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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  GarryB on Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:21 am

    I suspect the Su-34 will replace the Su-24 on naval strike missions... if they are working on the NK-32 engine to make it a more powerful 5th gen type then the Tu-22M3 has a future if it can be modified to take the new more powerful engines with increases in performance.

    I suspect they might develop the Mig-29K as a fighter bomber and upgrade it with features of the Mig-35 while at the same time introducing the PAK FA as a naval fighter.

    The MiG will be cheaper and make sense where stealth is not critical, while 4-6 PAK FAs operating with 12-16 Mig-35s would be a very potent force... especially with AWACS support.

    The next generation carriers will likely have unmanned AWACS aircraft support and possibly a SKATE based strike component, but the focus for the Russian Navy will be for the carrier to provide an extra ring of protection that an air force provides... almost every ship and sub in the fleet will have plenty of cruise missiles available to overwhelm most targets.

    I suspect when 2020 comes around and PAK FA is in service both the Air Force and the Navy will be looking for a light stealthy aircraft to replace its non stealthy aircraft with and the light 5th gen MIG design will likely be their first choice.


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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  Notio on Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:51 am

    xeno wrote:Something must be wrong with that report. It is not a AESA, not at all.
    The interview article on Take-off magazine never mentions radar on ka-27M is AESA.
    Actually the radar sample (or mockup) has be shown in past exhibtions if I am not wrong.
    They(Take-off) do mention the radar on Ka-52K could be AESA, which I think the possibility will be 1%.
    Russians don't even make AESA for Vityaz, how can they invent some AESA for Ka-52K? Needless to say Ka-27M...(both of them are far far less important and much lower budget than Vityaz project)

    Phazotron-NIIR's General Designer Yuri Guskov said in an interview already in 2011 that Ka-27 will commence trials with an AESA. So you are probably absolutely wrong.

    http://www.ato.ru/content/aesa-radars-are-remarkably-reliable

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    Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  George1 on Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:22 pm

    The Russian Naval Aviation (Russian: Авиация Военно-морского флота России, tr. Aviatsiya Voenno-morskogo Flota Rossii) is the air arm of the Russian Navy, having superseded the Soviet Naval Aviation. The Russian Navy is divided into four fleets and one flotilla: Northern Fleet, Pacific Ocean Fleet, Baltic Fleet, Black Sea Fleet, and Caspian Flotilla.

    The air forces of the most important fleets, the Northern and Pacific fleets, operate long range Tu-142 anti-submarine warfare aircraft and Il-38 medium-range ASW aircraft. Formations operating supersonic Tu-22M3 bombers were transferred to the Russian Air Force's Long Range Aviation in 2011.[1] The relatively small fleets, the Baltic and Black Sea, currently have only tactical Su-24 bombers and ASW helicopters in service. The small Caspian Flotilla operates An-26 and Mi-8 transports, Ka-27PS rescue helicopters, as well as some Ka-29 and Mi-24 armed helicopters.

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    Post  runaway on Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:24 am

    As of 2012, the only fixed wing strike and fighter aircraft of Russian Naval Aviation are the Su-33 fighters and Su-25UTG attack aircraft of the 279th Regiment (forming the Admiral Kuznetsov's carrier air wing), plus the Su-24 bombers based in the Crimea. This sole bomber unit remained part of Naval Aviation as an exception to satisfy treaty requirements governing Russian forces deployments on Ukrainian territory (these must be part of the Black Sea Fleet).
    Buying brand new multirole Sukhoi Su-30SM for the Black Sea Fleet to replace Su-24 is in the planning stages.[8] Naval aviation also retains the anti-submarine aircraft of the forces (the Tu-142 and the Il-38) and the helicopter arm.

    MiG29k and Ka52 on Kutznetsov and Sevastopol will be added to the inventory. Iam surprised the SU34 is not intended to replacing SU24´s.




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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  George1 on Sat Jan 04, 2014 4:42 pm

    i wonder why russia hasnt started any program for the replacement of old Tu-142 and Il-38

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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:44 am

    Su-25UTG attack aircraft

    The carrier based Su-25UTG is not an attack aircraft... it is a training aircraft used to train pilots to land fixed wing aircraft on carriers.

    The strike capability of the Kuznetsov consists of 12 Granit missiles in vertical silos in the deck.

    The future strike capability of the Kuznetsov will include the Mig-29K2 and perhaps eventually the PAK FA-K naval variant unless they use the new light 5th gen fighter as a basis for a naval fighter instead.

    i wonder why russia hasnt started any program for the replacement of old Tu-142 and Il-38

    The Tu-142 will likely be replaced with a mix of HALE and PAK DA, while Il-38 will either be replaced by the A-42 or modification of the Tu-214 or similar aircraft... the former offers the ability to land on water, while the latter would be cheaper to buy and operate.


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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  George1 on Sun Jan 05, 2014 4:01 pm

    Russian Pilots to Train in Enhanced Il-38N Aircraft in 2014

    MOSCOW, January 5 (RIA Novosti) – Pilots from Russia’s Northern Fleet will undergo retraining in 2014 to master the modernized Ilyushin Il-38N anti-submarine aircraft, a military official told journalists Sunday.

    The first crew has already completed the theoretical part of the program and has begun the practical flight training, said Captain First Rank Vadim Serga, a representative of the Northern Fleet.

    “The plane has been enhanced with new-generation detachable hydroacoustic and magnetic beacons that surpass their Western counterparts in a range of ways,” he said.

    The Il-38N can act as a maritime patrol aircraft capable of performing electronic reconnaissance, Serga said. The new aircraft is equipped with the Novella system that allows it to detect targets from up to 320 kilometers away, including radar-equipped submarines, ships and aircraft.

    The Novella system comprises a high-resolution thermal imager and sensors for detecting magnetic anomalies, along with other sensors that allow it to locate submarines and surface targets, as well as to carry out scientific research, Serga said.

    The Novella is a variation of the Sea Dragon system that was installed on five Il-38s serving with the Indian navy during the last decade.

    The new Il-38N could be used to map magnetic and gravitational charts of the Arctic Ocean.

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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  runaway on Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:33 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    i wonder why russia hasnt started any program for the replacement of old Tu-142 and Il-38

    The Tu-142 will likely be replaced with a mix of HALE and PAK DA, while Il-38 will either be replaced by the A-42 or modification of the Tu-214 or similar aircraft... the former offers the ability to land on water, while the latter would be cheaper to buy and operate.

    Tu-142 its a good aircraft, just upgrading the electronics and it will service for another 20 years. By the way i also think a stealth recon plane based on future PAK DA is a good and probably choice.


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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  AlfaT8 on Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:12 am

    runaway wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    i wonder why russia hasnt started any program for the replacement of old Tu-142 and Il-38

    The Tu-142 will likely be replaced with a mix of HALE and PAK DA, while Il-38 will either be replaced by the A-42 or modification of the Tu-214 or similar aircraft... the former offers the ability to land on water, while the latter would be cheaper to buy and operate.

    Tu-142 its a good aircraft, just upgrading the electronics and it will service for another 20 years. By the way i also think a stealth recon plane based on future PAK DA is a good and probably choice.

    Russian Pilots to Train in Enhanced Il-38N Aircraft in 2014
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    Well i guess that's that.

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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  runaway on Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:19 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Well i guess that's that.

    Why? The Tu-142 is long range, Il-38 is short to medium.



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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:12 pm

    runaway wrote:

    Tu-142 its a good aircraft, just upgrading the electronics and it will service for another 20 years.

    It might, but you don't see anyone ordering production of 50 year old aircraft.  We need new designs for new lines.  We can't let America dominate the market.  That is why we lose so many Indian contracts.


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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  runaway on Tue Jan 07, 2014 3:52 pm

    Now thats a very different question. Tu-214R?

    "Tu-214R
    Special-mission versions of the Tu-214 commercial transport aircraft, developed under the codename ‘Project 141', to replace the ELINT plattform Il-20 Coot. The aircraft are configured to carry the MRC-411 multi-intelligence payload, to include electronic intelligence (ELINT) sensors, side-looking Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) and other Signals Intelligence (SIGINT) and Communications Intelligence (COMINT). In addition, the aircraft will carry multi-spectral electro-optical systems.[25] The aircraft has conducted test flights over the Sea of Japan but the programme was experiencing problems as of January 2013. (Jane's Defence Weekly 16 Jan 2013)
    The Tu-214R makes it public debut on August 2013 at Moscow Air Show MAKS [26]"


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    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Jan 07, 2014 4:20 pm

    runaway wrote:Now thats a very different question. Tu-214R?

    I don't like the idea of using turbofan aircraft for ASW. Props are more fuel efficient and cheaper to maintain. Speed is not really of essence for a patrol aircraft, loiter time is more important.


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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  runaway on Tue Jan 07, 2014 5:21 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    I don't like the idea of using turbofan aircraft for ASW.  Props are more fuel efficient and cheaper to maintain.  Speed is not really of essence for a patrol aircraft, loiter time is more important.  

    India has chosen P-8´s to replace their Tu-142, it has turbofan engines. P8 are intended to replace the old P3 Orion prop plane in US and other navies.
    With speed the plane is quicker on station and can cover a larger area in less time.

    Tu-142
    Crew: 11–13
    Length: 53.08 m (162 ft 5 in)
    Wingspan: 50.00 m (167 ft 8 in)
    Height: 12.12 m (39 ft 9 in)
    Wing area: 311.10 m² (3,348.76 ft²)
    Empty weight: 90,000 kg (198,000 lb)
    Max. takeoff weight: 185,000 kg (407,848 lb)
    Powerplant: 4 × Kuznetsov NK-12MP turboprops, 11,033 kW (14,795 shp) each
    Performance
    Maximum speed: 925 km/h (500 kt, 575 mph)
    Cruise speed: 711 km/h (384 kt, 442 mph)
    Combat radius: 6,500 km (3,454 nmi, 3,977 mi)
    Service ceiling: 12,000 m (39,000 ft)

    P8
    Crew: Flight: 2; Mission: 7
    Length: 129 ft 5 in (39.47 m)
    Wingspan: 123 ft 6 in (37.64 m)
    Height: 42 ft 1 in (12.83 m)
    Empty weight: 138,300 lb (62,730 kg)
    Max. takeoff weight: 189,200 lb (85,820 kg)
    Powerplant: 2 × CFM56-7B turbofan, 27,000 lbf (120 kN) each
    Performance
    Maximum speed: 490 knots (907 km/h)
    Cruise speed: 440 kn (815 km/h)
    Range: 1,200 nmi (2,222 km); 4 hours on station (for anti-submarine warfare mission)
    Service ceiling: 41,000 ft (12,496 m)



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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:59 am

    If PAK DA is a subsonic flying wing then a non stealthy version could be very useful for an MPA role with long range... a cheap non stealthy model or semi stealthy model would be useful for a range of roles including with in the wing radar antenna arrays it would be useful for AWACS roles, with weapon payloads replaced with extra fuel as a tanker aircraft... with an enormous radar and dozens or hundreds of high speed long range anti aircraft missiles it could be used as a Mig-31 replacement... loitering around likely flight paths of incoming threats, or cooperating with ground based SAM units to deal with cruise missile and bomber threats...

    Of course the Tu-142 is still an excellent aircraft and despite its propellers it is a very capable machine... at low and medium level it is actually a faster aircraft than a B-52.


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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Wed Jan 08, 2014 1:58 pm

    IMO it would be an extremely good idea to start developing a Ka-62 ASW variant also capable of carrying the X-35 and maybe even the Kalibr to replace the aging Ka-27 airframes, and also to have a variant similar in concept to the exceptional for its time UH-60 DAP but carrying much more advanced weapons like door mounted Yak-B guns and 2A42s as well, ataka and hermes missiles and rocket pods. It wont be as armored as the Ka-29 but would be a more powerful faster gunship.

    Why aren't there already such design proposals for this type of helo?

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    Post  TR1 on Wed Jan 08, 2014 7:09 pm

    Because the Ka-62 is not at all in the same weight class as the Ka-27.

    The attack Blackhawk has had really mixed reviews in service btw. From what I read in latin American service, it is not a particularly successful conversion.

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    Post  flamming_python on Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:36 am

    Yes and meanwhile the Ka-29 fulfills the job of an transport/attack helo better than the Mi-24.

    Any replacement should be done by the same design philosophy. These aircraft will not only be coming in hard and fast, but they will be LANDING straight afterwards, and will have a squad of troops on-board so any vulnerability could be catastrophic.

    The Ka-62 has a disadvantage in its tail rotor; take it out and you've taken out the aircraft + crew + squad.
    The Ka-29 has no such vulnerability and also has better armour in order to withstand enemy fire at close ranges and protect the men onboard.

    And that's not going into what TR1 mentioned - they aren't in the same weight class.

    The Ka-29 can take 16 men or 10 stretchers.
    It has a maximum load of 4 tons on its external sling (enabling some light vehicles to be carried).
    Overall it has up-to 6 tons of carrying capacity including almost 2 tons of weaponry alone over 4 pylons (not counting the 12.7mm Yak-B gatling gun mounted in the fuselage)

    The Ka-62 can take 14 men or 6 stretchers.
    It's external sling is only rated for 2.75 tons (limiting it to only the very lightest vehicles or cargos).
    And as its maximum carrying capacity is only 3 tons - if it uses its sling at max. capacity it's not going to have much power left for anything else. Even just carrying it's full compliment of 14 men & their gear; it's going to have substantially less spare capacity left for its weapons load-out than the Ka-29 would; and at 2 pylons compared to 4 - less space too.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:43 am

    I have heard there is an upgraded Ka-27M they are working on with an AESA radar fitted as standard.

    New lighter composite armour, new electronics and of course new engines.

    Earlier there was a report of a Ka-45 with a new shaped and new systems but have heard little about it since.


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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  Viktor on Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:55 am

    Concrat for new Su-30SM and YAK-130 for the Russian Navy was signed at the end of 2013.

    MO at the end of 2013, signed a contract for the supply of aircraft for the Navy

    [quote]The question whether it was true that in December 2013 a contract was signed for the supply of Russian naval aviation first batches of Su-30cm and trainer aircraft Yak-130 Borisov said: "The truth."

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    Post  medo on Thu Jan 16, 2014 12:39 pm

    Viktor wrote:Concrat for new Su-30SM and YAK-130 for the Russian Navy was signed at the end of 2013.

    MO at the end of 2013, signed a contract for the supply of aircraft for the Navy

    The question whether it was true that in December 2013 a contract was signed for the supply of Russian naval aviation first batches of Su-30cm and trainer aircraft Yak-130 Borisov said: "The truth."

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    Excellent news. Russian navy will need at least 80 Su-30SM, 6 for training and 1 squadron (12 planes) for every European fleet, 2 squadrons for Pacific fleet (1 for Vladivostok, 1 for Kamchatka). I hope air force will also buy additional Su-30SM to those 60 they have already ordered.

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    Post  George1 on Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:15 pm

    medo wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Concrat for new Su-30SM and YAK-130 for the Russian Navy was signed at the end of 2013.

    MO at the end of 2013, signed a contract for the supply of aircraft for the Navy

    The question whether it was true that in December 2013 a contract was signed for the supply of Russian naval aviation first batches of Su-30cm and trainer aircraft Yak-130 Borisov said: "The truth."

    Who dares to speculate about numbers? Very Happy 

    Excellent news. Russian navy will need at least 80 Su-30SM, 6 for training and 1 squadron (12 planes) for every European fleet, 2 squadrons for Pacific fleet (1 for Vladivostok, 1 for Kamchatka). I hope air force will also buy additional Su-30SM to those 60 they have already ordered.

    these aircrafts will be part of naval aviation ?

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    Post  medo on Thu Jan 16, 2014 4:22 pm

    George1 wrote:
    medo wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Concrat for new Su-30SM and YAK-130 for the Russian Navy was signed at the end of 2013.

    MO at the end of 2013, signed a contract for the supply of aircraft for the Navy

    The question whether it was true that in December 2013 a contract was signed for the supply of Russian naval aviation first batches of Su-30cm and trainer aircraft Yak-130 Borisov said: "The truth."

    Who dares to speculate about numbers? Very Happy 

    Excellent news. Russian navy will need at least 80 Su-30SM, 6 for training and 1 squadron (12 planes) for every European fleet, 2 squadrons for Pacific fleet (1 for Vladivostok, 1 for Kamchatka). I hope air force will also buy additional Su-30SM to those 60 they have already ordered.

    these aircrafts will be part of naval aviation ?

    Yes, they will replace old Su-24 in naval aviation. They should not be mixed with those for air force.

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    Post  medo on Thu Jan 16, 2014 4:30 pm

    http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/46050/

    Russian Pacific fleet receive 6 Forpost (Searcher 2) UAVs in Kamchatka air base.

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    Post  Viktor on Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:31 pm

    Interesting article on bmpd wich is in line with medo thoughts

    Purchase of Su-30cm and Yak-130 aircraft for the Russian Navy Marine and problems with the Su-35S

    According to bmpd blog Russian MoD contracted 5 Su-30SM and 5 YAK-130 for Russian Navy by the end of 2013. But this is the sentence that caught my eye.

    According bmpd, was contracted five Su-30cm and five Yak-130, and further possible purchase for Marine aviation several dozen Su-30cm and a certain amount of the Yak-130

    and this is the part in line what medo was saying. Several dozen indicate at least 60 Su-30SM and possibly even more Su-30SM on order for RuAN and nice amount of YAK-130. All in all we

    might be seeing another 100+ fighter on order.  cheers 

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