...

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