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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  GarryB on 02/09/16, 02:04 pm

    Actually the Su-33s have wings that double fold so when folded they are longer than the MiGs but not wider... you would not get 2 MiGs in the space of one flanker.

    Importantly previously the K had two types of aircraft anyway... Su-25s and Su-33s, where Su-25s were trainers only and had no combat role.

    With the MiG-29 coming in single and two seat versions it could perform the role of training and combat roles, it the K will still have two fixed wing types but rather better offensive and defensive capability.


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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  medo on 02/09/16, 08:22 pm

    George1 wrote:
    medo wrote:http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2097090.html

    In Gromov center Russia test modernized Su-33, which receive Gefest SVP-24 complex. There are no other informations about modernization of other equipment. To effectivelly work with SVP-24, Su-33 for sure receive satellite navigation and new data link to operate inside network.

    But to receive real multirole fighter, they should modernize Su-33 radar to N001VEP with extended range and modes to operate against ground and sea targets.

    So Su-33s will become multi-role and will not be withdrawn

    Su-33 were produced in the nineties, so are between the youngest Flankers in arsenal and also they don't have many flight hours as Kuznetsev were rarely sailing and not all fighters are on the carrier. It was said a year ago, that a squadron of Su-33 Will be ground based to provide protection over Arctic region and the rest could still serve on the carrier. Placing N001VEP radar in Su-33 is the best solution for modernization as the radar is more or less the same as old one, but provide better air to air capabilities and totaly new anti-ship capabilities with combination with all Russian anti-ship missiles and anti ground modes including with ground mapping.

    Su-33 have longer range than MiG-29K/KUB and its combat radius is more than 1000 km and distance between Murmansk and Zemlya Aleksandra island is also more than 1000 km and Su-33 is better suited to patrol over the sea in this region and close the door to Russian Arctic region.
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  medo on 02/09/16, 11:27 pm



    For now we know, that two borts b/n 88 and 71 were modernized. The Picture of pilot in Su-33 b/n 79 with a display on his knee is not from modernized Su-33. We still do not know, what changes will this SVP-24 modernization bring inside Su-33 cockpit. I hope they will replace old radar screen with new LCD MFD or even better to made its cockpit similar to Su-27SM.
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  medo on 17/09/16, 08:38 pm





    Two more Su-33 in Zhukovsky, b/n 85 and b/n 78.

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    Post  Austin on 20/09/16, 01:07 pm

    "Wolf pack" against the US and NATO?
    Naval Fleet of Russia in Western estimates experts

    http://nationaldefense.ru/includes/periodics/maintheme/2016/0719/132618919/detail.shtml
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  medo on 29/09/16, 09:03 pm



    Modernized Su-33 b/n 78, behind the cockpit is clearly seen a new white satellite navigation antenna.
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  GarryB on 30/09/16, 02:00 pm

    And jammer pods on the wing tips... this is probably a pilot training to operate near Syria over the next few months.

    I wonder if we should pass on to a certain website that they may have one trained pilot on board the Kuznetsov... Razz

    Beautiful aircraft...


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    Post  medo on 30/09/16, 11:40 pm

    Most probably both, testing and pilot training in Zhukovsky. No doubt, Pastel ELINT complex, chaff and flare launchers and ECM pods will give Su-33 good self protection over Syria. But considering, that their primary mission beyond Syria will be over the sea patroling between Murmansk and Franz Joseph islands in Arctic, it will be very important to equip them with N001VEP radar, which have air to sea modes and could detect frigates at the range of 350 km and could use anti-ship missiles. MiG-31BM is interceptor only.
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  franco on 02/10/16, 03:39 pm

    9th Su-30SM to Crimea with another scheduled by years end.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2160364.html
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    Post  medo on 03/10/16, 11:16 pm

    http://www.aex.ru/news/2016/10/3/160470/

    3 октября 2016 г., AEX.RU – Объединенная двигателестроительная корпорация (ОДК, входит в Госкорпорацию Ростех) в обеспечение потребностей государственного заказчика возобновляет производство турбореактивных двигателей АЛ-31Ф серии 3 для палубных истребителей Су-33. Двигатели будут выпускаться в ПАО «Уфимское моторостроительное производственное объединение» (входит в ОДК), сообщает пресс-служба корпорации.

    Двигатели АЛ-31Ф серии 3 разрабатывались и производились специально для Су-33. С учетом того эволюционного развития, которое прошло семейство двигателей АЛ-31Ф с момента выпуска последних двигателей серии 3, новые двигатели для морских тяжелых истребителей будут выпускаться с внедрением доработок, которые уже применены на двигателях семейства АЛ-31Ф современного серийного облика.

    ODK will in its factory in Ufa restart a production of new engones AL-31F series 3 specially for Su-33 fighters and new engines Will receive same modifications as the newest series of AL-31F engines, what specially mean longer life time.

    As I doubt Russia will restart Su-33 production, I more think existing Su-33 will go through deeper modernization to serve for few more decades with new engines.
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  GarryB on 04/10/16, 07:28 am

    I suspect they wont get deep modernisations...

    They are CAP aircraft to defend the carrier and the ships operating with it.

    I would say any basic strike capacity will be largely limited to the Su-33 with dumb bombs using their computerised bombing system but the primary strike fighter will be the MiG-33s.

    The other strike capability of the fleet will come from surface and sub launched cruise missiles.

    With landing forces I suspect the Ka-52K will do the brunt of CAS.


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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  medo on 04/10/16, 10:12 pm

    I don't see a sense to re-engine Su-33 fighters with new engines with longer service life, if they will not go into deeper modernization. Considering that its main mission will be over the sea patroling in Arctic region from Severomorsk ground base, that its main armament will be anti-ship missiles and radar capable to search for ships and guide anti-ship missiles on them. The only N001 type of radar with air to sea capabilities is N001VEP and considering that four users of Su-30MK2 equipped with N001VEP radar (Chinese NAVY, Vietnam, Indonesia and Venezuela) are using their Su-30MK2 for over the sea patrolings and that all anti-ship missiles Kh-31A, Kh-35 and Kh-59MK are integrated with N001VEP, this radar is the best option for Su-33 modernization. It have longer range than old N001 radar, it is multirole with air to air, air to ground and air to sea modes and could attack enemy ships with anti-ship missiles at 300 km distance.
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  GarryB on 05/10/16, 12:28 pm

    New engines offer more power and better fuel economy... both of which are useful for an interceptor.

    It would also offer better commonality with new land based aircraft if it is the same engine type.

    The anti ship role is more likely to be taken by the MiG-29Ks rather than the Su-33s.


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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  kopyo-21 on 03/11/16, 06:16 pm

    medo wrote:

    For now we know, that two borts b/n 88 and 71 were modernized. The Picture of pilot in Su-33 b/n 79 with a display on his knee is not from modernized Su-33. We still do not know, what changes will this SVP-24 modernization bring inside Su-33 cockpit. I hope they will replace old radar screen with new LCD MFD or even better to made its cockpit similar to Su-27SM.

    That is ЕКП-НТ tablet that belongs to A-737 GPS/Glonass navigator that Su-33s got in small upgrade by early of 2000s. Its function is to show the sattellite moving map. This one looks very similar to the one in between of OR4-TM TV LED and VM-10 LCD in the photo below.

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    Post  medo on 18/11/16, 04:04 am

    Now, we have some indications, that modernized Su-33 got a new display instead of old radar screen, but for now we do not know, how this new MFD looks like.

    Before:


    After modernization:


    Maybe it is like this one in Su-30KN:

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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  medo on 18/11/16, 01:42 pm

    Regarding quick Su-33 upgrade with Gefest, there are few thinks which bother me. Gefest didn't promote any Flanker upgrade and they didn't upgrade any Flanker before or test their equipment with Flanker as they did with other jets like Su-24, Tu-22 and Su-25. Than suddenly they made quick upgrade of 8 Su-33 in Zhukovsky with very little time to test equipment and to train pilots to use it in combat missions. I would dare to say, that they upgrade Su-33 with components of upgrade program, which is well tested and operational and there is only one beside Su-27SM program in KNAAPO. It is Su-30KN program from Irkut of cheap multirole Su-30 fighter. It is operational program and RuAF have 4 Su-30KN in Lipetsk training center. Also Irkut deliver this upgrade program to Belarussian Aviation repair plant in Baranovitchi, where they modernize ex-Indian Su-30K for Angola as well as they modernize their own and Kazakhstan's Su-27 fighters. In this upgrade old radar screen is replaced by 1 MFD and looks like Su-33 similarly got 1 MFD replacing old radar screen. This program also upgrade radar with better capabilities and with additional air to ground and air to sea modes without replacing the whole radar.

    It is interesting, that they were hiding this upgraded part of cockpit all the time in Zhukovsky and even now they didn't yet show this MFD. This upgrade program would make sense for Su-33 as pilots could train well before planes were modernized by Su-30KN fighters in Lipetsk, it is oprational, so no loose of time to integrate new equipment in the jet, so no problem for pilots to go with newly upgraded Su-33 in two months in combat missions in Syria. After all, this program give Su-33 fire control cpmplex the same capabilities to bomb with unguided bombs as Gefest upgrades do. Maybe Gefest upgrade was just a fog as components could come from Belarus as I doubt Irkut produce them.

    Web site of Belarussian Su-27 modernization.

    http://www.558arp.by/en/products-and-services-eng/services-eng/modernization-aviation-materiel-eng/su-27-30-aircraft-eng
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    Post  franco on 23/11/16, 02:47 am

    MOSCOW, November 22 - RIA Novosti. Naval aviation Naval Fleet of Russia will receive six Su-30sm before the end of the year, the two anti-IL-38, as well as 10 helicopters of various modifications, said Tuesday the commander of the Russian Navy Admiral Vladimir Korolev.

    In St. Petersburg on Tuesday held an enlarged meeting of the Military Council of the Navy, where the results of combat training and preparation of the Russian Navy were announced in 2016. The meeting, which was chaired by the Commander, attended by the commanders of the Northern, Pacific, Black Sea, the Baltic Fleet and the Caspian Flotilla. In the work of the Military Council was also attended by Commander of the Western Military District Colonel-General Andrei Kartapolov.

    "In the course of equipping naval aviation in its composition has received a considerable amount of modern equipment and weapons before the year six Su-30sm arrive at the naval aviation weapons, two IL-38 as well as 10 helicopters of various modifications.", - Said the Commander.

    In total, according to the contract "Aviation Complex. Ilyushin" must pass the Defense Ministry 20 modernized anti-aircraft Il-38N to 2020.

    Production of the Su-30sm conducted at the Irkutsk aircraft plant. In accordance with the contract signed with the Ministry of Defense, until 2018 VCS RF to be transmitted 88 fighter and the Navy Naval Aviation - 28.

    Su-30sm is a super-maneuverable multi-role fighters for gaining dominance in the air generation "4 ++". He combined the functions and fighter and attack aircraft and bombers, equipped with radar with a phased antenna array, engines with thrust vector control and canards.
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  franco on 29/11/16, 11:46 pm

    Navy to receive first modernized Ka-27M's in December;
    https://en.ria.ru/military/201611291047980098-aviation-russia-helicopter/
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  George1 on 30/11/16, 03:39 am

    Yes 8 says here

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/201611291047980098-aviation-russia-helicopter/


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    Any ideas why the Su-33s r currently being flown not from Adm.K?

    Post  Tsavo Lion on 01/12/16, 11:15 pm

    Any ideas why the Su-33s r currently being flown not from Adm.K?
    http://www.janes.com/article/65775/russian-carrier-jets-flying-from-syria-not-kuznetsov

    Pl. someone explain how to make a hyperlink here.
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    Post  Militarov on 01/12/16, 11:30 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Any ideas why the Su-33s r currently being flown not from Adm.K?
    http://www.janes.com/article/65775/russian-carrier-jets-flying-from-syria-not-kuznetsov

    Pl. someone explain how to make a hyperlink here.

    Arresting gear on Kuz is atm not operational after the incident with MiG-29K. So aircraft cant land back on it after they take off.
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  Tsavo Lion on 02/12/16, 01:17 am

    If it takes them that long to fix it, that's bad news! I wonder if they could rig a barricade in time to catch that doomed MiG-29, & if they r going to salvage it.
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    Post  Militarov on 02/12/16, 01:35 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:If it takes them that long to fix it, that's bad news! I wonder if they could rig a barricade in time to catch that doomed MiG-29, & if they r going to salvage it.

    Well, seems something that requires spares or more serious maintenance broke, we do not know what still.

    They do not have barricades on Kuz from what i am aware.

    Salvage? Doubtful, not worth it. Maybe they place charge on it tho to destroy it.
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    Post  Giulio on 02/12/16, 02:43 am

    It is for emergency landings.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on 02/12/16, 04:01 am

    The Liaoning has a barricade & it was tested with J-15, but it's unbelievable that Adm. K, her sister ship, doesn't have 1!
    If the arresting gear is broken, it would be such a recovery even if the jet itself has no problems. I've read that it's possible that not all pilots had enough training prior to their 1st deployment with MiG-29K- NITKA in Crimea was still being rebuilt/upgraded & the 1 in Yeisk was completed only about a year ago. http://www.janes.com/article/34228/russian-naval-pilot-training-facility-nears-completion
    http://www.vz.ru/politics/2016/12/5/666349.print.html
    Perhaps the pilot didn't have the option to cut 1 engine off to save fuel & buy time to recover with 1 remaining, either due to lack of training or plane's/carrier operational limitations at the time?
    http://gordonua.com/publications/admiral-kuznecov-zachem-rossiya-ispolzuet-avianosec-v-sirii-162053.html


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