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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:00 am

    Why not just use a hovercraft?
    Cheaper and less infrastructure needed.

    Large hovercraft are limited to about 60Knts top speed and are not efficient for long distance like an aircraft.

    A hovercraft Ekranoplane would need less infrastructure than an aircraft (ie no runway) and no more than a hovercraft.

    If/when it's skirt is perforated/damaged, it's a sitting duck unable to move!

    When an aircrafts undercarriage is damaged it is equally useless.

    All is needed are bullets, shells or shrapnel to disable it.

    They will disable all sorts of craft...

    A hybrid of the 2 may not be possible w/o decreased performance.

    What would be needed is a retractable skirt for landing and taking off...


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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:58 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:Why not concentrate in getting one more frigate next year? I mean actually receiving a ship of > 3,000 tonnage.
    Cause I think all these side-show monkey projects are milking money away from the important stuff Rolling Eyes

    KG is STILL sooking about Frigate construction?...    On a thread about Ekranoplans?....  Fuck mate, you got some problems.

    Their Navy is in a deplorable condition to talk about those big, heavy Ekranoplans at this stage.
    They need to sort out their priorities and get these pork barrel programs shut down.
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:25 pm

    "Russia they develop a superheavy 600T ekranoplan, comparable to the famous "Caspian Monster" [550T]; the range of the "Rescuer" will be several thousand km, capable to sit on the water & flat solid surface..", intended for SAR, marine landing & supply. https://vz.ru/news/2017/10/27/892670.html?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=24smi&utm_term=1341913
    https://www.wired.com/2011/06/ekranoplan/
    https://gizmodo.com/this-caspian-sea-monster-was-a-giant-soviet-spruce-go-1456423681

    To compare, the AN-225 has 285T empty weight & 640T MTOW:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-225_Mriya#Specifications_.28An-225_Mriya.29
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  George1 on Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:03 pm

    Aviation of the Pacific Fleet received six repaired Ka-29 helicopters



       The bmpd comment. According to available information, on November 9, 2017 six transport-and-repair repairs to the Kumertau Aircraft Production Enterprise (KumAPP, part of the Russian Helicopters JSC) transport-combat helicopters Ka-29 were delivered to Nikolaevka, which were formally handed over after the repair in December 2016 (the well-known board numbers "85", "90", "91" and "94").

       The contract for the repair of these six Ka-29 helicopters was listed in the work plan of Kumertau Aviation Production Enterprise JSC (KumAPP) for 2016. The value of the contract is 435 million rubles. (thus the repair price of one helicopter was 72.5 million rubles).

       This transfer will significantly increase the fleet of operating Ka-29 helicopters of the Navy of the Russian Navy, as only four Ka-29 helicopters were in the state of the Navy at the end of 2016 - two cars with aircraft numbers "38 yellow" (registration number RF-34194) and "39 yellow" (registration number RF-34188), operated at the 859th Center for Combat Operations and Training of the Flight Structure of the Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy in Yeisk, as well as Ka-29 helicopters with the "23 red" and "75 red" in the aviation of the Northern Fleet.

       It should be noted that the repair of two more Ka-29 helicopters of the Black Sea Fleet aviation (yellow side plates "69" and "70") was completed in 2017 at SUE "Sevastopol Aircraft Repair Enterprise" (SAP).

       In total, from 1977 to 1988, three pilot and 59 serial Ka-29 helicopters were built, of which seven after the collapse of the Soviet Union withdrew to Ukraine.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2942897.html


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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  medo on Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:59 pm

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12153428@egNews

    Очередная партия палубных истребителей Су-33 оборудована специальной вычислительной подсистемы СВП-24-33 в рамках модернизации.
    В результате проведенной модернизации они смогут с высокой эффективностью работать не только по воздушным, но также по наземным и морским целям.

    A new batch of Su-33 fighters was equipped with SVP-24-33 FCS. There is a good question, if Gefest could also replace components in radar and instal processor Baguet-55.04 and other new components in it. They don't need to replace a whole radar, just few components in it and it will become multirole.
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  medo on Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:59 pm

    https://navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/december-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5780-kh-31-air-to-surface-missile-added-to-russian-navy-mig-29k-kub-weapons-package.html

    Not sure if this was mentioned here. Russian Navy is arming their MiG-29K/KUB with Kh-31A(D?) anti-ship missiles. It seems first naval fighters receiving those missiles were Su-30SM. I wonder, how quick those missiles will be available for Su-33. It looks like navy didn't have those missiles before and this could be a very good reason, why we didn't see Su-33 armed with Kh-31 missiles in past. If Navy only now receive Kh-31A/P missiles, than we will also see in near future, if Su-33 is capable to use anti-radar Kh-31P missiles as it is equipped with L150 Pastel RWR. It looks like Navy only now receive guided weapons like Kh-29TD seen on Su-30SM, KAB-500Kr bombs, Kh-31A/P missiles, etc. I wonder what weapons have navy for their Su-24M before.
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    Repaired Ka-29 helicopter in the Baltic Fleet

    Post  George1 on Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:23 pm

    Repaired Ka-29 helicopter in the Baltic Fleet

    In the final stage of the State tests in the Baltic Sea, the first large-scale landing ship of the 11711 Ivan Gren project, which was built at the PJSC Baltic Shipyard Yantar, was engaged in the first returned to the combat composition of the aviation of the Baltic Fleet of the Russian Navy after a long break, the Ka-29 transport and landing helicopter , now having the onboard number "14 yellow".



    According to the known data, this helicopter was repaired at JSC "150 aircraft repair plant" (Lublino, Kaliningrad region, now the plant is a part of the JSC "Helicopters of Russia") and was delivered at the end of 2016, but actually put into operation in the summer of 2017 , becoming the first for a long time by the operational Ka-29 helicopter as part of the Baltic Fleet aviation. The helicopter is a part of the helicopter squadron of the 72nd aviation base of aviation of the Baltic Fleet, stationed at the airdrome Donskoe (Kaliningrad region).

    In November 2017, it was reported that the 150th ARZ completed the overhaul of three more Ka-29 helicopters from the aviation of the Baltic Fleet, which allowed the formation of a detachment of these helicopters in Donskoy. However, according to available information, the crews of these helicopters are still being trained at the 859th Center for Combat Training and Retraining of the Naval Aviation Staff of the Russian Navy in Yeysk.

    Earlier, roughly from 2004 to 2010, one Ka-29 helicopter with the aircraft number "22 yellow" was operated as part of the Baltic Fleet aviation, before being repaired at the 150th ARZ, but then it was decommissioned by the resource. The remaining Baltic Ka-29s were discontinued by the end of the 2000s.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3007929.html


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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  Luq man on Sun Dec 24, 2017 6:58 pm

    New Russian naval helicopter drone developed:
    http://yablor.ru/blogs/razrabotka-bespilotnogo-letatelnogo/5851923
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  eehnie on Mon Dec 25, 2017 2:00 pm

    Very interesting. The Russian Navy is surely working tireless in order to have the most advanced unmanned aircrafts, including helicopters. Most of the roles they need will be solved by unmanned aircrafts in some years.

    Ships are strong platforms that allow many options for UAVs. Every ship can operate UAVs even the smallest. Very likely they are finding the maximum operative size for UAVs for every type of ship, in order to maximize the range of the UAVs and the payload of sensors they can carry. In the case of the ships with helipad this maximum size will be very close to the size of the current helicopters, and being unmanned the ranges of these UAVs will be powerful..

    Only the shipborne fighters are less likely to become unmanned, and Russia has assured the future of shipborne fighters with the Su-57. All the rest, every new type of combat and auxiliary (early warning, maritime patrol, transport,...) helicopter or modern VTOL aircraft is likely to be unmanned after 2025.

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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  kopyo-21 on Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:40 am

    medo wrote:It seems SVP-24 is not just ballistic computing subsystem but a full fire control complex. I wonder, how much influence in SVP-24 have Su-30KN modernization package,  as Su-30KN and Su-27UBM were cancelled in 2003 and Irkut decide to not continue with this program, but went on Su-30MKI program. Irkut deliver Su-30KN package to Baranovichi aviation plant in Belarus, which similarly as Gefest install this modernization package to Su-27/30, MiG-29, Su-25 and Su-22 with similar capabilities. Could be, that Gefest got this package as well, as it was no more in use by Irkut and was free for other users. After all Su-30KN was made as low cost multirole fighter for RuAF needs in that time, which have to be as capable as possible and as cheap as possible, but was still cancelled because of money shortage. If Gefest got Su-30KN package in their hands, than a speed of Su-33 upgrade is not a surprize and this package includes radar upgrade to become multirole fighter. Distance of 300 km on Su-33 display shows, that Radar is upgraded as basic N001 from old Su-33 doesn't have such range. Acording to info from Baranovichi, upgraded radar have range against ground targets 150 km and against naval targets 350 km. This could be well seen on Su-33 display, where max distance was limited to 300 km, but other distances are standard as with Su-24M.

    http://www.558arp.by/en/products-and-services-eng/services-eng/modernization-aviation-materiel-eng/su-27-30-aircraft-eng

    Obviously, Gefest & T is direct competitor of Knaapo & Irkut in modernization projects of Su-24M, Su-25, Su-27, Su-33, etc so they (Knaapo & Irkut) will not collaborate with Gefest & T without requirement from Russian MOD.

    In case of Su-33s modernization, they have been upgraded by Knaapo so besides SVP-24-33 package, the rest are more likely to Su-27SM/SM3, that also have been done by Knaapo too. Sofar, the Su-33s have got modernization as follows:

    - In early of 2000': SLEP, replaced old RWR by new L-150 Pastel, installed the gps/glonass navigation system A-737 that shows the information through the knee EKP-NT MFD.

    - 2016-2017: SVP-24-33 Gefest & T.

    - 2017-2018: New or upgraded WCS & FCS that includes the upgraded N-001VP1 radar, (may be) new IRST, new air to surface, air to sea and air to air weapons.

    - 2019-2020 (est.): New engines that have been re-produced since middle of last year and in state testing. New engines will be added lastest development of AL-31F engine family, have special thrust modes to help Su-33s take off from desk with full loads (can not do now) and do special maneuvers in cases of emergency.
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  medo on Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:19 pm

    kopyo-21 wrote:
    medo wrote:It seems SVP-24 is not just ballistic computing subsystem but a full fire control complex. I wonder, how much influence in SVP-24 have Su-30KN modernization package,  as Su-30KN and Su-27UBM were cancelled in 2003 and Irkut decide to not continue with this program, but went on Su-30MKI program. Irkut deliver Su-30KN package to Baranovichi aviation plant in Belarus, which similarly as Gefest install this modernization package to Su-27/30, MiG-29, Su-25 and Su-22 with similar capabilities. Could be, that Gefest got this package as well, as it was no more in use by Irkut and was free for other users. After all Su-30KN was made as low cost multirole fighter for RuAF needs in that time, which have to be as capable as possible and as cheap as possible, but was still cancelled because of money shortage. If Gefest got Su-30KN package in their hands, than a speed of Su-33 upgrade is not a surprize and this package includes radar upgrade to become multirole fighter. Distance of 300 km on Su-33 display shows, that Radar is upgraded as basic N001 from old Su-33 doesn't have such range. Acording to info from Baranovichi, upgraded radar have range against ground targets 150 km and against naval targets 350 km. This could be well seen on Su-33 display, where max distance was limited to 300 km, but other distances are standard as with Su-24M.

    http://www.558arp.by/en/products-and-services-eng/services-eng/modernization-aviation-materiel-eng/su-27-30-aircraft-eng

    Obviously, Gefest & T is direct competitor of Knaapo & Irkut in modernization projects of Su-24M, Su-25, Su-27, Su-33, etc so they (Knaapo & Irkut) will not collaborate with Gefest & T without requirement from Russian MOD.

    In case of Su-33s modernization, they have been upgraded by Knaapo so besides SVP-24-33 package, the rest are more likely to Su-27SM/SM3, that also have been done by Knaapo too. Sofar, the Su-33s have got modernization as follows:

    - In early of 2000': SLEP, replaced old RWR by new L-150 Pastel, installed the gps/glonass navigation system A-737 that shows the information through the knee EKP-NT MFD.

    - 2016-2017: SVP-24-33 Gefest & T.

    - 2017-2018: New or upgraded WCS & FCS that includes the upgraded N-001VP1 radar, (may be) new IRST, new air to surface, air to sea and air to air weapons.

    - 2019-2020 (est.): New engines that have been re-produced since middle of last year and in state testing. New engines will be added lastest development of AL-31F engine family, have special thrust modes to help Su-33s take off from desk with full loads (can not do now) and do special maneuvers in cases of emergency.

    Gefest & T is not a competitor to Irkut in modernization projects, because Irkut decided to stop with modernization projects when Su-30KN was canceled and delivered this Su-30KN package to ARZ Baranovichi in Belarus. Irkut now produce only new planes and is out from modernisation business. Su-30KN radar upgrade is free for Gefest to use it and it is similar to N001VEP. Actually it use the same Baguet-55 processor as N001VEP, so those electronic blocs are not reserved only fo KNAAPO. Gefest made very quick modernization of Su-33, which work well in Syria although they didn't modernize any fighter before. I didn't see a problem to take components from Su-30KN modernization package, which was tested and operational and add some of their own from SVP-24 and build them in Su-33 as SVP-24-33. After all distance of 300 km in Su-33 display show it is calibrated to 300 km radar range, so radar have to be upgraded to N001VEP level to get that range. KNAAPO have their own Su-27SM modernization package, but they have nothing with Su-30KN package, so they could not prevent Gefest to use components from Su-30KN package.

    It seems RuNAVY still more like Su-33 than MiG-29K as they will not order any additional MiG-29K, but will fully modernize their Su-33 jets and produce new engines for them. After all modernized Su-33 is no worse than MiG-29K. They have similar agility and same +8g limitation because of folding wings. Su-33 have full data link communication capabilities with IFDL from the beginning. N001VEP radar is actually more capable than Zhuk-M in MiG-29K as it have longer range and both can track 10 targets and engage 4 targets simultaneously. Su-33 have longer range, have more hardpoints and carry heavier armament load.

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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  kopyo-21 on Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:39 am

    Knaapo is the main contractor of Su-33 modernization while Gefest & T is just sup-contractor for SVP-24-33 complex so it is not common sense to talk about Gefest & T would corporate with Irkut to upgrade Su-33s. Another thing, Su-33 is more likely to Su-27. They all are one seat fighter so using the Su-27SM/SM3 solution with expertise of Knaapo to apply for Su-33 is much more logical than using Su-30KN's of irkut.

    N-001VEP & N-001VEP1 are radar versions for export for Su-30mk2 and Su-33K (export to China) in respectively. The domestic versions called N-001VP and N-001VP1.
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  medo on Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:47 pm

    KNAAPO was contracted for general overhaul and small modernization of Su-33, which it did. Gefest modernization is another contract with Russian MoD and KNAAPO have nothing with it. Su-27SM and Su-30KN are two quite similar modernization packages. It's true, that KNAAPO modernize only single seaters to Su-27SM/SM3, but Su-30KN was used in both single and twin seater Su-27S and Su-27UB. Baranovichi ARZ use Su-30KN modernization package to modernize both Su-27S and Su-27UB jets for Belarus and Kazakhstan air forces to Su-27M2 and Su-27UBM2. So there is no problem to use Su-30KN package for Su-33. For Gefest Su-30KN components are only logical solution as Irkut is out of modernization business and it is free to use and on the other side Su-27SM package could be used only by KNAAPO as it is still in this business. Su-30KN package is well tested and operational in Kazakhstan with Su-27M2 and Su-27UBM2 and in Angola with Su-30KN, while Belarus retired their Su-27 jets. No need to reinvent a wheel, just use what works well and is not expensive.

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    Post  kopyo-21 on Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:48 pm

    You are wrong Medo.

    Don't forget that Knaapo is the manufacturer of Su-33s so only it has full capability to access and modernize Su-33s. Sofar, Knaapo still is the main contractor for Su-33s modernization. It is still upgrading all Su-33s, adding new combat systems (Upgraded N001VP1, new IRST, new cockpit, new/upgraded WCS, ECM, etc) and new waepons for them to deal with both land and sea targets. There is no anything left so talking Gefest & T should/would corporate with Irkut to upgrade Su-33s is non sense and unreal.
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  George1 on Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:48 pm

    Russian Helicopters deliver upgraded Ka-27Ms to Defense Ministry

    The first of the delivered helicopters was already dispatched to its Baltic Fleet home base

    MOSCOW, January 9. /TASS/. Russian Helicopters (part of Rostec) have delivered a batch of Ka-27M helicopters to the Russian Navy, the company’s press service reported on Tuesday.

    "The first of the delivered helicopters was already dispatched to its Baltic Fleet home base. In addition, Ka-27Ms will be deployed to the Pacific and Northern Fleets. Upgrading Ka-27Ms is part of the state defense order," Russian Helicopters said in the statement.

    The Ka-27-class multirole helicopters of various versions are the core of the helicopter units of the Navy’s marine aviation. They are built to conduct air reconnaissance at sea, provide anti-submarine protection of ship groups, search for, detect, track and destroy submarines and surface ships, as well as conduct search and rescue operations for crews of ships and aircraft in distress at sea and perform transport tasks to support the actions of ship groups.


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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  George1 on Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:29 pm

    January 17 2018 images of #Kamov-29 50 & 86 Yellow at Knevichi (VVO). Guess they are from Nikolaevka(?) Seems like they've been overhauled(?)





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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  George1 on Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:26 am

    Russian naval aviation to get about 50 modernized Ka-27 helicopters by 2020

    MOSCOW, February 7. /TASS/. About 50 modernized Ka-27 shipborne anti-submarine helicopters (NATO reporting name 'Helix') will enter service with the Russian naval aviation by 2020, Navy spokesman Capt. 1st rank Igor Dygalo said on Wednesday.

    "Those shipborne helicopters have already demonstrated their best capacities and high efficiency. At present, about 20 modernized Ka-27M helicopters have already entered service. Some 30 more are expected to enter service by 2020," he said.

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