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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:54 am

    So, Russians tempering own underwater cables? Good call.

    What are you talking about?

    Russian subs maintain their own cables and tamper with the cables and systems of enemies like US and UK and EU.

    So yeah, GPS or low frequency emmiters are the thing since it was declassified.

    SOSUS existed in the 1960s when GPS didn't exist so it can't be that critical.

    In ideal situation they would need like...5 or 6 times more maritime patrol aircraft than Japan.

    With the addition of sea bed arrays they would not.

    To switch coasts Japanese maritime patrol aircraft needs to fly 100 miles, Russian to switch from Baltic to Pacific would need to land 4 times for fuel.

    And how often would you want to switch from the Baltic to the Pacific?

    Most of the time you would not.

    Maritime patrol is not exclusive for military applications, its used for iceberg tracking, observing weather, search and rescue, maritime research of many kinds...

    That is what border patrol forces are for... and ministries for emergency, research etc etc.

    For studying weather an aircraft like the Myacheshev M-17 would be more useful than a Tu-142.



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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  Militarov on Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:31 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    So, Russians tempering own underwater cables? Good call.

    What are you talking about?

    Russian subs maintain their own cables and tamper with the cables and systems of enemies like US and UK and EU.

    So yeah, GPS or low frequency emmiters are the thing since it was declassified.

    SOSUS existed in the 1960s when GPS didn't exist so it can't be that critical.

    In ideal situation they would need like...5 or 6 times more maritime patrol aircraft than Japan.

    With the addition of sea bed arrays they would not.

    To switch coasts Japanese maritime patrol aircraft needs to fly 100 miles, Russian to switch from Baltic to Pacific would need to land 4 times for fuel.

    And how often would you want to switch from the Baltic to the Pacific?

    Most of the time you would not.

    Maritime patrol is not exclusive for military applications, its used for iceberg tracking, observing weather, search and rescue, maritime research of many kinds...

    That is what border patrol forces are for... and ministries for emergency, research etc etc.

    For studying weather an aircraft like the Myacheshev M-17 would be more useful than a Tu-142.


    I clearly said "after it was declassified", which happened somewhere in about 1991. i belive, before that i find it more than plausible that they had some type of LFEs.

    Maritime patrol does not equal ASW warfare first to clear that up. Also Russian Coast Guard to my knowledge has just few Antonov An-26 for transport duties.

    Well it obviously needs to happen when you have 20+ maritime patrol aircrafts on country sized as Russia. If there is conflict of some sort in Pacific you will sure as hell move your ASW assets there, you wont search for sub in Black Sea if you are fighting with Japan. There is simply not enough of them you can spread one drop of marmelade on whole bread. Japan has very tiny piece of bread and whole jar of marmelade.

    Actually i was thinking more of those 53d Weather Reconnaissance Squadron that USN operates for an example, such missions require turboprops. Such squadron would be very useful in Russian navy due to major storms and blizzards that they cope with in the North.
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  eehnie on Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:19 pm

    I do not think Russia will follow the philosophy of the US on Maritime Patrol. The age of the manned Maritime Patrol aircrafts is near the end. Manned aircrafts for Maritime Patrol have shorter future than the lifetime of a new aircraft produced today.
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  Militarov on Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:39 pm

    eehnie wrote:I do not think Russia will follow the philosophy of the US on Maritime Patrol. The age of the manned Maritime Patrol aircrafts is near the end. Manned aircrafts for Maritime Patrol have shorter future than the lifetime of a new aircraft produced today.

    Seems US is planning of having high altitude maritime patrol and ASW performed by manned aircraft like P-8 (and alike?, since i doubt they will completely discard turboprops mby something on C-130J platform appears in future) and low altitude one by means of UAVs.
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    Post  Singular_Transform on Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:35 pm

    Militarov wrote:

    That actually depends how thick is the ice, i belive IEER can work on ice too if its not extremly thick which is rarely on open ocean.

    When its about MAD i belive Indian and UK P-8s will have it, while USN opted aganist it seems partially because they want to introduce new type of sonobouys called MAC which pulse for prolonged period of time till onboard battery runs off. And seems they want to keep MAD sensors on ASW helicopters and future ASW UAV-s rather than P-8s, looks that idea is that UAVs should do low altitude search and P-8s high altitude search, however 12km altitude sounds abit too high for me, i belive average altitude from which it will be operated is more like 6-8km.

    As I see the IEER actually the data collection system from the sonabouys.

    Means if there is ice then you need heavy, rugged (and expensive) sonabouy to crack the ice.


    And above certain thickness it is not possible at all.

    And even if you crack the ice the emitter will stuck under the ice, blocking the UHF transmitter.

    So, no, you won't be able to use it on ice.

    The P-8 fly 12 km high to observe bigger area, and to have longer loiter time.
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    Post  Singular_Transform on Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:41 pm




    Just for reference, this is a heavy, maximum ice condition on the Russian EEZ.

    Patrol aircraft can be used only a very small area.

    Means it is impossible to detect submarines with aircraft, they need seabed sonars.
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    Post  Isos on Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:05 pm

    They can still go for cheaper civilian jet converted for patroling like Dassault falcon jet. No need for an expensive aircraft that will be shot down if it goes near a destroyer or if intercepted by a fighter. Their role is not that important in my opinion. Maybe a big simple drone widely produce can be better.

    The space between Japan and Russia can be covered by 4 Su-35's radars and all ships will be detected with the option of defending themeselves and the ability of attacking with a variety of different missiles.
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  eehnie on Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:39 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:I do not think Russia will follow the philosophy of the US on Maritime Patrol. The age of the manned Maritime Patrol aircrafts is near the end. Manned aircrafts for Maritime Patrol have shorter future than the lifetime of a new aircraft produced today.

    Seems US is planning of having high altitude maritime patrol and ASW performed by manned aircraft like P-8 (and alike?, since i doubt they will completely discard turboprops mby something on C-130J platform appears in future) and low altitude one by means of UAVs.

    They have a young model like the P-8 and they have to deal with it. But they know this is not the future. Russia has not an aircraft like this, it is better, because they can move earlier to the unmanned platforms for maritime patrol. In 20-25 years the P-8 will be still a young aircraft but will be severely outdated.
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    Post  Singular_Transform on Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:53 pm

    eehnie wrote:

    They have a young model like the P-8 and they have to deal with it. But they know this is not the future. Russia has not an aircraft like this, it is better, because they can move earlier to the unmanned platforms for maritime patrol. In 20-25 years the P-8 will be still a young aircraft but will be severely outdated.

    No one learnt here game theory?

    You can't use aircraft o hunt submarines best part of the year, means you need something (passive sonar system) anyway,and after that the airplanes has no function .

    Russia needs seabed sonar systems , not maritime patrol aircrafts.
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  eehnie on Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:09 pm

    Singular_Transform wrote:
    eehnie wrote:

    They have a young model like the P-8 and they have to deal with it. But they know this is not the future. Russia has not an aircraft like this, it is better, because they can move earlier to the unmanned platforms for maritime patrol. In 20-25 years the P-8 will be still a young aircraft but will be severely outdated.

    No one learnt here game theory?

    You can't use aircraft o hunt submarines best part of the year, means you need something (passive sonar system) anyway,and after that the airplanes has no function .

    Russia needs seabed sonar systems , not maritime patrol aircrafts.

    I was talking in overall terms, not about a concrete area. I was not entering in the discussion about the iced areas. I tend to think the future of the maritime patrol from air will be solved with shipborne unmanned aircrafts. It means somethings:

    - The aircraft must be light, then no tripulation and few to zero weapons.
    - The warship will have the information from the aircraft/s and also from their other systems. They will combine them.
    - Like a warship can have unmanned aircarfs can have small unmanned submarines with technologies for detection.
    - Armament based in the warship can be used to answer to the detected threats.
    - Also armament carried by external platforms can be used (strategic bombers, other ships, other submarines,...).

    Maybe it helps to give you a better idea of what I think about.


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    Post  Singular_Transform on Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:51 pm

    Isos wrote:They can still go for cheaper civilian jet converted for patroling like Dassault falcon jet. No need for an expensive aircraft that will be shot down if it goes near a destroyer or if intercepted by a fighter. Their role is not that important in my opinion. Maybe a big simple drone widely produce can be better.

    The space between Japan and Russia can be covered by 4 Su-35's radars and all ships will be detected with the option of defending themeselves and the ability of attacking with a variety of different missiles.


    The big aircrafts last for 100000 hours, the fighter jets last for 8000 hours.

    Seabed sonar array last for half million hours Smile
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  Isos on Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:08 pm

    Singular_Transform wrote:
    Isos wrote:They can still go for cheaper civilian jet converted for patroling like Dassault falcon jet. No need for an expensive aircraft that will be shot down if it goes near a destroyer or if intercepted by a fighter. Their role is not that important in my opinion. Maybe a big simple drone widely produce can be better.

    The space between Japan and Russia can be covered by 4 Su-35's radars and all ships will be detected with the option of defending themeselves and the ability of attacking with a variety of different missiles.


    The big aircrafts last for 100000 hours, the fighter  jets last for 8000 hours.

    Seabed sonar array last for half million hours Smile

    But the difference is that with an Aircraft your radar and sonars are not fixed. You can change your position.

    SOSUS was ineffective when two akula class went near US shores for 1 month. When you know where the sonars are, you can adapt you Attack. I'm not saying it's useless but it can't be an offensive tool. And special forces can just cut them before a war.
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    Post  Singular_Transform on Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:34 pm

    Isos wrote:

    But the difference is that with an Aircraft your radar and sonars are not fixed. You can change your position.

    SOSUS was ineffective when two akula class went near US shores for 1 month. When you know where the sonars are, you can adapt you Attack. I'm not saying it's useless but it can't be an offensive tool. And special forces can just cut them before a war.

    SOSU was there as a gatekeeper.

    The russian system is there to cover the whole area, and give real time information about the movement of any ship.

    I think it is quite interesting to see that the Russians preferring the 24/7 radars instead of the airborne units.


    A 24/7 sonar system covering the Russian EEZ and beyond give more than few sonar buoy and maritime radar on an aircraft.

    Starting with that a modern, 200 m long seabed sonar can detect anything in 50 km area. If not then all that you have to do is to increase the sonar length to 1000 m.

    See?

    The maritime aircraft / nuclear submarine needed to cover the area if the sonar failed.


    The US system designed to cover any ocean around the world except the ice covered one.

    The Russian is to cover the home shores, and make impossible for any adversary to operate in attack distance.
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    Post  Isos on Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:51 pm

    Yes for peace period it's the best choice. But in case of war these 200m sonar wires will be cut.

    I think it is quite interesting to see that the Russians preferring the 24/7 radars instead of the airborne units.

    If they really had the choice between A-50U/100 and ground radars they would chose A-50. They can't because of the cost. Idem for satelit early warning radar and ground base early warning radar.

    I agree that they need seabed sonars but not just it without a second capability with patrol Aircraft.
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    Post  Singular_Transform on Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:20 pm

    Isos wrote:Yes for peace period it's the best choice. But in case of war these 200m sonar wires will be cut.


    If they really had the choice between A-50U/100 and ground radars they would chose A-50. They can't because of the cost. Idem for satelit early warning radar and ground base early warning radar.

    I agree that they need seabed sonars but not just it without a second capability with patrol Aircraft.


    It is next to impossible to get close to a 200m sonar wire with anything.


    and the cutting of it is a quite important information, means war drill immediately.


    The early warning aircraft has limited size. Example it hasn't got enought power, and too small for a long wavelenght early warning radar.

    Like the sonabuoys rs of the P-8 Poseidon - compared to a seabed wire sonar the floating sonar is lame and very insensitive.

    I think everyone forget that the airborne application has geometrical advantage, but very bad power ,weight and size disadvantage.

    And the airborne posts are quite easy to destroy, and hard to protect.

    And from one AWACS you can buy 3-4 radar : )
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    Post  Militarov on Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:41 pm

    Singular_Transform wrote:
    Isos wrote:

    But the difference is that with an Aircraft your radar and sonars are not fixed. You can change your position.

    SOSUS was ineffective when two akula class went near US shores for 1 month. When you know where the sonars are, you can adapt you Attack. I'm not saying it's useless but it can't be an offensive tool. And special forces can just cut them before a war.

    SOSU was there as a gatekeeper.

    The russian system is there to cover the whole area, and give real time information about the movement of any ship.

    I think it is quite interesting to see that the Russians preferring the 24/7 radars instead of the airborne units.


    A 24/7 sonar system covering the Russian EEZ and beyond give more than few sonar buoy and maritime radar on an aircraft.

    Starting with that a modern, 200 m long seabed sonar can detect anything in 50 km area. If not then all that you have to do is to increase the sonar length to 1000 m.

    See?

    The maritime aircraft / nuclear submarine needed to cover the area if the sonar failed.


    The US system designed to cover any ocean around the world except the ice covered one.

    The Russian is to cover the home shores, and make impossible for any adversary to operate in attack distance.

    Fixed radar sites in times of war have lifespan of pack of cigarets in whorehouse. US has dozens of fixed radar installations too so?

    If Russians had to choose whey would have same number if not more maritime aviation borts than US or Japan, but there is not enough money, easy as that.

    Also please stop taking sonar detection as granted, it is not granted, not even by a long shot.
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    Post  Isos on Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:52 am


    Fixed radar sites in times of war have lifespan of pack of cigarets in whorehouse. US has dozens of fixed radar installations too so?

    If Russians had to choose whey would have same number if not more maritime aviation borts than US or Japan, but there is not enough money, easy as that.

    Also please stop taking sonar detection as granted, it is not granted, not even by a long shot.

    Agree BUT if you target Russian early warning radar that will be seen as a start for nuk war. So they don't really care if they have enough patrol craft. The tensions between Japan and Russia are about the Kurils. Japan would never be able to exploit them after taking them by destroying pacific fleet. Russia will still be able the destroy all civillian ship exploiting te zone out there.

    The problem for patrol aircraft is that they need some logistic, fuel and airports. In case of a war Russia will probably target fuel tanker all over Japan (and that oulld be a big issue for them). And second they could target their Airports with antirunaway missiles and then destroy P-8 on the ground which can be seen easily with satelites with some cruise missiles. Idem for AWACS.

    Most of the aircrafts of the coalition in 91 were at ranges of Scud D missiles. If you want to win against an opponent which thinks he could win wth an airforce and without true anti air systems to protect them, you just need to destroy it's airfields and Aircraft wih big salvos of missiles and massive land atttacks.
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  Benya on Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:30 pm

    Ilyushin Company Completes Modernization of Il-38N Maritime Patrol Aircraft for Russian Navy

    The Ilyushin Aircraft Works fulfilled the state contract to upgrade another batch of anti-submarine Il-38 aircraft of the Russian Navy to the level of Il-38N, the press service of the United Aircraft Corporation said.


    The seventh Il-38N MPA of the Russian Navy during flight tests in Zhukovsky. Picture by Alexander Mishin / russianplanes.net

    "The Ilyushin aircraft complex successfully completed the maintenance and modernization of two aircraft. In December 2016 they were handed over to the customer. Upon agreement with the command of the Russian Navy aviation they were named after seaborne aviation Commander Viktor Pavlovich Potapov and Navy pilot, Hero of the Soviet Union Mikhail Konstantinovich Verbitsky," it said.

    To promote integration of enterprises of the United Aircraft Corporation the modernization of some aircraft is carried out by the Myasishchev enterprise according to Il documentation.

    The new search and targeting system allows the modernized aircraft to successfully cope with patrolling missions, engage expanded range of armaments in the search and destruction of submarines, in radio-electronic monitoring of surface and air targets, mine planting, search and rescue at sea, as well as environmental monitoring of the water surface.

    Source: Arrow http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/january-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/4808-ilyushin-company-completes-modernization-of-il-38n-maritime-patrol-aircraft-for-russian-navy.html

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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:38 am

    The vibration looks a bit excessive on that new radome halfway down the fuselage Smile
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:40 am

    The orange and white one on top?

    That is actually a stealth radome and it has just been turned on and is in the process of disappearing from human sight...


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    Post  George1 on Thu Feb 02, 2017 3:12 am

    The modernized Ka-27M and a new modernized Il-38N in Yeisk









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    Post  Austin on Wed Feb 08, 2017 6:22 am

    Ilyushin Unveils Il-38 ASW Upgrade for Russian Navy
    by Vladimir Karnozov
    - February 7, 2017, 7:36 AM

    http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2017-02-07/ilyushin-unveils-il-38-asw-upgrade-russian-navy

    The Ilyushin design bureau and the Russian navy have revealed details of a mission systems upgrade and airframe refurbishment of the Il-38 antisubmarine warfare (ASW) aircraft. At a ceremony on January 31 at Ramenskoye airbase south of Moscow, Russian naval aviation commander Gen. Igor Kozhin said that “about 30” of the 54 Il-38s in the inventory will be modernized, in a program that will continue until 2025.

    Nikolai Stolyarov, director for special aviation programs with United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), said Ilyushin and its sister companies Myasischev and Aircraft Repair Plant No.20 have fulfilled “the second defense ministry order for Il-38Ns” (for five and three aircraft, respectively). He added that these companies continue lifetime-extension and modernization work on other military versions of the baseline Il-18 in service with Russia's Air and Space Force. “This platform has proved itself as very reliable, durable and robust airplane. We hope the Il-38N program would resume…after successful completion of special flight trials that will commence shortly.”

    The N version of the Il-38 features the Novella P-38 search and sighting system from St.-Petersburg-based Leninets, which replaces the outdated Berkut-38 on the original Il-38, 65 of which were delivered from 1967 to 1972. The system can track 32 targets simultaneously and has detection range against aircraft of 90 km (50 nm) and sea-going targets of 320 km (173 nm). The Indian Navy was the only export customer, and it still operates five Il-38SD with the Sea Dragon sensor suite, which is an exportable version of the Novella.

    With all-up weight of 68 tons, the Il-38 has a crew of seven and a range of 9,500 km (5,126nm). It is broadly similar to the P-3 Orion, which has filled a similar ASW role with the U.S. Navy. According to Ilyushin, the Il-38N is intended for long-endurance anti-submarine patrols over sea, with simultaneous search for aerial and sea-going targets. In addition, the aircraft can set mine fields and perform search-and-rescue and ecological monitoring duties. Its arsenal of torpedoes, mines, depth charges and buoys has been extended though addition of the PL250-120 Zagon anti-submarine guided bombs. Indian Il-38SDs can fire the Kh-35, whereas the Russian navy decided not to equip its aircraft with anti-ship missiles.

    The Il-38N that was accepted during the January 31 ceremony (RF-755345) was the eighth to be upgraded. It is the second Il-38N to be delivered to the Russian navy's 859 Center in Yeisk on the Black Sea coast for combat use, flight training and type conversion. Commander Gen. Alexei Serdyuk said his center will use these airplanes to train Pacific and Northern Fleet aircrews. “We will employ them on special trials and working out new tactics,” he added

    After the ceremony, Gen. Kozhin told journalists that the Il-38 and Tu-142 will continue the primary ASW types in the Russian inventory. “These are old platforms, but we expect a substantial increase in their capabilities through the renewal of their mission equipment. Other maritime nations will be surprised at the new capabilities these types will demonstrate after modernization,” he declared.

    Kozhin described the Il-38 as “the first indigenous ASW aircraft capable of long-duration flights over ocean, and it is still capable of search and annihilation of submarines.” He praised Ilyushin for producing “such a uniquely durable and reliable machine.” It has been operational with the navy for more than 50years with minimal attrition. “Despite its rather serious age, this aircraft is made very capable through yet another modernization program. The President and defense minister have set the goal to bring the share of new and modernized aircraft in the Russian naval aviation inventory up to 70 percent. We are on track with that.”
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    Post  George1 on Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:31 am

    The modernized Ka-27M

    Several photos without interest past the first production batch modernization at JSC "Kumertau Aviation Production Enterprise" (KumAPP) anti-submarine helicopters Ka-27M Offshore Russian Navy aviation. The picture shows the Ka-27M with yellow hull numbers "30", "31", "33" and "36" (as well as two previous repair of sea transport and combat helicopters Ka-29 with yellow hull numbers "90" and "94").

    Pictures allegedly made in December 2016. As we already reported, to February 1, 2017 modernized Ka-27M with the hull number "31 Yellow" has already arrived from Kumertau in the 859-th Center deployment and training of flight personnel of the Russian Navy Naval Aviation in Yeisk.

    Recall that the December 19, 2016 announced the transfer of the Navy Naval Aviation Russian first commercially upgraded to KumAPP Ka-27M, get a new hull number "14 Yellow" (registration number RF-19190).

    In early 2013 JSC "Kamov" and KumAPP concluded the Russian Ministry of Defence contract for the modernization of a production of the first eight drill Ka-27PL of embodiment Ka-27M. Initially commissioning of the first eight modernized Ka-27M assumed by 25 November 2014, then it was postponed to the end of 2015, but in the end, this batch of helicopters was commissioned in December 2016 (the first four Ka-27PL received on KumAPP for Continuous modernization in December 2014).

    KumAPP also has another contract of the Ministry of Defense of Russia (presumably 2014) for the modernization of 14 drill Ka-27PL of embodiment Ka-27M, of which 12 are the first machines were to be handed over in 2016, but in fact, apparently, the contract will be implemented only in 2017.

    According to the financial statements KumAPP of 2015, the value of the first contract KumAPP on repair and modernization of the eight helicopters Ka-27M is 2.785 billion. Rub., And a second contract for the modernization of 14 helicopters Ka-27M is 5.311 billion. Rub. Thus, the contract price of repair with the modernization of a machine is respectively 348 and 379 million. Rubles.

    The modernization program of the Ka-27M has a long history, and in the current version (the product "27D2") as the prototype uses two modernized Ka-27PL - tail number "0909 Black" (serial number 09-09, was converted in 1998 by theme year, then further upgraded as the first prototype of the Ka-27M in the mid-2000s), and the "blue 48" (serial number 012-01, converted in 2008). On completion of state tests of the Ka-27M it was reported in 2015. Ka-27M features developed by JSC "Corporation" Fazotron-NIIR "new" radar command and tactical system "consisting of new acoustic and magnetic systems, SIGINT systems, information systems and on-board radar," Spear-A "with an active phased array antenna bars.

    According to the made in early 2015 to First Deputy General Director and General Designer of JSC "Corporation" Fazotron-NIIR "Yuri Guskov, according to an embodiment of the Ka-27M is planned to modernize 46 Ka-27PL.


    Also in December 2016 the Russian Navy Naval Aviation were transferred to the first six KumAPP overhauled helicopters Ka-29, for the repair of a contract which was listed in the work plan for 2016 KumAPP. The contract value amounted to 435 million rubles. (Thus the price of the repair of the Ka-29 amounted to RUR 72.5 million). The news on the transfer of the party appeared refurbished helicopter Ka-29 with on-board "yellow 85" number).

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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  medo on Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:51 pm



    At 2:56 is more clearly seen new MFD in Su-33.
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  medo on Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:45 pm

    http://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5878e8849a794719284dc0f9

    Минобороны России решило оснастить в 2017–2018 годах все принадлежащие ему палубные истребители Су-33 системами СВП-24-33, которые повышают точность применения ракет, авиабомб и боеприпасов к авиационному стрелково-пушечному вооружению. Об этом агентству «Интерфакс» сообщил источник в оборонно-промышленном комплексе.


    Russian MoD decided, that RuNAVY will modernize all remaining Su-33 in their fleet with SVP-24-33 after their excellent results in Syria.

    Considering, that SVP display is also radar display, I wonder what changes radar get to be compatible with SVP-24-33

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