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    Ban The Burka

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Aug 19, 2009 3:19 am



    Danish Conservatives: Ban the Burka!


    Burka ban proposal splits government.

    Conservative Party wants to extend the ban on ‘Taleban symbol’ to all public places in Denmark. The governing party has rejected a proposal from its coalition partner, the Conservative Party, to ban people from covering their face with clothing such...

    The governing party has rejected a proposal from its coalition partner, the Conservative Party, to ban people from covering their face with clothing such as burkas and niqabs.

    ‘We do not want to see burkas in Denmark,’ said Naser Khader, the integration spokesman for the Conservatives.

    Khader, who immigrated to Denmark from Syria and who helped established the Modern Muslims group, said the burka symbolised the Taleban and oppression of women. It had nothing do to with Islam.

    ‘The modern burka was instituted by the Taleban when it came to power. I see it as a symbol of the Taleban,’ he said.

    Khader said the burka was ‘un-Danish’ and should be completely banned in this country.

    The ban was part of a raft of integration proposals approved by Conservative members of parliament following the party’s annual summer group meeting.

    Under the ban, women would not be prevented from wearing other forms of headscarves. It would apply to all public areas but not people’s homes. A penalty for violating the potential ban had not yet been considered.

    The Conservatives’ proposal received the support of the Danish People’s Party, a key government ally, and the opposition Social Democrats.

    But the party’s government ally, the prime minister’s Liberal Party, said legislating against certain types of clothing was a step too far.

    ‘Burkas should not be permitted for people who work in the public sector,’ Peter Christiansen, the party’s political spokesperson, said. ‘But that’s where we draw the line.’

    Islamic Faith Society spokesman Imran Shah said the ban was unnecessary as only three or four women in Denmark wore the burka, while 30-40 women wore the niqab.

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    Hahahah, good. I hate the burka and everyone who wheres it.

    Since this was the first time in almost one and a half centuries that a French president had been allowed to address parliament, President Nicolas Sarkozy's speech was already on course to ruffle a few feathers.

    The Greens and Communists refused to attend and the Socialists left early, claiming the venue for the address - the Chateau of Versailles, which was home to King Louis XIV - smacked of monarchy and a thirst for power.

    But it was the French leader's attack on the burka that really caused a stir.

    He expressed his strong distaste for the head-to-toe Islamic veil, calling it not a sign of religion but a sign of subservience.

    "It will not be welcome on French soil," he said." We cannot accept, in our country, women imprisoned behind a mesh, cut off from society, deprived of all identity. That is not the French republic's idea of women's dignity."

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    President Sarkozy's comments have not come out of the blue.

    They are in response to a call last week by a group of 65 cross-party MPs, led by the Communist Andre Gerin, who wants a parliamentary commission set up to investigate the spread of the burka in France.

    They want to see whether such a spread is indicative of a radicalisation of Islam, whether women are being forced to cover themselves or are doing so voluntarily, and whether wearing the burka undermines French secularism.

    Mr Gerin believes the burka "amounts to a breach of individual freedom on our national territory".

    Because, if the mention of monarchy triggers warning bells in France, the mention of religion triggers much louder ones.

    Ban in schools

    The concept of secularism or "laicite" is sacred in France.


    French President Nicolas Sarkozy
    We must not fight the wrong battle. In the republic, the Muslim faith must be respected as much as other religions
    Nicolas Sarkozy,
    French President

    The separation of church and state is jealously guarded by everyone from school teachers to government ministers - and the constitution states the republic "does not recognise, subsidise or remunerate any religious body".

    It underpinned the French Revolution, and has been a basic tenet of the country's progressive thought since the 18th century when French Enlightenment thinkers like Voltaire, Diderot and Montesquieu regarded religion as divisive, benighted and intolerant.

    It was this same concept that was invoked five years ago to ban conspicuous signs of religion - including Islamic headscarves - from schools.

    That decision sparked controversy and debate across Europe, with critics claiming it stigmatised Muslims at a time when France needed to be stepping up its fight against rife discrimination in the job market, which had caused so many youths of Muslim origin to feel forgotten by French society.

    This latest call for a potential ban of the burka has prompted the head of the French Council for the Muslim Religion to warn MPs they risk stigmatising Muslims again.

    But the special inquiry does have the backing of Dalil Boubakeur, rector of the Paris Mosque and a former head of the Muslim council, who insists that Islam in France should be an "open and convivial Islam that allows people to live side by side".

    He fears that anecdotal evidence that more women are wearing the burka in France is linked to an "excess, a radicalisation" among some Muslims.


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    With five million Muslims living here, France is home to Western Europe's largest Islamic community and the government will be anxious not to isolate the Muslim population by being seen to be trying to dictate to women what they should wear.

    The issue has even split the French cabinet.

    Rama Yade, the Muslim human rights minister, said she would be open to a ban if it was aimed at protecting women who wore a burka against their will. The immigration minister, Eric Besson, believes a ban will only create tensions.

    President Sarkozy may have given his backing to an open debate on the burka, but he also insisted France needed to make sure it knew exactly what it was debating.

    "We must not fight the wrong battle," he said. "In the republic, the Muslim faith must be respected as much as other religions."

    The video of the guy speaking is dead on. I agree with him 100% and Burka's should be banned.

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    Re: Ban The Burka

    Post  Jelena on Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:53 am

    Maybe this video is something that people should see... Many disputed it, calling it rubbish but I see logic behind it and of course some mathematical calculations are absolutely correct!

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    Post  sepheronx on Wed Aug 19, 2009 4:55 pm

    Jelena wrote:Maybe this video is something that people should see... Many disputed it, calling it rubbish but I see logic behind it and of course some mathematical calculations are absolutely correct!

    Like what, 30% of Muslims have big families? Europe isn't in that much trouble. It is just poor countries that tend to have a higher birth rate, only because if 1 child does not survive, there are others. As sad as that sounds, it is true.

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:54 pm

    Jelena wrote:Maybe this video is something that people should see... Many disputed it, calling it rubbish but I see logic behind it and of course some mathematical calculations are absolutely correct!

    Yeah sure, Russian Orthodox have converted 4 million Muslims in the last ten years dropping their percentage to 20%.

    Muslims are shaking in their boots over Afrika.



    70-130 million Christians in China



    The thing to notice is, Muslim population growth rates are dwindling as the world devolops and they will soon meet Western rates. In the next twenty to thirty years they will be even while Christians are converting the world over. Islam is actually the religion facing extinction here since they aren't really making new ground on conversions.

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    Post  Jelena on Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:48 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:

    Yeah sure, Russian Orthodox have converted 4 million Muslims in the last ten years dropping their percentage to 20%.

    Muslims are shaking in their boots over Afrika.
    The thing to notice is, Muslim population growth rates are dwindling as the world devolops and they will soon meet Western rates. In the next twenty to thirty years they will be even while Christians are converting the world over. Islam is actually the religion facing extinction here since they aren't really making new ground on conversions.

    It could be a mistake but I am looking at the demographic picture of Serbia and it's not promising at all, especially for a small nation as Serbs are.Look at the stats-Kosovo excluded!

    1991 census in Serbia (excluding Kosovo)
    Serbs = 6,252,405

    2002 census in Serbia (excluding Kosovo)
    Serbs = 6,212,838

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Serbia


    Demographic picture of Serbia reason for concern

    We shall lose 20 percent of population until 2050

    In 2050 Serbia shall have a population by 20 percent smaller than it is today, or the same population it had in 1950. Our citizens shall then be much older on average than they are today and we have been already among the oldest nations in Europe.

    The latest data of the American Bureau for data on population show that Serbia occupies the 4th place in Europe regarding the demographic drop. The worst is that the number is permanently dropping.
    Goran Penev of the Center for demographic research of the Institute of social sciences says that such perspective of the possible demographic movement is more or less realistic.
    According to the newest data of the Republican institute for statistics last year the number of born children increased and the number of deaths dropped for the first time after several years, but the situation is still worrying.

    http://www.blic.rs/infocus.php?id=5003

    I apologize for going off topic so much and let's go back to burka problem. I am absolutely against it and it's usage in Europe if it means coverage like presented on this photo (because of security reasons):


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    Re: Ban The Burka

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:46 am

    Just looking at that pic of all those hot Burka women...I just.........just........


    Jizzed in my pants

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    Re: Ban The Burka

    Post  Vladimir79 on Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:48 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Just looking at that pic of all those hot Burka women...I just.........just........
    Jizzed in my pants

    Disgusting... Embarassed

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    Re: Ban The Burka

    Post  solo.13mmfmj on Wed May 12, 2010 10:49 pm

    Muslims will be a problem in Russia and Europe in the future.Europeans are doomed.
    Europe needs to revise its imigration rules before it is to late

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    Re: Ban The Burka

    Post  solo.13mmfmj on Tue May 18, 2010 3:47 am

    http://www.cotidianul.ro/index.php?id=10128&art=26941&cHash=fb046e2939

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    Re: Ban The Burka

    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:56 pm

    France's lower house just banned the burka 334:1. No doubt it will pass. At the rate it is going, it will soon be illegal in all of Western Europe.

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    Re: Ban The Burka

    Post  milky_candy_sugar on Fri Jul 16, 2010 8:08 pm

    its like around 50 celcius in Iran, and they all wear burka...HOW THE HELL DO THEY MANAGE TO SURVIVE? =.=


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    Re: Ban The Burka

    Post  nightcrawler on Thu Oct 21, 2010 4:44 pm

    WoW!!
    So much hate for Islam...
    Any member want to discuss any Islam related problem he/she deems to clear his/her mind then do freely question me. I just am a student but will try utmost to get you clear answers; besudes all members do some research that Islam is the fastest growing religion in world~~~

    No offence plz. I do hope Mods will take care of any rough language

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    Re: Ban The Burka

    Post  milky_candy_sugar on Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:47 am

    I think that it's a good idea. Showing around signs of your religion won't always bring good things. Muslims shouldn't wear things that points them as "muslim", as well as christians or jews


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    Re: Ban The Burka

    Post  nightcrawler on Tue Nov 09, 2010 4:05 pm

    milky_candy_sugar wrote:I think that it's a good idea. Showing around signs of your religion won't always bring good things. Muslims shouldn't wear things that points them as "muslim", as well as christians or jews

    Look here is the misunderstanding; Burqa isn't an Muslim/Islamic sign!!
    Our religious code is such that you have to cover everything except hands,feet & face with some kindoff a non-transparent cloth..It can either be blue/black or white. So you see no definite symbology is here just instruction what to cover & what not; depending upon you you have any style adopted such that above guidelines are met.
    As an analogy Christian code for nuns isn't very unlikely with that of Muslims

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    Re: Ban The Burka

    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:23 am

    The problem is created when women cover everything and you can only see their eyes.

    This is not acceptable in western society generally... try walking around in a balaclava with only your eyes showing and see how people around you react.

    There is lots of freedoms in the west, but everyone has rules on clothing.

    Saying a muslim woman has the right to wear a Burka if she wants is like saying a western man who happens to be a nudist can walk around in any country on the planet in the nude. It is his belief and should be his right?
    But in this case his demands to exercise his rights is offensive to most other cultures and religions. Other nudists would not care, but there are plenty who would care and rules can't just be made for the benefit of one or other groups but for everyone to live together. This means there are places where you can go nude and if that sort of thing offends then you have the right not to go there and not be offended.
    If a muslim woman feels the need to completely cover up then that is fine... but should she be allowed into a shop? Or a bank?
    I know at banks here you can't even go in with a motorcycle helmet on let alone a full body covering.

    If I were to go to Iran I would not wear a T shirt and shorts and walk around in bare feet. I would try to respect their customs because it is their country and my exposure would cause genuine offense.
    Perhaps Muslim women could extend the same respect when in western cultures and show their full faces?
    Such a gesture would make more drastic measures like bans unnecessary or at least harder to justify.

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    Re: Ban The Burka

    Post  nightcrawler on Wed Nov 10, 2010 2:52 pm

    The problem is created when women cover everything and you can only see their eyes
    @GarryB
    So right u are;
    Completely hiding of the face leads to security problems which inturn may be used against Humanity (for which Islam is great supporter).
    For instance we have seen many times that a Burqa clad woman is used as a weapon by terrorists to cause explosions in a civilian congregation; without the fear of giving away identity!!
    Thus anything that can be used or may have the potential to be used against other lives is not allowed anywhere in Islam>>>analogy applies to alcohol; brothels; nudity; corruption & what not




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    Re: Ban The Burka

    Post  IronsightSniper on Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:34 am

    nightcrawler wrote:
    The problem is created when women cover everything and you can only see their eyes
    @GarryB
    So right u are;
    Completely hiding of the face leads to security problems which inturn may be used against Humanity (for which Islam is great supporter).
    For instance we have seen many times that a Burqa clad woman is used as a weapon by terrorists to cause explosions in a civilian congregation; without the fear of giving away identity!!
    Thus anything that can be used or may have the potential to be used against other lives is not allowed anywhere in Islam>>>analogy applies to alcohol; brothels; nudity; corruption & what not




    You misunderstand, it's not that we associate those who cover their faces with terrorists, but we associate those who cover their faces with Bank Robbers and the such.

    Here's a classic example of what I mean:


    ^A modern U.S. bank robber.


    As you can see, there are not many difference between the facial garment he is wearing if compared to a Burqa.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:54 am

    Instead of just treating women wearing such clothing as aliens we need to get a better understanding about the actual reasons for the practises.
    And try to take from their culture the reasons why in some circumstances they need to adapt to the west.

    The problem is that in the west very few people will spend an entire day with their faces covered when going around in their day to day business.
    Someone who covers their face normally wants to hide their identity and not for reasons of privacy, but to evade capture in the commission of a crime.
    Balaclavas or as they are sometimes called Ski Masks might have at one time been acceptable when skiing, but even now I have been to a lot of ski resorts and it is incredibly rare to see people wearing full face Ski Masks.

    There was a siege in Israel in a church I believe where an important man attempted to escape by dressing in a full face Burqa, and the Irony was that he was indignant at the revelation that he dressed as a woman on public television.
    To a westerner the idea that being thought to be a cross dresser was what he was worried about when his actions bring into disrepute women who choose to dress like that seems crazy.

    It is like a case a few years ago when Israeli agents stole New Zealand identities so they could go on missions in other countries disguised as Kiwis. All they thought about was that NZ passports would get them places Israeli and US passports would not. They didn't care about the effect on genuine Kiwi travellers after it was revealed that they had this practise.

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    Post  Kysusha on Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:16 am

    GarryB wrote:It is like a case a few years ago when Israeli agents stole New Zealand identities so they could go on missions in other countries disguised as Kiwis. All they thought about was that NZ passports would get them places Israeli and US passports would not. They didn't care about the effect on genuine Kiwi travellers after it was revealed that they had this practise.
    Zionist care about no one other than themselves. For a Zionist, the ends justifies the means.

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