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    Post  George1 on Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:31 am

    Russia, China Plan No Separate Economic Zone in Far East - Kremlin

    GUIYANG, July 10 (RIA Novosti) — Moscow and Beijing do not plan to establish a Special Economic Zone (SEZ) that would include Russia’s Far East and the bordering Chinese regions, Kremlin Chief of Staff Sergei Ivanov said Thursday.

    "Neither we, nor the Chinese have plans to create some sort of a geographically outlined zone or region [with China]," Ivanov told journalists.

    At the same time, the chief of staff pointed to the "real, positive fact of a sharp increase of trade turnover between [Russia’s] eastern regions and the corresponding regions of China."

    Russian-Chinese joint projects in energy, transportation, infrastructure and engineering should allow annual trade volumes between the nations to increase from the current $100 billion to $200 billion by 2020, Ivanov said Wednesday.

    A large share of the turnover is to come from the $400-billion deal between Gazprom and China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC). Under the contract, Russia is to provide China with 38 billion cubic meters of gas per year.
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    Post  George1 on Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:36 pm

    Russia Deliveres Last Batch of Mi-171E Helicopters to China

    MOSCOW, July 15 (RIA Novosti) - The Russian Helicopters holding delivered the last batch of Mi-171E transport helicopters built at the Ulan-Ude Aviation Plant to Chinese company Poly Technologies, a company spokesperson stated Tuesday.

    It's the last batch under a contract for 48 helicopters signed in 2012 by the Chinese company and Russia's arms exporter Rosoboronexport. In total, with additional contracts, 52 helicopters were delivered, the statement said.

    Mi-171E helicopters are successfully operated in China, in particular in regions with challenging terrain and severe climate conditions. Helicopters are used for transporting medical supplies, humanitarian aid, and construction materials.

    New helicopters are adapted for flights over mountainous terrain, fitted with enhanced VK-2500 engines, Safir auxiliary power plants, and modernized transmissions.

    China is one of the largest consumers of Russian-made helicopters. China currently operates more than 160 Mi-171 helicopters.
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    Post  George1 on Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:45 pm

    Russo-Chinese University to Enroll First Students in 2015 - Moscow State University Head

    A Russo-Chinese university, to be formed on the basis of the Lomonosov Moscow State University (MSU) in Shenzhen, will accept its first 5,000 students in 2015, Viktor Sadovnichy, the head of MSU told journalists Wednesday.

    "We did not want to wait long and wanted to gather a group, calling it a pre-entry group, in order to find the people that would be ready to study Russian at the pre-university department. I think next year will be dedicated to preparatory courses," Sadovnichy said.

    "And the full enrollment – up to 5,000 students – we wanted to realize in 2015," Sadovnichy said.

    The initiative to create a joint Russo-Chinese University has been developing since the second half of 2013. Then, during Russian President Vladimir Putin's visit to China in May, the education ministries of the two countries signed a memorandum of understanding on creating a joint university. Russia has proposed signing an intergovernmental agreement on the university's activity in October.

    China has taken on the responsibility of building a 200,000-square-meter student campus in Shenzhen in 10 months. In Russia, the construction would typically take 30 months, Sadovnichy said.

    The university is to provide courses in Russian, Chinese and English, and graduates are to receive dual diplomas – one from MSU and one from the joint Russo-Chinese university.

    Russian Duma Speaker Sergei Naryshkin praised the project as yet another positive outcome of the strong ties between Moscow and Beijing.

    "This project comes at a time when, by the evaluation of the leaders of both states, we see that relations between China and Russia – political, economic relations – are the best in our common history, in the course of collaboration," Naryshkin said.

    The two nations signed 48 agreements and contracts during Putin's latest visit to China in May. On Tuesday, during a meeting with Chinese leader Xi Jinping at the BRICS summit in Brazil, Putin said he had no doubts about the success of Russian-Chinese cooperation.
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    Post  Viktor on Sun Jul 27, 2014 3:10 am

    China, Russia and Belarus airforce games Aviadarts-2014 - Russian counterpart to Redflag  Very Happy 

    speaking about the new lvl of friendship

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc3GeUTA2hw
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    Post  TR1 on Sun Jul 27, 2014 3:54 pm

    Not friendship- two governing bodies who find it mutually beneficial to cooperate, and one leach Wink .
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:14 am

    Compared with NATO with one fully participating controlling country (US) and the rest basically Leaches plus the odd ringworm and other forms of parasites...
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    Post  George1 on Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:36 pm

    Russian, Chinese Companies Sign Memorandum to Build Floating Nuclear Plants

    MOSCOW, July 29 (RIA Novosti) - Rusatom Overseas, a subsidiary of Russia’s state nuclear corporation Rosatom, said in a statement Tuesday it had signed a memorandum on a project to build floating nuclear power plants with China’s CNNC New Energy.

    “Floating power plants have a significant appliance potential. A floating NPP comes in two forms, a floating and a fixed one. A plant like this can be either plugged into the shore-based electrical grid or moored close to a power consumer,” Rusatom CEO Dzhomart Aliev said in the statement.

    The memorandum was signed by Dzhomart Aliev and CNNC New Energy President Tianlin Qian. The companies are now going to set up a Russian-Chinese working group will to continue their work on the project, according to the official announcement.

    The chief of Rusatom Overseas stressed that floating power plants offered an efficient solution to many energy problems in hard-to-reach places, including beyond the Arctic Circle, as well as to all sorts of offshore facilities, such as offshore oil rigs.

    This comes after Russian and Chinese officials signed a major memorandum of understanding in March 2014 that laid groundwork for future energy cooperation between the two neighbor nations.

    Rosatom’s CEO Sergei Kiriyenko told journalists earlier this year his company viewed the Asia-Pacific market as a priority for the Russian nuclear industry. Russia has started collaborating with the world’s IT giant IBM to improve software and technology at new nuclear plants, and continued looking towards Asia for more joint projects.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:10 am

    Should be pointed out these floating power stations generate heat, electrical power, and can generate large amounts of fresh water.

    For a country like Russia where coastal areas in Siberia could benefit from all three, to places like China where a coastal area might rent a floating power station for periods during the day of peak electricity usage to add capacity. Equally for a country like Australia remote coastal regions could be supplied with electricity and water from sea water, while small pacific islands could also benefit from reliable electricity and fresh water supplies. In the Middle East fresh clean water would be useful, as would boosting electricity supplies for peak periods.
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    Post  George1 on Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:34 pm

    China advocates further development of strategic cooperation with Russia

    BEIJING, July 31. /ITAR-TASS/. China stands for further development of comprehensive strategic cooperation and partnership with Russia, Foreign Minister Wang Yi said on Thursday.

    He made the statement during a meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on the sidelines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) summit in Dushanbe, Tajikistan. The two top diplomats unanimously agreed to “maintain close strategic contacts and coordinate activities” of the two countries.

    As active members of the UN Security Council, China and Russia should maintain close contact on such international and regional issues as Afghanistan, the Korean nuclear problem, the Iranian nuclear program, and Ukraine in order to facilitate their resolution, the Chinese Foreign Ministry said.

    Wang and Lavrov also noted the need to step up cooperation within the SCO and take further steps to advance the common interests of its member states.

    The ministers said bilateral meetings and high-level visits in the second half of the year would help to promote political, trade, economic, energy and humanitarian cooperation between China and Russia.
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    Post  coolieno99 on Sun Aug 10, 2014 2:58 am

    Due to U.S. trade sanctions imposed on Russia, Russia plan to purchase  electronic components from China.

    "Russian rocket and space and defense enterprises plan to buy batches of electronic components from China worth some $1 billion in the next calendar year, the newspaper Izvestia reported on Wednesday. "We are working with the China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation [CASIC]. The institutions comprising it have already provided us with several dozens of items that are either a direct alternative, or have slight alterations, of those elements that we cannot buy due to the sanctions imposed by the U.S.," a source close to Roscosmos told Izvestia. The technical documentation is now being translated and the products are being tested to determine if they meet the stated characteristics in terms of susceptibility to temperatures, vibration and impact of heavy charged particles, the source said.  Russia plans to buy several billion dollars worth of such products from China in the next 2-2.5 years, until the Russia industry begins manufacturing electronic components of the necessary nominals in the space (radiation-resistant components) and military (for use in military systems) categories."


    Source: Russia Beyond the Headlines - http://rbth.com/news/2014/08/06/chinese_microelectronics_will_replace_us_microelectronics_in_russian_spa_38790.html)
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    Post  higurashihougi on Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:36 am

    Increase of hostility between the West and Russia is pushing Russia closer to China... and that is bad news for China's neighbors, especially Vietnam.

    Although I believe that Russia will never trust China. Russia learned a lot about China through the 1969 conflict and the Su-27 copyright affairs.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Aug 16, 2014 12:54 pm

    I don't think improved relations between China and Russia should result in worsening relations between Russia and Vietnam... nor do I think things should be worse between India and Russia.

    In fact I would love to see relations between all the countries in the region improved... including Pakistan and Iran and Indonesia etc etc.

    Create economic ties first and also political ties and settle differences with words rather than military force.
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    Post  higurashihougi on Sun Aug 17, 2014 4:29 am

    GarryB wrote:I don't think improved relations between China and Russia should result in worsening relations between Russia and Vietnam... nor do I think things should be worse between India and Russia.

    In fact I would love to see relations between all the countries in the region improved... including Pakistan and Iran and Indonesia etc etc.

    Create economic ties first and also political ties and settle differences with words rather than military force.

    Relationship between Russia and Vietnam will not be worsened. But considering what China have been doing recently in South East Asia, it is natural that China's neighbors want this country to be isolated as much as possible. Especially Vietnam, the one who is most threatened and also who was suffered the most from China's invasions in the past.

    Nonetheless what I believe is the Russia-China relationship is situational cooperation at most. Russia and China need each others to compete against the West, but Russia never trusts China.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:12 am

    But considering what China have been doing recently in South East Asia, it is natural that China's neighbors want this country to be isolated as much as possible. Especially Vietnam, the one who is most threatened and also who was suffered the most from China's invasions in the past.

    Do you think isolating china and making her an enemy.... possibly pushing her back to better relations with the west will improve the situation regarding disputed territories or make them worse?

    I think a very good relationship between Vietnam and China is better for both countries... more trade and discussions should lead to prosperity for both sides and actually make the ownership of these disputed islands less important.
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    Post  higurashihougi on Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:05 am

    GarryB wrote:Do you think isolating china and making her an enemy.... possibly pushing her back to better relations with the west will improve the situation regarding disputed territories or make them worse?

    I think a very good relationship between Vietnam and China is better for both countries... more trade and discussions should lead to prosperity for both sides and actually make the ownership of these disputed islands less important.

    "Isolating China" is more like the emotional thinking of the local people rather than the goverment's policy. Since the 11th century the policy of Vietnamese goverment for China issue is basically "Finlandization". Untill now, even when the disputed islands become hot, information about China are still carefully monitored in order not to push things too far.

    The problem here is that local Vietnamese people are very doubtful about China's intention. They understand the benefit of good relationship with China, but they don't believe China for many reasons. Not only the disputed islands, but also about devastating China invasion in the past, agressive stance of contemporary China, and economic scandals related to China, for example the waves of low-quality China goods, the terrible working attitude of Chinese contractors, or the crimes of Chinese swindles against Vietnamese farmers.

    So for several reasons the warm relationship between China and anyother global powers somehow make many Vietnameses feel uneasy... especially when Russia is the main weapon supplier for Vietnam.

    China-Vietnam is a bit similar to Russia-Ukraina now. The difference is that Vietnameses understand that your opinion is right. They also hate the far-right racist factions like Svoboda or Pravyy Sektor.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:10 pm

    My appologies... I hope you don't think I was telling you what you should do or how to behave toward your neighbour.

    there have always been and always will be squabbles between neighbours... that will never change.

    there will also always be the dishonest and untrustworthy, but you can only be fooled by giving trust without testing or challenging honesty.

    The secret to dealing with low quality low cost Chinese goods... is to not buy them.

    Pay what you think something is worth rather than as little as you can.

    China-Vietnam is a bit similar to Russia-Ukraina now. The difference is that Vietnameses understand that your opinion is right. They also hate the far-right racist factions like Svoboda or Pravyy Sektor.

    Also the fact that the last time the Chinese invaded Vietnam they got their backsides handed to them... they were not skilful fighters at any level...
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    Post  George1 on Wed Aug 27, 2014 12:17 am

    Russia counts on China investment amid sanctions

    MOSCOW, August 25. /ITAR-TASS/. Relations with China get move ot the forefront against the backdrop of Western sanctions imposed on Russia over Ukraine, the president of the Russian Chamber of Commerce and Industry said on Monday.

    “A change in the vector of trade and economic cooperation between Russia and the West looks quite natural in the existing international situation,” Sergei Katyrin said.

    This is not a new process, but the crisis in Ukraine has given a boost to Russia’s relations with countries in the Asia Pacific and the BRICS group of nations, he said.

    More than 60 Russian entrepreneurs participated in the recent business forum of BRICS group of five major emerging national economies, Katyrin added. “The BRICS Development Bank and the pool of currency reserves may become a valuable alternative for Russia in conditions of possible new sanctions in the financial sector,” the chamber’s president said.

    “Trade and economic relations have become more intensive with Latin America, countries of North Africa, but China remains our main trade and economic partner,” he added. “The development and diversification of trade becomes a priority task for our foreign economic agencies and business,” Katyrin added.

    He said the chamber is “actively advancing investment projects and supporting Russian exporters to China,” noting an increase of Chinese direct investment in the Russian economy over the recent years.

    According to the Russian Ministry for Economic Development, last year it stood at $253 million. The total amount of cumulative direct investment has reached $1.7 billion, Katyrin said, adding that Russia’s direct investment in China was more modest, just $36 million last year.

    The most lucrative sectors for Chinese investment are spheres of energy saving, telecommunications, construction, resource development and agriculture.

    A sub-commission for trade and economic cooperation of the Russian-Chinese commission paving the way for regular prime ministerial meetings will meet in Moscow on September 2. The session will be chaired by the two co-chairmen - Russia’s Minister for Economic Development Alexei Ulyukayev and Chinese Commerce Minister Gao Hucheng.
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    Post  George1 on Mon Sep 01, 2014 3:03 pm

    Putin breaks ground on Russia-China gas pipeline, world's biggest
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    Post  higurashihougi on Sun Sep 07, 2014 12:44 pm

    I have to admit that this article is quite Euro-centric, although the newspapers in Vietnam usually express support for Russia's policy.

    Probably it is due to Hanoi's skepticism towards Beijing.

    http://soha.vn/quoc-te/xuat-khau-nang-luong-nga-danh-dua-chuoi-dao-vao-tay-tq-20140905233936699.htm (Vietnamese)

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    Energy export: Russia holds the blade, China hold the tilt

    Facing the West's sanction, Russia needs a new contractor in energy. However, in the contracts with China, Russia is in a weaker position. Russia holds the blade while China holds the tilt.

    China is a good contractor for a Russia who is dealing with the West's embargo. The between the two countries is closer and closer together with the increase intensity of Ukrainian conflicts.

    However, some analysits claimed that the relationship with China is risky for Moskva.

    On the one hand, Russia and China have similar and compatible aims. Beijing needs oil and gas to satisfy its dramatically increasing needs. Moskva has been find a way to establish a commercial trade in Asian-Pacific, a region with a more dynamic economy that EU. Moody claimed that Russia-China contracts increased the diversity of Gazprom's market in the Asian-Pacific, in the circumstance that Gazprom's business is affected by EU's pressure.

    On the other hand, Moody also warned that Russia's change of direction is also risky. After all, China is able to impose pressure on Russia about the price and investment, all can negatively affect Russia's profit in oil industry. The price of Russia-China natural gas contract is confidential, but according to the leaked information, it is lower than Gazprom expected. Gazprom also suffered from millions of USD investment in facilities.

    The oil business inflicted more disadvantage for Russia, due to a contract signed by Rosneft in 2013. Analysists from Eurasia Group commented that Russia's strength in the negiotation is declined due to the West's embargo. The company needed more fund. In that circumstance, China appeared as a good financial source for Russia in the case the Western market is reduced due to the embargo.

    Vedomosti commented: Beijing only considers Moskva as an additional supplier, while Moskva sees Beijing as a strategic cooperator. Therefore, in this relationship, Russia is in a weaker position. Vedomosti warned an overenthuastic concentration in China may harm Russia's policy and harm other Asian countries.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Sun Sep 07, 2014 2:27 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:I have to admit that this article is quite Euro-centric, although the newspapers in Vietnam usually express support for Russia's policy.

    Probably it is due to Hanoi's skepticism towards Beijing.

    http://soha.vn/quoc-te/xuat-khau-nang-luong-nga-danh-dua-chuoi-dao-vao-tay-tq-20140905233936699.htm (Vietnamese)

    English Translation wrote:
    Energy export: Russia holds the blade, China hold the tilt

    Facing the West's sanction, Russia needs a new contractor in energy. However, in the contracts with China, Russia is in a weaker position. Russia holds the blade while China holds the tilt.

    China is a good contractor for a Russia who is dealing with the West's embargo. The between the two countries is closer and closer together with the increase intensity of Ukrainian conflicts.

    However, some analysits claimed that the relationship with China is risky for Moskva.

    On the one hand, Russia and China have similar and compatible aims. Beijing needs oil and gas to satisfy its dramatically increasing needs. Moskva has been find a way to establish a commercial trade in Asian-Pacific, a region with a more dynamic economy that EU. Moody claimed that Russia-China contracts increased the diversity of Gazprom's market in the Asian-Pacific, in the circumstance that Gazprom's business is affected by EU's pressure.

    On the other hand, Moody also warned that Russia's change of direction is also risky. After all, China is able to impose pressure on Russia about the price and investment, all can negatively affect Russia's profit in oil industry. The price of Russia-China natural gas contract is confidential, but according to the leaked information, it is lower than Gazprom expected. Gazprom also suffered from millions of USD investment in facilities.

    The oil business inflicted more disadvantage for Russia, due to a contract signed by Rosneft in 2013. Analysists from Eurasia Group commented that Russia's strength in the negiotation is declined due to the West's embargo. The company needed more fund. In that circumstance, China appeared as a good financial source for Russia in the case the Western market is reduced due to the embargo.

    Vedomosti commented: Beijing only considers Moskva as an additional supplier, while Moskva sees Beijing as a strategic cooperator. Therefore, in this relationship, Russia is in a weaker position. Vedomosti warned an overenthuastic concentration in China may harm Russia's policy and harm other Asian countries.
    WTF??
    Are you sure this is a Vietnamese article, not a western article translated Vietnamese.
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    Post  higurashihougi on Sun Sep 07, 2014 2:40 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    WTF??
    Are you sure this is a Vietnamese article, not a western article translated Vietnamese.

    It is a Vietnamese article, although I have to admit that journalists in my country are not as good as in Russia or in the West.

    Second, Sinophobia is quite popular amongst Vietnamese population. But the same Vietnameses love Russia a lot.

    I consider it as a dilemna.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Sun Sep 07, 2014 10:01 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:
    It is a Vietnamese article, although I have to admit that journalists in my country are not as good as in Russia or in the West.
    Nah, the quality is good, it's the contents that need to be worked out.

    Second, Sinophobia is quite popular amongst Vietnamese population. But the same Vietnameses love Russia a lot.

    I consider it as a dilemna.
    Understandable, Russia backed Vietnam all the way back in the war and China not only decided pull out half way, but also went to war with them shortly after, and that's not even taking into account of there long running historical differences.
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    Post  George1 on Fri Sep 12, 2014 3:41 pm

    China, Russia reported to build huge seaport in North Asia

    China and Russia are to build one of the largest ports in northeast Asia on Russia's Sea of Japan coast, Chinese media reports. It is the latest step by Beijing and Moscow to bring their economies closer, and diversify from Western influence.

    The new seaport will be located in Russia’s Far East, just 18 kilometers away from the Chinese border and will be capable to handle up to 60 million tons of cargo a year, China's state-run People's Daily Online reported.

    The deal between the two countries was signed at May's Conference on Interaction and Confidence Building Measures in Asia (CICA) in Shanghai, the report said.

    Chinese booming domestic consumption makes the country search for ways to diversify its sources of energy. Russia, in turn, is seeking to refocus its trade towards Asia from western markets amid the tit-for-tat sanctions over the crisis in Ukraine.

    In August the two countries agreed to set up a special logistics center which will allow to sell fruit and vegetables directly to Russia, which is expected to offset any negative effect of the Russian food embargo.

    READ MORE: Russia bans agricultural products from EU, USA, Australia, Norway, Canada

    On September 1 Russian President Vladimir Putin Chinese Vice Premier Zhang Gaoli have launched the construction of the first part of Gazprom’s 'Power of Siberia' pipeline.

    The construction follows a historic gas deal signed in May which will provide the world's fastest growing economy with 4 trillion cubic meters of natural gas it needs to keep pace for the next 30 years.
    In the search for financial independence

    Since the US introduced its first sanctions in March, Russia has sped up efforts to get away from the Western financial system. In the latest move, Russia confirmed on Wednesday it is planning to join forces with China and create an alternative to the international banking transaction system SWIFT (Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunications).

    “Yes, we have discussed and we have approved this idea,” Russia’s First Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov told PRIME on Wednesday after negotiations in Beijing.

    On top of that, Russia and China are actively discussing the creation of an independent rating agency, Shuvalov said, adding that concrete proposals will be made by the end of the year.

    Meanwhile, China’s UnionPay payment system, a version of Visa and MasterCard, is ready to provide the infrastructure for Russia to establish its own payment system.
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    Post  George1 on Fri Nov 07, 2014 2:53 pm

    TASS: Russia-China economic cooperation to top agenda for Putin-Xi talks
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    Yuan settlements with Russia could boost Chinese currency's regional role - Kremlin

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