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    d_taddei2

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    T-34 tank and ZSU-57-2

    Post  d_taddei2 on Sat May 11, 2013 1:51 pm

    Hi all,

    The t-34 tank and ZSU-57 is still in use in some armies around the world today. But the question is are they any good on todays battle field or should they scrapped/museum piece???

    My general view is the t-34 as a main battle tank is no longer an option but this tank with a few upgrades would be ideal as an infantry support tank, its gun would still be useful against light armoured vehicles and bunkers, this could be improved with some upgraded ammo, and day/night/all weather optic's.

    As for the ZSU-57 i think its anti air capabilities are very limited, forces using them would only hope to to take out slow moving aircraft and helicopters if they were lucky. i think yet again this vehicle would be of use to infantry in the ground support role, attack light armoured vehicles and bunkers, with the same upgrades as mentioned on the t-34, the main advantage with this would be the range of the weapon.
    I know being an ex infantryman that support at times can be sacre and any is welcomed on the battle field, would i be happy to have a t-34 taking out bunkers or a ZSU-57 providing fire support for me, hell yes!

    Please share your views on this.
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    Re: T-34 tank and ZSU-57-2

    Post  Zivo on Sat May 11, 2013 2:20 pm

    welcome


    Even on the modern battle field, I think if a ZSU-57 showed up people on the receiving end would high tail it out of there. T-55's are still widely used, and if you're fighting against them on foot, a T-34 would be just as deadly as a T-55.

    Syria also stuck a D-30 on a T-34 chassis and come up with this oddity.

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Sat May 11, 2013 3:14 pm

    thanks for replying, i think your right i wouldnt want to be around if a ZSU-57 was firing at me, ive seen the t-34/artillery before, think it fits this role well, a fairly decent chassis to mount something like this, at least there putting some old equipment into use rather than letting it rust in an old warehouse.
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    Re: T-34 tank and ZSU-57-2

    Post  Regular on Sat May 11, 2013 7:07 pm

    In Hungary protesters managed to start T-34 that was actually a monument and was sitting there for decades!


    I once went to Poland and we seen T-34 (don't remember version) in a country side village. When we went there to take pictures owner shoved up and even let us inside tank. He said that tank engine is still alive.
    Not sure if You can use these tanks now as there are loads of t-55 that are more advanced and they would be no match for them, but in a revolution it would be perfect. ZSU-57 is good too, they can shred older tanks to bits. And can rip optics, tracks, damage barrel to any tank. You only need people who know what they are doing.
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    Re: T-34 tank and ZSU-57-2

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sat May 11, 2013 9:19 pm

    If the ZSU-57 was equipped with laser guided shells and modern FCS it would be quite a threat to UAVs, helos and slow flying aircraft.
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Sat May 11, 2013 10:05 pm

    I remember a t-34 being recovered from a bog, pretty sure it was in Estonia and they managed to start it up despite being at the bottom of a bog for 60-70yrs aparently the engine had no oil leaks and the tank had hardly any rust.

    The ZSU-57 rounds were powerful against aircraft, i read somewhere that 1-2 rounds would have taken out fixed wing aircraft. if it had a decent radar/tracker and and few other upgrades i reckon the current shells would do a fine job at shredding helicopters and other aircraft.
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    Re: T-34 tank and ZSU-57-2

    Post  GarryB on Sun May 12, 2013 10:21 am

    Really depend what you were going to do with them.

    As mentioned above, the T-34 is starting to become relatively rare, while later models, especially the T-55 family are still widely abundant and various upgrades exist for them.

    The biggest issue with the ZSU-57-2 is the open roof and the fact that the rounds are enormous and clip fed. They are very powerful and have been found to be very effective against ground targets.

    If you want cheap however I would think that a T-55, or even an early model T-72 would be cheaper and have better upgrade potential, and I suspect the same for the ZSU-23-4, or early model Tunguskas.

    Slightly more expensive but much more growth potential.

    Rather than the ZSU-57-2 it might even be more worthwhile looking at a PT-76 with the A-220 turret fitted with the automatic 57mm gun and upgraded optics/systems. A stabilised mount, with autoloader and night vision equipment, a small modification of the vehicle... lost the amphibious capability and expand the ammo storage to 300 odd rounds and you have a very powerful anti IFV vehicle that can be used against ground and air targets and to support infantry directly.
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    Re: T-34 tank and ZSU-57-2

    Post  Cyberspec on Sun May 12, 2013 12:42 pm

    The ZSU-57-2 would still be useful in the infantry support role....I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of this thing

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    Re: T-34 tank and ZSU-57-2

    Post  medo on Sun May 12, 2013 2:01 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:The ZSU-57-2 would still be useful in the infantry support role....I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of this thing


    Guns are still effective, but the vehicle itself is too old. It is better to place new AU-220M turret with autoloader and modern FCS on T-72 chassis and get effective support vehicle.
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Sun May 12, 2013 5:15 pm

    thanks to all who have reply to the thread.
    Garry your right in its open top, the crew and ammo is to vunerable to small arms fire and shrapnel. The ZSU 23-4 has proven to be excellent in the ground support role. And the t-55 has so many upgrades option available to it now that they can be pretty useful. I am hoping to post more similar questions about other older kit to see the views of others as theres some interesting views (if people are happy with me asking). Other forums ive been on always come out with silly comments like Russian equipment is outdated, no use on the battle field and all there stuff is crap, its good to see some common battle field sense and knowledgeable comments.
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    Re: T-34 tank and ZSU-57-2

    Post  GarryB on Mon May 13, 2013 11:57 am

    To say Russian stuff is outdated needs qualification... the T-34 and ZSU-57-2 are very old vehicles, but where there is a shortage of RPGs and enemy armour even outdated can be useful if you have it and they don't.

    The problem in the west is that if you have an Ipad 1 then you are out of date... if the Ipad 1 does everything you need for it to do, then it is not out of date... they are just being stuck up snobs.

    It would help with such questions if you give some context, for instance a country in Africa might have a significant supply of T-34s and ZSU-57-2s and so what is their cheapest upgrade options.

    Just as an example I would say that a T-34 and ZSU-57-2 are simple basic machines that would be easier to use and upgrade in African conditions that some uber expensive super tank, but the fact that the ZSU-57-2 is T-55 based, but with lightened armour I would say that the T-34s could have their turrets removed and mounted on boats to create cheap gun boats and the vehicles reduced to scrap and money spent buying more T-55s to have automotive commonality.

    The 100mm gun of the T-54/55 is rather more effective than the light gun of the T-34, whether it is a 76.2mm or an 85mm.

    Many upgrades of the T-55 start by replacing the turret with an early model T-72 turret, so the abundance of the T-72s could make a bulk purchase of such vehicles a much more sensible proposition.

    The critical thing would be to enforce the rule that with regards to internal ammo storage only 22 round inside the autoloader and no other main gun ammo as it is a serious fire risk. Perhaps small trailers could be fitted to carry more ammo externally safely.

    With T-72s you could develop a separate vehicle with the A-220 turret with a single 57mm gun for ground support and anti aircraft use.

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