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    Russian Navy: Status & News #2

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  TR1 on Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:16 pm

    Yes, well they can, but will they?

    2 955 this year is normal, they were pushed back from 2013.
    1 885, also fine.
    1 research sub, probably Belgorod?

    But...1 year later, 5 more subs? Really? Do they even have space for that many submarines?

    Ofc funding throughout construction is even more important, and the bigger question.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Viktor on Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:07 pm

    @TR1 - look at the rapid increase in fighters/planes/helicopters/air defense etc deliveries .... from 2016/7/8 same is expected from new generation of Russian MBT/IFV/APC etc

    Im not saying it will for sure but based on what we have seen so far there are reasons for optimism - anyway 2015 is not far away so we will see.

    I think Putin really intends to build 8 Yassen and 8 Borei by 2020.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  TheArmenian on Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:20 am

    Excellent table summarizing all the units under construction:

    http://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/52025.html

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Austin on Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:39 pm

    Fifth-generation submarine will be provided the ability to integrate into a single information space of the Defense Ministry in real time


    NEW DELHI, Feb. 8. (ARMS-TASS). Nuclear submarine (NPS) of the fifth generation will be provided the ability to integrate into a single information space of the Defense Ministry in real time. This was stated by ITAR-TASS during the exhibition "DefEkspo 2014" General Director of JSC "St. Petersburg Naval Machinery Bureau" Malachite "(SPMBM" Malachite ") Vladimir Dorofeev.


    Responding to a question on what parameters will be different submarines 5th generation, he said: "The characteristics of the submarine perspective must be sought not in the high speed, depth, displacement, dimensions, and most other things that are imperceptible - the possibility of their integration into a single information space of the Defense Ministry, the interaction with surface ships and aircraft in real time, that is, the possibility of their participation in the network-centric warfare. "


    "There are serious scientific research on problems that are not solved: underwater communication, performance, and information channels - said their opinion Dorofeev. - Prospective boats will be as black and sleek, but their" brains "are their main asset."


    "The cost of the displacement of the ship is determined not by air, which he carries, and electronic equipment that is inside - said the expert. He cited the example of the car, the main value of which is" not the body and tires, and security systems, advanced multimedia systems, intelligent control engine. "


    "The submarine - is no exception," - he stressed.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Viktor on Sat Feb 08, 2014 1:38 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:Excellent table summarizing all the units under construction:

    http://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/52025.html

    Armenian, can you summerize the table content for us who cant read Russian?

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Deep Throat on Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:31 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Frigates will be left at home to patrol local waters as will all patrol boats.

    Garry , but then Russian frigates will become vulnerable to torpedos fired by a swarm of speed boats (I cannot recall the exact term) . The speed boats will come close to the ship and each speed boat will fire a torpedo from close range .

    Once these torpedos are released it's impossible to save a ship .

    Kashtan or AK 630 on board a Ship may engage the speed boats before they release the torpedo but will not be able to neutralize all the speed boats . Ergo , the ship will be hit with a few of these torpedos.


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  flamming_python on Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:48 am

    Deep Throat wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    Frigates will be left at home to patrol local waters as will all patrol boats.

    Garry ,  but then Russian frigates will become vulnerable to torpedos fired by  a swarm of speed boats (I cannot recall the exact term) . The  speed boats  will come  close to the ship and  each speed boat will fire a torpedo from close range .

    Once these torpedos are released it's impossible to save a ship .

    Kashtan or AK 630 on board a Ship may engage the speed boats before they release the torpedo but will not be able to neutralize all the speed boats . Ergo , the ship will be hit with a few of these torpedos.


    What frigates?
    Because the Gorshkov is equipped with the Paket-E anti-torpedo system, while the Grigorovich and Gepard classes have the RBU-6000 which has some effectiveness against torpedoes.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  TR1 on Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:21 am



    Ustinov, current photo. Work continues @ Zvezdochka.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  GarryB on Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:39 am

    Garry , but then Russian frigates will become vulnerable to torpedos fired by a swarm of speed boats (I cannot recall the exact term) . The speed boats will come close to the ship and each speed boat will fire a torpedo from close range .

    Once these torpedos are released it's impossible to save a ship .

    Kashtan or AK 630 on board a Ship may engage the speed boats before they release the torpedo but will not be able to neutralize all the speed boats . Ergo , the ship will be hit with a few of these torpedos.

    These swarm torpedo boats... what exactly protects them from mach 3 anti ship missiles the Russian Frigates are carrying?

    How do these torpedo boats get close to a corvette with a 100mm automatic cannon, or a frigate with a 130mm automatic cannon?

    Not to mention decoys, jammers, and hard kill anti torpedo systems... as FP alludes to.

    If some country wants to amass 20 or 30 small boats they could certainly overwhelm any Frigate, but compared to the Frigates of other countries these Russian Frigates are VERY well armed and equipped... don't forget land based air power and even the ships own helo can also be used to defend the vessels in question from naval attack too.


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  TheArmenian on Mon Feb 10, 2014 2:11 pm

    Viktor wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:Excellent table summarizing all the units under construction:

    http://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/52025.html

    Armenian, can you summerize the table content for us who cant read Russian?


    Nothing new in the table.
    It just lists all the ships (above 2000 T) and submarines under various stages of construction.

    It is just a nice summary.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  TR1 on Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:26 am

    http://www.wrk.ru/forums/attachment.php?item=374274&download=2&type=.jpg

    Nice photo, Varyag in a Dalezavod dock sometime in 2013 (?).

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Austin on Wed Feb 12, 2014 5:44 am

    Can some one tell me the X Band and X & L band AESA radar are targetted at which class of Ships ?

    http://www.media-phazotron.ru/?p=171

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  xeno on Wed Feb 12, 2014 7:57 pm

    1.20385.
    2. a series of radars system developed for different classes of warships later.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Austin on Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:03 am

    Naval shipbuilding center can create on the basis of the Amur plant

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20140212/994463346.html


    "Understanding the importance of the issue related to the provision of the Navy of the country modern weapons, we see it necessary to create at least two centers of shipbuilding in Russia. One of them - in the Far East on the basis of the Amur shipyard," - said the Minister of Defense Bassargin during a visit to the NEA.


    "In case you have decided on the recognition of the main supplier of the NEA Pacific Fleet combat surface ships and submarines for solving the state's defense capability in the long term, the plant is ready to carry out the construction of corvettes, frigates, minesweepers and submarines" - promised CEO.


    According to him, with the command of the Navy previously agreed production program until 2024 - it includes the construction of four Project 20380 corvettes, three frigates of Project 22350, Project 12700 minesweepers seven, six diesel submarines of Project 677, Repair and modernization of the nuclear submarine project 971 type " Bars ".



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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Austin on Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:07 am

    So Amur Ship Yard in Far East will build the following by 2024

    4 x 20380 
    3 x 22350
    7 x Project 12700 minesweepers
    6 x 677 Lada Submarine  thumbsup 

    Modernising 971 Akula



    What is this Pr 12700 Minesweeper

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  TR1 on Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:09 am

    We will see what and if it builds anything by then.

    Shoigu just criticized them a few days ago for being given money and doing barely anything with it.

    Does Severnaya know about this 22350 order? Because they were granted a monopoly on it.

    This is just them lobbying for orders IMO.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Austin on Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:24 am

    Shoigu said yesterday they need two Ship Yard .one in Far East to support Pacific Fleet reffering to Amur .....ofcourse he also criticised those lazy bumbs at Amur

    I wonder what he would say if he sees the Indian SY of  MDL in Mumbai and  GRSE in Calcutta

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  TR1 on Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:42 am

    It's the MODs fault too, not just Amur.

    They did not support the shipyards for years (or would order then not pay on time or at all, hell of a way to build a project! Even shipyards comparatively lavishly funded like Zvezdochka had to use their own funds to start work while assuming MOD would pay, like they did as recently as on the burned Yekaterinburg!) and now they think throwing money will make things happen. As if the yard has been in stasis for the past 20 years and can just hop back to work.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Austin on Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:27 pm

    Nice Interview , Some useful information too

    Russian Navy sees aircraft carrier development on the horizon

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  Austin on Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:32 pm

    Severodvinsk shipbuilders must pass the first Russian Navy multipurpose nuclear submarine of project 971 "Leopard" after extensive modernization in 2015



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    RKhANGEL'SK February 13. (ARMS-TASS). Shipbuilders Shipyard "Ship Repair Centre" Star "(Severodvinsk) in 2015 must pass the Russian Navy after extensive modernization first multipurpose nuclear submarine (APL) Project 971 third generation" Leopard. "On this day corr. ITAR-TASS reported in the press service of the plant.


    Modernization will scale - up to 971M new project. It will affect all electronic weapons systems, as well as missile and torpedo complex. "Unfortunately work behind schedule, but so far it is not critical," - noted in the company.


    "The main reason for the lag - systematic delay of design documentation from the designer SPMBM " Malachite ", - the press-service. - Ship for us a new and complex, it is impossible to foresee all, so many issues delayed by an average month." On the "Zvezdochka" restore only a small part of the equipment. Repair and manufacture of most of the ship's systems will be engaged in more than 30 contractors. "Following the first-born -" Leopard "in the queue waiting for the modernization of three more ships of this project: one from the Northern and Pacific fleets with two," - said the press service of "star."

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Feb 15, 2014 3:18 am

    A nice little infographic that I found on military photos .net. It's displaying Russia submarine fleet:


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  TR1 on Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:20 am

    Well while the chart is nice it is also blatantly wrong.

    Their claim to only displaying active subs is laughable.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:53 am

    TR1 wrote:Well while the chart is nice it is also blatantly wrong.

    Their claim to only displaying active subs is laughable.

    ...Is there more or less variety of subs in active service in the Russian navy?

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  TR1 on Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:32 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    TR1 wrote:Well while the chart is nice it is also blatantly wrong.

    Their claim to only displaying active subs is laughable.

    ...Is there more or less variety of subs in active service in the Russian navy?

    What I mean is:

    The Akulas: Dmitry Donskoy is a test vessel (not even an active SSBN in the classic sense) while the other two (Arkhangesk and Severstall) are tied up at pier next to each other, near Sevmash. Neither have an armament, and neither are operational.

    Further, the entire Kilo fleet is most certainly not active. However some of the boats are being repaired and brought back, and certainly the task is extremely easy (compared to bringing back the giant Akulas), so that number we can keep without straying too far from reality.

    14 project 971s is also nonsense. The Russian navy only has TWELVE boats physically not cut up, and out of those, some are/have been awaiting repairs for years and are not operational whatsoever (and their future unclear). I am not talking about a boat like Leopard, which while certainly not active, is being modernized @ Zvedochka, and will be brought back in 2015....not active, but certainly a part of the fleet that isn't going anywhere. Kashalot on the other hand has been @ Amur, awaiting its fate for years.

    You see my point I trust.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #2

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:09 pm

    So basically Russia has 0-7 subs operational of each which makes about 20 subs in total. How can one expect them to effectively defend Russia's waters with such a miserable count for such a big country? If we don't see at least 60-70 subs of all types operational by the next 5 or so years then the Russian navy will be in very deep sh*t

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