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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:44 am

    Interesting news regarding the Ka-27M upgrade.

    Ka-27M has passed the first round of tests

    SAINT-PETERSBURG, July 6. The first stage of state joint flight tests of the modernized Ka-27M equipped with on-board radar with an active phased array antenna FH-A, a development of "Fazotron-NIIR" has been completed.


    "Installing the helicopter radar with an active phased array is the basis of the modernization of the helicopter," - told "Interfax" a source in the military-industrial complex. He said that the radar FH-A is part of the command and tactical radar system (RKTS).

    RKTS FH-A provides control of the territory in a circular field of view, or in a given sector, searching and detection of surface, air and ground targets, moving target, detecting and mapping the coastline of the land surface with high resolution, discrete escort coordinate ground and sea targets with preservation survey area; detection and coordinate hazardous meteorological formations; correction navigation devices.

    "This system will bring together many other systems on board the helicopter: acoustic, magnetometric systems, and signals intelligence, including radar. In this case, all the information from other systems is displayed on the LED instrumentation, "- said the source.

    Radar FH-A is located under the fuselage of the helicopter Ka-27M. It provides an overview of the circular surface and airspace.

    In the near future, following the first stage of state joint tests (ICG) Ka-27M will be issued a preliminary conclusion of the customer - Russian Navy aviation. Complete the state joint tests of the Ka-27M is scheduled for the end of the year, continuous upgrading of front Ka-27 will begin in 2014 in the framework of the state defense order.

    We note, in St. Petersburg continues 6th International Maritime Defence Show

    http://news.mail.ru/politics/13794336/
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:27 pm

    So the first Russian AESA equipped aircraft could be a helo...


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    Post  xeno on Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:54 pm

    Something must be wrong with that report. It is not a AESA, not at all.
    The interview article on Take-off magazine never mentions radar on ka-27M is AESA.
    Actually the radar sample (or mockup) has be shown in past exhibtions if I am not wrong.
    They(Take-off) do mention the radar on Ka-52K could be AESA, which I think the possibility will be 1%.
    Russians don't even make AESA for Vityaz, how can they invent some AESA for Ka-52K? Needless to say Ka-27M...(both of them are far far less important and much lower budget than Vityaz project)
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:36 pm

    I have read several other reports of the same news that don't mention AFAR, it is just misreported.


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    Post  TR1 on Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:36 pm

    xeno wrote:Something must be wrong with that report. It is not a AESA, not at all.
    The interview article on Take-off magazine never mentions radar on ka-27M is AESA.
    Actually the radar sample (or mockup) has be shown in past exhibtions if I am not wrong.
    They(Take-off) do mention the radar on Ka-52K could be AESA, which I think the possibility will be 1%.
    Russians don't even make AESA for Vityaz, how can they invent some AESA for Ka-52K? Needless to say Ka-27M...(both of them are far far less important and much lower budget than Vityaz project)

    Not that I agree that the Kamov has an AESA, but that logic is terrible.

    The Zhuk-AE has gotten very little federal funding compared to AD systems, and yet has been flying with an AESA for years.

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    Post  xeno on Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:50 pm

    Such a case is really rare, actually it is the only one.
    And it is rumoured that 37 mig-35 MOD ordered will be equiped with Zhuk-M, which is understandable and virtually turns Mig-35 into Mig-29M2(the most important difference between those two is Radar).
    Zhuk-A does need some very good luck to be chosen by Mod for those migs as these days Russian Mod seems to hate AESA so much and be obsessed to PESA or Mechanic so much.
    (OK, real reason is, I believe, Russia has problem to produce T/R units in large scale, although they can design good AESA and manufacture T/R units in small amount)
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    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:49 am

    1. It could be a journalistic mistake but the report is all over the Ru Net and so far I haven't seen any denials or corrections

    2. The name of the radar is given as well as the manufacturer. It could be a private development of Fazotron for a counter offer to the MOD

    We'll see what info comes out of this in the next few days.

    Actually the radar sample (or mockup) has be shown in past exhibtions if I am not wrong

    They tested a Ka-27 with the Kopyo radar but that was back in 2004/05
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:25 am

    (OK, real reason is, I believe, Russia has problem to produce T/R units in large scale, although they can design good AESA and manufacture T/R units in small amount)

    Or more realistically that the AESA radars are good but not amazing compared with the much much cheaper PESA. Over time AESA will get cheaper so why waste lots of money now and tie up AESA module production at a time when systems like the radar for the S-400 which will need thousands and thousands of modules per radar each will likely be being worked on. It makes perfect sense to not waste too much money now on AESA radars when in 5 years time they will likely be in massive production and be much much cheaper... unless WWIII happens in the next 5 years there wont be that much of a difference to ordinary units while the money saved can be spent on other things like new missiles etc.

    Keep in mind at a time when the US is spending more on "defence" than any other group of countries they still did not deploy the radar on every single AH-64D to reduce costs and it wasn't even an AESA.

    If we were talking about going from an old cassegrain antenna straight to AESA then the performance issues make a good case to go all AESA, but PESA is very good too and much much cheaper.


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    A Su-25 has taken off the Russian NITKA for the first time!

    Post  TR1 on Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:48 pm

    http://lenta.ru/news/2013/07/16/nitka/

    A Su-25 has taken off the Russian NITKA for the first time!
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    Future russian naval aviation.

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Fri Aug 02, 2013 11:27 am

    How will the future russian naval aviation look like?

    Will the su-35 replace the su-33 and will the mig-35 replace the mig-29?

    And will the t-50 operate from the kuznetsov?
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    Post  TR1 on Fri Aug 02, 2013 8:43 pm

    Future is the MiG-29K.
    Beyond that there are no firm plans as of now.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Aug 03, 2013 10:23 am

    The Mig-29K shares an airframe with the Mig-35 so it would not be that hard to add Mig-35 features during its lifespan as upgrades.

    The Mig-29K is in production for India so the Russian Navy has ordered some to fly from the Kuznetsov.

    There is a lot of talk and most likely a plan to adapt the PAK FA to carrier operations too so likely after 2018 they will start work on that, and perhaps also a light 5th gen fighter that also could be adapted for carrier use.

    What is probably not likely is a new VSTOL jet for the foreseeable future.


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    Post  Flyingdutchman on Sat Aug 03, 2013 12:37 pm

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    Post  medo on Sat Aug 03, 2013 7:00 pm

    Will Russian navy buy only 24 Mig-29K/KUB for Kuznetsov or they will buy more of them for other fleets to replace aging Su-24 squadrons? From ground airfields they could do maritime patrols as well as protection of naval bases.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:21 am

    I suspect the Su-34 will replace the Su-24 on naval strike missions... if they are working on the NK-32 engine to make it a more powerful 5th gen type then the Tu-22M3 has a future if it can be modified to take the new more powerful engines with increases in performance.

    I suspect they might develop the Mig-29K as a fighter bomber and upgrade it with features of the Mig-35 while at the same time introducing the PAK FA as a naval fighter.

    The MiG will be cheaper and make sense where stealth is not critical, while 4-6 PAK FAs operating with 12-16 Mig-35s would be a very potent force... especially with AWACS support.

    The next generation carriers will likely have unmanned AWACS aircraft support and possibly a SKATE based strike component, but the focus for the Russian Navy will be for the carrier to provide an extra ring of protection that an air force provides... almost every ship and sub in the fleet will have plenty of cruise missiles available to overwhelm most targets.

    I suspect when 2020 comes around and PAK FA is in service both the Air Force and the Navy will be looking for a light stealthy aircraft to replace its non stealthy aircraft with and the light 5th gen MIG design will likely be their first choice.


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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  Austin on Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:34 am

    Ministry of Defence in 2014 for the first time is going to order a 32 carrier-based helicopter aircraft factory at the seaside "Progress"
    http://www.itar-tass.com/c134/905977.html

    VLADIVOSTOK, October 9. / ITAR-TASS /. The Ministry of Defence in 2014 for the first time is going to order the aircraft plant "Progress" 32 carrier-based helicopter. This was announced today, Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov, during his visit to the plant in Primorye.

    "These helicopters in 2014 must pass the final tests. If all goes well, we are ready to order," - said Borisov. According to him, the Ministry of Defense estimates that in 2013, the plant "Progress" will perform a scheduled part of the state order, and in 2020 he will be able to build 143 helicopters. "The work will be hard, because the order is really great. But we calculate that everything will be done to the highest standards and on time" - said the deputy minister.

    During the inspection of the plant Borisov said that he liked the look of the enterprise, as well as the rate of output. "Plant" Progress "- one of the fastest growing military enterprises", - said the deputy minister of defense.

    He arrived in Primorye today to check the progress of the plants contracts on state defense orders in 2013, a readiness for contracting in 2014, as well as the evaluation of the ability of enterprises affected by the floods.

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    Post  Austin on Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:35 am

    So by 2020 they are talking about 143 Helicopters of Ka-27M class or multiple types ? Which type does Progress plant build ?

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    Post  flamming_python on Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:26 am

    Austin wrote:So by 2020 they are talking about 143 Helicopters of Ka-27M class or multiple types ? Which type does Progress plant build ?

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    I looked it up - seems like it is the KumAPP plant in Bashkiriya that's involved in the production of the Ka-27/29/31 series.

    Progress on the other hand handles the





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    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:46 am

    Austin wrote:So by 2020 they are talking about 143 Helicopters of Ka-27M class or multiple types ? Which type does Progress plant build ?

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    No, they are not talking about the Ka-27 series.
    This is about the naval version of the Ka-52 that will go on Mistrals.
    So, there will be 32 Naval Ka-52 helicopters to be built at the Progress factory in Arseneev (Far East).
    The number 143 applies to the total of Ka-52 helicopters (Air force and Navy) to be assembled in that same factory.
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    Ministry of Defence in 2014 for the first time is going to order a 32 carrier-based helicopter aircraft factory at the seaside "Progress"

    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 09, 2013 11:53 am

    I suspect the 32 helos they are talking about ordering in 2014 will likely include a mix of Ka-52, Ka-226T and Ka-29 because the Mistral class vessels will be entering service from 2014 and they can carry 16 helos each so 32 sounds like they want to order two ship loads of helos next year, but the other orders will no doubt include Ka-226T and Ka-62 helos for destroyers and other vessels as well as extra helos for the Mistrals... plus of course new helos for the Kuznetsov for when she is out of refit... which will likely be in 2020 or so.

    Each Kirov class vessel can carry 3 x 12 ton helos so smaller lighter models could be carried in larger numbers if required. Certainly a significant upgrade of the Ka-27 would be in order with all new electronics and sensors and equipment.


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    Post  George1 on Thu Nov 21, 2013 7:54 am

    Russia's Baltic Fleet to Receive New Transport Plane

    MOSCOW, November 20 (RIA Novosti) – A new military transport plane will be put in service with Russia’s Baltic Fleet by the end of this year, a spokesman for the Western Military District said Wednesday.

    The An-140-100 plane is a lightweight turboprop cargo aircraft designed by Ukraine’s Antonov bureau and manufactured under license in Russia by the Aviacor aviation plant in the Volga region.

    “A group of naval aviation officers from the Baltic Fleet has departed to the Aviacor plant in Samara to inspect and accept the new An-140 military transport plane,” Capt. 2nd Rank Vladimir Matveyev said.

    The Russian Defense Ministry has said a total of eight An-140 planes will be put in service with all four Russian fleets. The navy received the first An-140 plane in April.

    The plane, developed as a replacement for the outdated An-24 and An-26 cargo aircraft, can carry up to 6 metric tons of cargo for a range of over 2,000 kilometers, and can be used for patrol, military transport and spec-ops missions.

    The Russian military has outlined plans to continue buying the An-140s to meet the pressing need for lightweight tactical cargo planes.

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    Post  Notio on Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:51 am

    xeno wrote:Something must be wrong with that report. It is not a AESA, not at all.
    The interview article on Take-off magazine never mentions radar on ka-27M is AESA.
    Actually the radar sample (or mockup) has be shown in past exhibtions if I am not wrong.
    They(Take-off) do mention the radar on Ka-52K could be AESA, which I think the possibility will be 1%.
    Russians don't even make AESA for Vityaz, how can they invent some AESA for Ka-52K? Needless to say Ka-27M...(both of them are far far less important and much lower budget than Vityaz project)

    Phazotron-NIIR's General Designer Yuri Guskov said in an interview already in 2011 that Ka-27 will commence trials with an AESA. So you are probably absolutely wrong.

    http://www.ato.ru/content/aesa-radars-are-remarkably-reliable
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  flamming_python on Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:59 am

    mack8 wrote:VMF receives one Il-38N:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OzD9EwoLWw#t=10

    A sidenote: didn't really knew where to put this, i thought initially to put it in the VVS section but of course it's naval themed. However most of the discussions here center around ships so it's easy imo to "loose" aviation developments. If i may propose something, how about having  a topic in the VVS section called "Russian Naval Aviation news" or something like that, just like there is a topic for civil aviation? This way everything that flies is nicely covered in one dedicated section, and it would be easier to keep up to date with the developments. Thank you.

    Russian Naval Aviation is part of the Fleet, so better to create such a topic here.
    Along with maybe 'Naval Infantry/Marines news'.
    Another topic for the coastal defense forces, auxillary units, radio bases and so on of the Fleet would be welcome too.
    And keep this topic for ships and subs.

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    VMF receives one Il-38N:

    Post  George1 on Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:22 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    mack8 wrote:VMF receives one Il-38N:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OzD9EwoLWw#t=10

    A sidenote: didn't really knew where to put this, i thought initially to put it in the VVS section but of course it's naval themed. However most of the discussions here center around ships so it's easy imo to "loose" aviation developments. If i may propose something, how about having  a topic in the VVS section called "Russian Naval Aviation news" or something like that, just like there is a topic for civil aviation? This way everything that flies is nicely covered in one dedicated section, and it would be easier to keep up to date with the developments. Thank you.

    Russian Naval Aviation is part of the Fleet, so better to create such a topic here.
    Along with maybe 'Naval Infantry/Marines news'.
    Another topic for the coastal defense forces, auxillary units, radio bases and so on of the Fleet would be welcome too.
    And keep this topic for ships and subs.

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    Post  runaway on Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:24 am

    As of 2012, the only fixed wing strike and fighter aircraft of Russian Naval Aviation are the Su-33 fighters and Su-25UTG attack aircraft of the 279th Regiment (forming the Admiral Kuznetsov's carrier air wing), plus the Su-24 bombers based in the Crimea. This sole bomber unit remained part of Naval Aviation as an exception to satisfy treaty requirements governing Russian forces deployments on Ukrainian territory (these must be part of the Black Sea Fleet).
    Buying brand new multirole Sukhoi Su-30SM for the Black Sea Fleet to replace Su-24 is in the planning stages.[8] Naval aviation also retains the anti-submarine aircraft of the forces (the Tu-142 and the Il-38) and the helicopter arm.

    MiG29k and Ka52 on Kutznetsov and Sevastopol will be added to the inventory. Iam surprised the SU34 is not intended to replacing SU24´s.




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