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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  Cyberspec on Tue May 19, 2015 9:08 am

    The modernized Ka-27M, equipped with onboard radar AFAR "Kopyo-A" has successfully passed state tests
    http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/62512/

    They're planning to upgrade 8 helicopters this year
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  Cyberspec on Wed May 20, 2015 11:30 am

    A few more details...

    Upgraded ASW helicopter Ka-27M features a new search-targeting system "Kasatka-VB" and new radar created by "Fazotron-NIIR". The new radar, called "Kopio-A", allows circular radar overview with a radius of 250 km from the simultaneous tracking of up to 50 targets and determining their exact coordinates.

    "Kasatka" elements:

    -Optoelectronic Systems with:Thermal channel, TV channel, Laser Rangefinder
    -ELINT system
    -Dipping sonar
    -magnetometer
    -other minor sub systems

    http://www.radar-mms.com/Product.aspx?product_11_1

    Ros-VM Dipping Sonar

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    Mi-14 nuke-capable antisubmarine copter comeback slated

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon May 25, 2015 3:42 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Kyo wrote:Mi-14 nuke-capable antisubmarine copter comeback slated

    The Mi-14 was so good at submarine hunting that in 1996, under tremendous pressure from Washington, all Russian antisubmarine version Mi-14 helicopters were decommissioned.

    It goes to show how much of a puppet Boris Yeltsin was...

    is Mi-14 going to be only land based? or also as ASW deck based?
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  franco on Tue May 26, 2015 10:51 pm

    Second batch of Il-38N ordered.
    https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fria.ru%2Fdefense_safety%2F&sandbox=1
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  Cyberspec on Wed May 27, 2015 1:08 am

    franco wrote:Second batch of Il-38N ordered.
    https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fria.ru%2Fdefense_safety%2F&sandbox=1

    Good....because the ASW aircraft fleet is in urgent need of an upgrade and probably expansion in numbers. I was reading recently that at it's peak, the USSR had about 100 operational ASW aircraft, while today that number is around 30.

    The 'Kasatka' ASW system which is being installed on the Ka-27M can be installed on a variety of platforms




    There's also the Be-300MP project for an ASW and Maritime patrol version of the Be-200

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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat May 30, 2015 6:37 pm

    Aviation of the Black Sea Fleet forced the U.S. destroyers to retreat to the Eastern part of the Black sea


    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150530/1067315178.html

    SEVASTOPOL, may 30 — RIA Novosti. The su-24 aircraft of the black sea fleet of the Russian Federation forced the destroyer "Ross" U.S. Navy to move into international waters in the Eastern part of the Black sea, as the ship's crew behaved provocative, told RIA Novosti source in law enforcement bodies of Crimea.
    Earlier it was reported that the USS "Ross" entered the Black sea in the framework of the implementation of the tasks.
    Destroyer Ross of the U.S. Navy. Archive photo
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    The USS "Ross" entered the Black sea
    According to the interlocutor of the Agency, after leaving the Romanian port of Constanta American ship went in the direction of the territorial waters of Russia. The ship went along the edge of the territorial waters of the Russian Federation, his actions were provocative and aggressive.
    "The crew behaved in a provocative and aggressive, which caused concern to the operators of the tracking stations and the crews of the ships of the black sea fleet, which has carried out its tasks in the Black sea. Raised on command su-24 (su-24MR — ed.) has demonstrated to the American crew readiness to strictly prevent trespassing and to defend the interests of the country. The extra destroyer turned and walked away into international waters in the Eastern part of the Black sea", — said the source.
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  George1 on Tue Jun 02, 2015 8:39 am

    All the Ka-27 and Tu-142 aircrafts of the Russian Navy will be upgraded in 3-5 years

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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  EKS on Tue Jun 02, 2015 6:59 pm

    Do you think a productionline of yak141 is feesible? I think it would only be done if there were a need for it in the russian navy. But the navy laks carriers for these aircraft. Unfortunaly they were scraped or sold years ago. A foreign State order would have to be large to cover the cost. I don't think it Will happen. But i do love that plane.
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  medo on Tue Jun 02, 2015 9:02 pm

    EKS wrote:Do you think a productionline of yak141 is feesible? I think it would only be done if there were a need for it in the russian navy. But the navy laks carriers for these aircraft. Unfortunaly they were scraped or sold years ago. A foreign State order would have to be large to cover the cost. I don't think it Will happen. But i do love that plane.

    China plan to develop VSTOL aircraft for their naval needs and Russia will also have LHDs similar to Mistral, where they could place them. Also those planes could operate from smaller islands in VTOL regime from helipads like Chinese islands in SCS or Russian bases in Arctic islands. On the other hand there is more and more LHDs and smaller carriers around which need VSTOL fighters. Harriers are no more in production and F-35 is extremely expensive. In current situation Yak-141 have export market and potential to be produced in hundreds. Point is, that if China want to develop VSTOL plane, they have to start from the beginning, on the other hand Russia only have to restart the project and finish it. Russia could save a lot of money and time with Yak-141. In other case, chinese plane will take this market.

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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  EKS on Tue Jun 02, 2015 9:43 pm

    medo wrote:
    EKS wrote:Do you think a productionline of yak141 is feesible? I think it would only be done if there were a need for it in the russian navy. But the navy laks carriers for these aircraft. Unfortunaly they were scraped or sold years ago. A foreign State order would have to be large to cover the cost. I don't think it Will happen. But i do love that plane.

    China plan to develop VSTOL aircraft for their naval needs and Russia will also have LHDs similar to Mistral, where they could place them. Also those planes could operate from smaller islands in VTOL regime from helipads like Chinese islands in SCS or Russian bases in Arctic islands. On the other hand there is more and more LHDs and smaller carriers around which need VSTOL fighters. Harriers are no more in production and F-35 is extremely expensive. In current situation Yak-141 have export market and potential to be produced in hundreds. Point is, that if China want to develop VSTOL plane, they have to start from the beginning, on the other hand Russia only have to restart the project and finish it. Russia could save a lot of money and time with Yak-141. In other case, chinese plane will take this market.

    Well maby the Chinese want russian participation in the development of a vstol aircraft, but i don't see a deal Like the su30 likely in the future. Also, there isn't a productionline yet. So the costs are high. The point is the Chinese want selfsufficiency and they won't buy off the shelf aircraft. Although not in large numbers.

    If the russian navy wants a plane Like yak141, and if there is a effective use for them, i guess it Will be in maby 10 to 20 years, then i think they Will develop a new aircraft based on yak141 tech, Like the USA did.

    IMO a russian design of a LHD Will first of all serve as a helicopter carrier for ASW (in the bastion defence startegy as they lack the old LHD) and a limited coast attack role. The offshore airdefence role will be met by the naval landbased fighters. The future blue sea airdefence is for the new aircraftcarrier on the designboard.

    But never say never. The vstol aircraft can operate from a large LHD.
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    Υak-141 VSTOL

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 03, 2015 8:23 am

    They wont be selling the Kuznetsov to anyone... why would they?

    It is rather unlikely they will reactivate the Yak-141 either... the number of aircraft they want on their carriers (ie talk of 100 in the most recent releases) means they wont be making small carriers, so it makes no sense to develop a VSTOL aircraft.

    The whole point of VSTOL fighters for the navy is so they can operate fixed wing aircraft from smaller cheaper platforms... if they are building bigger platforms it makes rather more sense to use existing types like MiG-29K and PAK FA as they are fully developed or to be fully developed multirole fighter bombers already.

    With full thrust vector control engines it is rather likely that the MiG-29k and PAK FA will be able to take off full loads anyway as they can optimise their angle of attack on takeoff to get maximum engine lift and maximum wing lift as they accelerate from the ship...

    (note the corsair had a ram wing that could be lifted up to increase wing angle to increase lift with a lower angle of attack so the engines are more horizontal to increase acceleration... the MiG-29K and PAK FA could raise their noses and increase the wing angle with their engine nozzles angled up to create horizontal thrust for better acceleration....)


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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  George1 on Fri Jun 12, 2015 11:17 pm

    Repair of amphibious aircraft Be-12 in naval aviation of the Russian Navy in Yalta. It seems no replacement is projected in the foreseeable future.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1339356.html


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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jul 08, 2015 4:33 am

    Concept of new naval helicopter from Kamov. (Should this go here or in air force tread? dunno )

    http://military-informant.com/?p=25706

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:36 pm

    its looks like Russia are offering to upgrade and build new MI-14's

    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150710/1024451880.html
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  franco on Sat Jul 18, 2015 6:27 pm

    In honor of Naval Aviation Day;

    http://sputniknews.com/photo/20150717/1024738645.html
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  George1 on Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:46 am

    The Ka-29 aboard the "Yellow 39" in Yeisk

    An interesting photo shoot of one of the three are now in flying condition of transport and combat helicopters Ka-29 naval aviation of the Russian Navy - a helicopter with the hull number "39 Yellow" (RF-registration number 34188), operating in 859th Combat Center implementation and training of flight crews of naval aviation of the Russian Navy in Yeisk. The photos were taken in July 25, 2015.

    As part of this 859th Center is also Ka-29 with tail number "Yellow 38" (registration RF-34194). In addition, as part of Northern Fleet aircraft operated helicopter Ka-29 with tail number "23 Red".

    Total from 1977 to 1988 were built three prototypes and 59 series helicopters Ka-29, seven of which after the collapse of the Soviet Union moved to Ukraine (two of them are now in flying condition).

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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  Cucumber Khan on Wed Aug 05, 2015 1:19 pm

    Found this interesting blurb:
    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150805/1163249888.html

    Su-24MR conducting exercises to detect submarines in the Sea of Okhotsk. Now, the Su-24 has no capability to detect submarines, so what is going on here?
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 06, 2015 11:31 am

    The Su-24MR is the recon model, not the strike aircraft... I am sure it could carry a range of sensors that would allow it to track surface ships and submarines in shallow waters...


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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:38 am

    GarryB wrote:The Su-24MR is the recon model, not the strike aircraft... I am sure it could carry a range of sensors that would allow it to track surface ships and submarines in shallow waters...
    Don't think so. To detect submarines, you need very specialized equipment, like a magnetic anomaly detector (MAD) or launch sonobuoys. Be-12, Tu-142 and Il-38 are the only planes in Russia with such equipment.
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  GarryB on Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:39 am

    Keep in mind that they were working on the Su-32 version of the Su-34 that was supposed to be a dedicated ASW aircraft, so I would expect technology like blue green laser pods and long wave radar systems as well as MAD probes will likely have been developed for the Su-34 and therefore also possibly compatible with the Su-24 recon versions too in upgrades.

    I would expect it would be rather easy to modify a KGMU-2 dispensor pod that normally releases submunitions could be used to deploy sonobuoys...

    Of course remember aircraft have been used since WWII to detect subs simply using radar to detect periscopes.... that might be what they were doing in this case.


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    Post  George1 on Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:25 am

    Russian Navy to receive 25 new, 5 upgraded aircraft this year — defense minister


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    ka-25 Hormone A weapon load

    Post  nastle77 on Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:51 pm

    The Ka-25 Hormone A was the ASW version but what weapons could it carry most online sources say DC and torpedoes but do not specify what kind of torpedoes and how many ?
    one source says weapon load capacity was 4000 lb ? is that accurate too
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    Post  artjomh on Tue Sep 01, 2015 11:19 pm

    nastle77 wrote:The Ka-25 Hormone A was the ASW version but what weapons could it carry most online sources say DC and torpedoes but do not specify what kind of  torpedoes and how many ?
    one source says weapon load capacity was 4000 lb ? is that accurate too

    Single AT-1 or VTT-1 (on upgraded models) and 4-8 bombs (PLAB-250-100)

    Could carry up to 1100 kgs.

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    Post  nastle77 on Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:18 am

    artjomh wrote:
    nastle77 wrote:The Ka-25 Hormone A was the ASW version but what weapons could it carry most online sources say DC and torpedoes but do not specify what kind of  torpedoes and how many ?
    one source says weapon load capacity was 4000 lb ? is that accurate too

    Single AT-1 or VTT-1 (on upgraded models) and 4-8 bombs (PLAB-250-100)

    Could carry up to 1100 kgs.

    Thanks can they carry any weapons for Anti-surface action ?
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  artjomh on Wed Sep 02, 2015 1:40 am

    nastle77 wrote:
    artjomh wrote:
    nastle77 wrote:The Ka-25 Hormone A was the ASW version but what weapons could it carry most online sources say DC and torpedoes but do not specify what kind of  torpedoes and how many ?
    one source says weapon load capacity was 4000 lb ? is that accurate too

    Single AT-1 or VTT-1 (on upgraded models) and 4-8 bombs (PLAB-250-100)

    Could carry up to 1100 kgs.

    Thanks can they carry any weapons for Anti-surface action ?

    There was an assault version with unguided rocket pods, but it was not widely used.

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