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    Anyone know, if Yak-130 for Navy will be equipped with arrester hook, or they will continue to use Su-25UTG for carrier operation trainings.

    Post  Mike E on Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:02 pm

    Huh, but you are right, the modification would be quick and easy.
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    Post  George1 on Tue Dec 23, 2014 5:35 pm

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    Post  George1 on Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:42 pm

    Prospects for the Russian Naval Aviation 2015

    1) Naval aviation eventually will receive more than 20 MiG-29Ks, which will become the basis for the formation of a new aviation military unit in the Northern Fleet

    2) Continue to repair and restore the Be-12.

    3) Pacific fleet will start receiving Il-38N.

    4) Active modernization of the existing and well-established anti-submarine helicopters Ka-27PL

    5) Black Sea Fleet will continue replacing Su-24 with Su-30SM. There are currently 2 contracts for 5 and 7 aircrafts

    6) Start the reception of rescue aircraft Be-200


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    Post  George1 on Sat Feb 14, 2015 3:45 pm

    Russia’s Naval Air Forces to Receive Brand New Landing System

    The system is expected to deliver a fully automatic landing approach which will resolve various problems with landing in bad weather conditions.

    Russia will develop a highly precise automatic carrier landing system for the Naval Forces, according to navy commander Major General Igor Kozhin.

    "Currently, we are designing a system that is expected to provide the accuracy of one meter near the landing point. Its development has already begun, and surely will be completed," Kozhin said.

    He also added that the system is expected to deliver a fully automatic landing approach which will resolve various problems with landing in bad weather conditions.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150214/1018273030.html#ixzz3RjMNy95L
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    Post  George1 on Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:28 pm

    Ka-27 Helicopters to Receive New Command and Tactical System

    Eight Ka-27 helicopters of the Russian Navy will be repaired, upgraded and fitted with a new radar command and tactical system. Russia plans to upgrade a total of 46 rotorcraft of this type. This information was presented by First Deputy CEO and Chief Designer of Russia’s Fazotron-NIIR, Yury Guskov.

    “The Russian Navy has decided to upgrade 46 Ka-27 helicopters prior to adopting new helicopters based on the Ka-50/Ka-52. The work will be carried out at JSC Kumertau Aviation Production Enterprise,” the official said.

    The new FHA system will include an airborne radar and a computer. The modernized Ka-27M will be able to detect all types of ships and submarines and will have an increased range of detection and destruction.

    “The helicopter with the FHA system has already passed state tests. Therefore, the first eight Ka-27Ms will be delivered to the Russian Navy in 2015,” Mr. Guskov concluded.
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    Post  George1 on Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:30 pm

    New aircraft of the Russian naval aviation will be able to perform unmanned flights
    Russian Aviaton » Wednesday February 25, 2015 14:42 MSK

    Command of the Russian naval aviation wants the aircraft industry to develop aircraft and helicopters able to perform both manned and unmanned flights, Chief of the naval aviation of Russian NAVY, Major General Igor Kozhin, told RIA Novosti.

    “The next-generation aircraft and helicopters will be able to perform both manned and unmanned flights depending on the mission. That’s the goal we have set for the industry and we believe that it is attainable,” Kozhin said.

    He added that the pilot don’t have to risk his life during test flights covering 3 or 4 thousand kilometers, because the aircraft may do it itself.

    Nevertheless, according to him, it is impossible to operate a fully unmanned aerial vehicle, because there are situations, when a human must make a decision.
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    Post  George1 on Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:44 am

    Russia's Baltic Fleet Naval Aviation Conducts Training Flights

    The Russian Defense Ministry reported that the crews of Su-27 fighter jets and Su-24M bombers of the Baltic Fleet's naval aviation conducted a series of night training flights as a part of snap combat readiness drills in the Barents Sea.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The crews of the Baltic Fleet's naval aviation conducted a series of night training operations and are planning to practice bombing shortly, the Russian Defense Ministry's press service said Thursday.

    "As part of the large-scale exercise…the crews of Su-27 fighter jets and Su-24M bombers of the Baltic Fleet's naval aviation conducted a series of night training flights," the press service said.

    According to the press service, Su-24M bombers will also practice striking ground targets located on the Baltic Fleet's range.

    On Wednesday, Russia's Western Military District said more than 20 ships of the Baltic Fleet were conducting defense drills. The tactical groups involved in the exercise included diesel-electric submarines, small missile and anti-submarine boats as well as minesweepers and various ships of the auxiliary fleet.

    Earlier on Wednesday, the Russian Defense Ministry said that the Russian Navy had started battle drills in the Barents Sea.

    Military drills are also taking place in the Black Sea, with Russia's Black Sea Fleet conducting search for a simulated enemy's submarines and carrying out minesweeping tasks.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20150319/1019702291.html#ixzz3UpKxILBb
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    Post  flamming_python on Sat Mar 21, 2015 3:45 pm


    OMG WTF is WRONG with these people!???
    I heard of this Su-33 'modernization' program once before, since I never heard of it again though I breathed easier and safely assigned it into the forgotten BS and bad ideas pile.

    But now this..

    Why spend money on this pointless modernization program if the MiG-29Ks are ready for duty?
    What was the point of developing the MiG-29K in the first place - just for India?
    In 10 years time, the naval PAK-FAs will be ready and the MiG-29K might as well be skipped altogether.

    I don't get the logic modernizing these well-worn shells, that take up way more room than the compact MiG-29Ks and neccessitate the precence of a completely different aircraft for training purposes; while not offering anything the MiG-29Ks can't offer.
    Even if the Kuznetsov isn't going to be floated in for refit and modernization anytime soon, there seems to be no justification for keeping these sea-worn veterans of the fleet around - they're due for retirement not modernization.
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    Post  George1 on Sat Mar 21, 2015 3:55 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    But now this..

    Why spend money on this pointless modernization program if the MiG-29Ks are ready for duty?
    What was the point of developing the MiG-29K in the first place - just for India?
    In 10 years time, the naval PAK-FAs will be ready and the MiG-29K might as well be skipped altogether.

    I don't get the logic modernizing these well-worn shells, that take up way more room than the compact MiG-29Ks and neccessitate the precence of a completely different aircraft for training purposes; while not offering anything the MiG-29Ks can't offer.
    Even if the Kuznetsov isn't going to be floated in for refit and modernization anytime soon, there seems to be no justification for keeping these sea-worn veterans of the fleet around - they're due for retirement not modernization.

    Refit will take at least 5-6 years. And maybe more because of corruption or lack of experience in aircraft carriers. So thats why they haven't implemented it yet. Ι think that in order Kuznetsov to recieve all 24 MiG-29Ks need refit from the other hand (Granit removal).
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    Post  medo on Sat Mar 21, 2015 7:47 pm


    They will most probably modernize Su-33 to Su-27SM or SM3 standard. Most probably they will replace radar with N001VEP or Zhuk-MS radar and I hope they will also replace IRST with the one from Su-30 which also have TV and laser designator inside. Maybe they will also install more powerful AL-31FM1 engines and MAWS sensors.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Mar 22, 2015 4:24 am

    The MiG-29Ks were a freebee... basically all the development was paid for by the sales to India and continued sales will keep production going for some time so it makes sense to buy them for the Russian Military.

    Regarding upgrading the Su-33s they were very basic and any modification would greatly improve their capabilities making the still very useful carrier aircraft... I rather suspect Sukhoi is offering a very attractive upgrade package at a greatly subsidised price as it will keep them in the naval carrier aircraft game.

    Personally I think having MiG-29k2s and Su-33SM3s is a good thing for the Russian Navy...


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    Post  flamming_python on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:17 am

    GarryB wrote:The MiG-29Ks were a freebee... basically all the development was paid for by the sales to India and continued sales will keep production going for some time so it makes sense to buy them for the Russian Military.

    Regarding upgrading the Su-33s they were very basic and any modification would greatly improve their capabilities making the still very useful carrier aircraft... I rather suspect Sukhoi is offering a very attractive upgrade package at a greatly subsidised price as it will keep them in the naval carrier aircraft game.

    Personally I think having MiG-29k2s and Su-33SM3s is a good thing for the Russian Navy...

    They don't need both of them - either one or the other, having them both is a waste of money.

    It might make sense if those Su-33s were modernized for assignment to non-carrier duties.
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    Post  GJ Flanker on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:26 am

    Su-33 is a very potent platform. The upgrade could, should, include the ability to carry Kalibr and Yakhont/BrahMos missiles. Also RVV-SD and RVV-MD AAM. I hope the Su-33SM will get Bars radar with AESA array. The MiG-29KR is not that suitable for heavy ASM's.

    A Su-33SM - MiG-29KR/KUBR Combo is the best thing that could happen to the RuNavy at this moment.

    IMHO a further, more stealth, developed S-37 Berkut naval version, would be even better than a naval PAK FA. I know money, money, money, but new threat situations for Russia...

    T-50 for RuAF, S-37 for RuNA!
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    Post  flamming_python on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:58 am

    GJ Flanker wrote:The MiG-29KR is not that suitable for heavy ASM's.

    Which heavy ASMs would it need to be suited for?

    AFAIK it's already compatible with the Kalibr (but perhaps not the longer, supersonic variants), and while the Onyx is too heavy - the Brahmos-M is being developed for the Indian Navy's MiG-29Ks; the idea is that up to 2 of them could be fitted per plane. Nothing to stop Russia from buying the Brahmos-M when its ready.

    A Su-33SM - MiG-29KR/KUBR Combo is the best thing that could happen to the RuNavy at this moment.

    You'll be able to fit in more MiG-29Ks into the hold/deck space that the Su-33s currently occupy - even w/o the big Kuznetsov overhaul.
    You'll also be able to replace all the Su-25UTGs onboard with MiG-29KUBs - that will be able to fulfil not only training roles during peacetime duties; but combat ones too.
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    Post  GJ Flanker on Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:33 pm

    First:
    The MiG-29KR will surely have some issues taking off from the Kuznetsov with 2 heavy ASM! Suitable for the MiG-29KR are AS-17 and AS-20!

    Second:
    The Su-33SM will have "longer legs" than the MiG-29KR. Simply more range and I think the better air superiority fighter with its canards. In the end no issues with heavy Yakhont and Kalibr!
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    Post  flamming_python on Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:04 pm

    GJ Flanker wrote:First:
    The MiG-29KR will surely have some issues taking off from the Kuznetsov with 2 heavy ASM! Suitable for the MiG-29KR are AS-17 and AS-20!

    The Brahmos-M is not a heavy ASM - it is in fact the mini-version of the Brahmos, currently under development alongside the Brahmos-2.

    The Indian MiG-29Ks are designed to fly from the Vikramaditya, presumably with a full ordanance load.
    Don't see why the Indo-Russian joint-venture would bother to develop the Brahmos-M, with a specification that 2 can be carried by MiG-29Ks - if there is no way to actually achieve that in practise.
    If Indian MiG-29Ks can take-off with two Brahmos-Ms from the Vikramaditya, then there is no reason why Russian MiG-29Ks won't be able to take off with 2 Brahmos-Ms or any other specified load from the Kuznetsov.

    On the other hand there has been much speculation about how Su-33s can't take off with their max. ordanance capacity or anything near it from the Kuznetsov. I don't know the validity of this, but it does sound plausible.

    Second:
    The Su-33SM will have "longer legs" than the MiG-29KR. Simply more range and I think the better air superiority fighter with its canards. In the end no issues with heavy Yakhont and Kalibr!

    The Su-33 does have significantly greater range. The MiG-29K also has fewer hardpoints, is not compatible with the Yakhont and possibly the supersonic Kalibr-variants and yes - it doesn't have canards and thus has a disadvantage in turn-radius and manuevers.

    But in every other characteristic you can think of; flight, electronic or otherwise - the current production model of the MiG-29K is equal or superior in every way to the current Su-33s in service.

    Certainly the Su-33s would be able to match a lot of those characteristics with a modernization program. But even then, you'll still be left with significantly older aircraft as opposed to newly-built ones, that you won't be able to fit as many of onto the same ship. What's the point?
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    Post  mack8 on Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:29 pm

    It looks like they like the long rang of the Su-33, that's why they hang on to them. Possibly the upgraded ones will act as a sort of stop gap until the T-50K? (also long range)

    If the Su-33s have enough hours on them, given the cost of new aircraft (they have decided long ago restarting production of Su-33 is not feasible) an upgrade is comparatively very cost effective to significantly increase their potential for the remaining time they will be in service. They will probably upgrade about 12 or so imo if they'll go ahead.
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    Post  GJ Flanker on Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:32 pm

    At the end, you've to admit, a super-dooper modernized Su-33 will have the edge over a MiG-29KR in every way.
    The only advantage, of the MiG-29KR, over the current Sea Flanker was, that it is a multirole fighter and nothing more!
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    Post  GJ Flanker on Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:34 pm

    The only advantage, of the MiG-29KR, over the current Sea Flanker was, that it is a multirole fighter and nothing more!
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    Post  flamming_python on Sun Mar 22, 2015 3:04 pm

    mack8 wrote:It looks like they like the long rang of the Su-33, that's why they hang on to them. Possibly the upgraded ones will act as a sort of stop gap until the T-50K? (also long range)

    If the Su-33s have enough hours on them, given the cost of new aircraft (they have decided long ago restarting production of Su-33 is not feasible) an upgrade is comparatively very cost effective to significantly increase their potential for the remaining time they will be in service. They will probably upgrade about 12 or so imo if they'll go ahead.

    Yes that's the only thing I can think of, a combination of the Su-33s superior range, and the fact that the naval PAK-FA could be ready in less than a decade; and the only thing that's really needed is a stop-gap.

    The logic makes sense but overall I'm not convinced. Drop-tanks can be used to increase MiG-29K ranges, while the increasing minaturization and range-increases of anti-ship and anti-air weaponary means that todays MiG-29Ks will be able to hit all the same targets that Su-33s could 10-15 years ago anyway.
    Meanwhile in terms of the naval PAK-FA - there is no need to rush it at all. The naval PAK-FA should be developed for the next-generation of ACs, that will have more space for a large fighter like the PAK-FA, and will probably have EM-catapults that will insure that they will be able to launch at max-loads. This will also give time for all the chinks in the design of the baseline PAK-FA to be ironed out, before launching the production of the naval version.
    In terms of the Kuznetsov - it is a smaller AC with only ski-ramps - but with its eventual overhaul it will certainly be able to carry quite a large MIG-29K complement, this is an ideal aircraft for it and the Kuznetsov can be equipped with them right up to its eventual retirement.

    My only hope is that they still plan to go ahead with MiG-29K introduction, but want to modernize and keep around a few Su-33s in the carrier air-wing for the long-range missions. I guess such an idea has its value too.

    GJ Flanker wrote:At the end, you've to admit, a super-dooper modernized Su-33 will have the edge over a MiG-29KR in every way.

    No I don't have to 'admit' it.

    The MiG-29K is a newly-built aircraft that will be able to serve for a lot longer than just the 10 years that the Su-33 upgrade will give, there are no questions about its ability to take-off with full weapons loadouts from ski-ramp aircraft carriers, and you will be able to fit considerably more MiG-29Ks/MiG-29KUBs onto the Kuznetsov than you could fit Su-33s; owing to their compactness and the ability of MiG-29KUBs to double as trainer aircraft.

    Actually I'm surprised they have decided that the Su-33s have another 10 years left in them. Modernization will do zilch for the age of the airframe, and I have heard that those airframes are pretty worn-out by now, needing replacement and soon. That was part of the big reason for the MiG-29K program funding; and the idea that India's purchasing of MiG-29Ks will make it worthwhile to build ones for the Russian navy too.
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    Post  medo on Sun Mar 22, 2015 4:50 pm

    Modernization of Su-33 have some sense, as they were last flankers build in the mid nineties. They were built for carrier operations over the sea, but they quite rarely fly from carrier. Anyway, they could serve quite a long time as ground based fighters in Murmansk region do defend Murmansk naval base and Arctic region. Don't forget, MiG-31BM is fast interceptor and Su-34 is a fighter bomber. They need an agile fighter like Su-33 there, specially when Su-33 is also equipped with IFR and with that it have longer range over arctic than standard Su-27 and equipped for navigation over the sea. Modernized to Su-27SM3 standard will be still capable fighter to protect the open gate over warm gulf stream to the Arctic region. MiG-29K/KUB will be quite enough for their carrier operations.

    With a squadron of Su-33 in Murmansk together with a squadron of MiG-31BM in Murmansk and a squadron of MiG-31BM in Novaya Zemlja island, they will be capable to defend the gate to the Arctic region.
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    Post  TR1 on Sun Mar 22, 2015 8:19 pm

    GJ Flanker wrote:At the end, you've to admit, a super-dooper modernized Su-33 will have the edge over a MiG-29KR in every way.


    No, that is wrong.

    You will always be able to fit more Mig-29Ks on the Kuz.
    Also, it has a TWR advantage and plenty of performance characteristics that a Su-33 will not be matching.

    Now it will certainly have its advantages, but the question is, how relevant are they to what the RuNavy wants. They don't operate Su-33s with heavy AShMs in any case- and even if they do modernize them to be multirole, I suspect the most they will be carrying off the Kuz is the Kh-35 and Kh-31. Both are missiles that the MiG-29K carries.

    There is this notion online that the Flanker platform is flat out better than Fulcrum in every sense aside from price, but it is just not true.
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    Post  TR1 on Sun Mar 22, 2015 8:27 pm

    GJ Flanker wrote:The only advantage, of the MiG-29KR, over the current Sea Flanker was, that it is a multirole fighter and nothing more!

    Will the Sea Flanker ever climb as fast as the MiG-29K? No. An important characteristic for air superiority wouldn't you say.
    Will it cost ever as little to operate? No.
    Will it have as good of a sustained turn rate? Likely no.
    Will it have as fast of in-line acceleration? No.

    Look I could go on, but the point is the situation is more nuanced.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:08 pm

    It might be something to do with inter service rivalry. The Navy has always wanted to be as independent from the VVS as possible....the more aircraft they control - the better from their perspective

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