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    Re: Su-27: News

    Post  medo on Tue Aug 04, 2015 8:05 pm

    George1 wrote:Su-33 Northern Fleet Navy Flankers Enter Into Kola Arctic Service

    The fleet of aircraft entered into service in defense of the air borders of the Kola area of the Arctic region following a ceremony on August 1; the aircraft is a naval fighter jet based on the Su-27.

    A fleet of Su-33 navy flankers have entered service in the Kola zone of the Russian Arctic, the Northern Fleet of the Russian navy announced on Monday.

    "Pilots of the shipborne fighter aviation regiment of the Northern Fleet have begun service guarding the air borders of the Kola Arctic region using the deck-based Su-33 fighter jet – the naval equivalent of the multi-role Su-27 fighter jet," stated a spokesman for the Northern Fleet on Monday.

    "The aircraft were introduced into service in a ceremony held on August 1."

    According to the statement, the navy flankers had been employed in defense of Northern Fleet warship units on long campaigns. From now on, in between campaigns, the Su-33 aircraft will be employed in the air defense of the Kola area of the Russian Arctic.

    The Su-33 is a single-seat ship-based fighter, designed to defend naval ships from aerial threats; the aircraft were brought into service on board the heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov.

    The aircraft are manufactured in Komsomolsk-on-Amur and first entered into official service in 1998.

    A naval derivative of the land-based Su-27 fighter jet, it has a reinforced undercarriage and folding wings for landing on navy aircraft carriers, and is equipped with probe-and-drogue refueling capabilities.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150803/1025335094.html#ixzz3hkgLVGxw

    I predicted this scenario for some time as only logical. I think, when Kuznetsov carrier will return from repairs, MiG-29K/KUB will be stationed there and Su-33 will take defensive duties as ground based fighters. Considering Su-33 were built in mid nineties and have low number of carrier operation hours as Kuz went rarely on the sea, Su-33 could still serve for 15 to 20 years as ground based fighter, considering it have stronger undercarriage and structure for carrier operations and better anti corrosion protection. I think NAVY should modernize them with new Zhuk-MS or N001VEP radar and new displays in cockpit and bring it to Su-27SM3 standard.

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    Re: Su-27: News

    Post  nemrod on Mon Aug 10, 2015 10:21 pm

    max steel wrote:
    Read the last line which flanker is he talking about Su-27 or F-22 ?
    Iam sorry Max, I missed your question. Sorry. As it was said, the article was written in 1992, the beginning of dark era for humanity, but the sunshine for the western oligarchy. Yetlsin, the best western friend, as Gorbatchov were in power. Hence the beginning of the disaster for Russia, and its ally. See now Ukraine, Georgia, russian baltic regions etc...As the Su-27 were in US hands, they no longer feared Russia, as they destroyed Yougoslavia, without a mere russian reaction. Do not forget that this article was at first western article, and not a friendly article.


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    Post  nastle77 on Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:07 pm

    Were any SU-27 also assigned to the strategic aviation by the end of the 1980s ? In addition to PVO and VVS ?

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    Post  franco on Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:19 pm

    nastle77 wrote:Were any SU-27 also assigned to the strategic aviation by the end of the 1980s ? In addition to PVO and VVS ?

    I never heard of any nor see the purpose for such a thing.

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    Post  nastle77 on Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:40 pm

    franco wrote:
    nastle77 wrote:Were any SU-27 also assigned to the strategic aviation by the end of the 1980s ? In addition to PVO and VVS ?

    I never heard of any nor see the purpose for such a thing.
    For the purpose of escorting bombers of the long range aviation

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    Re: Su-27: News

    Post  medo on Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:07 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipD7oM8ZVFI

    Su-27SM from Krymsk.

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    Re: Su-27: News

    Post  nemrod on Sat Sep 05, 2015 11:43 pm


    http://su-27flanker.com/versions/t-10-flanker-a/

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    Re: Su-27: News

    Post  mack8 on Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:44 pm

    According to KnAAZ insider, the plan for re-delivery of upgraded in-service Su-27P/S to SM3 standard is 12 in 2017 and 8 each in 2018, 2019 and 2020, total 36.
    http://forums.airforce.ru/matchast/3582-su-27-istoriya-serii-197/

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    Post  sepheronx on Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:53 pm

    That's it? Wow. How many are there are total? Guess they want to phase out the old aircrafts and only few get upgraded....

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    Post  mack8 on Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:04 am

    There's a recent article on VKS in CA or AFM, can't remember, there are some numbers there, i have to check it again. A previous article from the last year was talking of i think 120 un-upgraded Su-27P/S still in service, but the number now must be significantly lower.

    PS: Found it, the article claims that there are about 70 un-upgraded Su-27S/UB still in service, how accurate that figure is i don't know. But it seems that in about 2020 there will still be about 65 Su-27SM/SM3 upgraded or bought previously plus these 36 let's call them "Su-27SM4", and presumably still a number of legacy UBs, unless they will all be replaced by the 20 Su-30M2. To that we can add hopefully about 96 Su-35S and well over 100 Su-30SMs. Presumably then the T-50S will start replacing the oldest Su-27SMs.

    On another note, any details of how much life/hours have been added to the initial 55 Su-27SMs upgraded in the 2000s, is it ten or 15 years?

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    Post  franco on Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:36 am

    mack8 wrote:There's a recent article on VKS in CA or AFM, can't remember, there are some numbers there, i have to check it again. A previous article from the last year was talking of i think 120 un-upgraded Su-27P/S still in service, but the number now must be significantly lower.

    PS: Found it, the article claims that there are about 70 un-upgraded Su-27S/UB still in service, how accurate that figure is i don't know. But it seems that in about 2020 there will still be about 65 Su-27SM/SM3 upgraded or bought previously plus these 36 let's call them "Su-27SM4", and presumably still a number of legacy UBs, unless they will all be replaced by the 20 Su-30M2. To that we can add hopefully about 96 Su-35S and well over 100 Su-30SMs. Presumably then the T-50S will start replacing the oldest Su-27SMs.

    On another note, any details of how much life/hours have been added to the initial 55 Su-27SMs upgraded in the 2000s, is it ten or 15 years?

    I believe it is measured more in flight hours which is 2,000-2,500. The first 2 dozen or so upgraded were only to SM standard and are presently being replaced with the Su-35S out East. An article at the first of the year stated there were presently 50 at SM2 level and apparently no more S's for upgrading (only 100-150 built). Then you have the 36 27P's to be upgraded to SM2 along with the 12 new built SM3's. Only a couple of 27UB's have been upgraded to 27UBM with the 30M2 being bought for that role for both the 27's and 35's. By my count for 2020;

    - 86 27SM2
    - 12 27SM3
    - 2 27UBM
    - 5 27M
    - 20 30M2
    - 120-135 30SM
    - 90-100 35S

    EDIT: my understanding is that the 27P conversations start in 2016 not 2017.

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    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:55 am

    AFAIK, officially there is no Su-27SM2. There's only SM and SM3

    There is probably minor differences between various Su-27SM aircraft depending on the year they were upgraded which led to the unofficial SM2 designation

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    Post  franco on Thu Oct 15, 2015 1:01 am

    Cyberspec wrote:AFAIK, officially there is no Su-27SM2. There's only SM and SM3

    There is probably minor differences between various Su-27SM aircraft depending on the year they were upgraded which led to the unofficial SM2 designation

    My understanding is that the SM2 is the same standard as the SM3 but a rebuild not a new build as the SM3.

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    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Oct 15, 2015 1:11 am

    I think they are all upgraded (existing) Su-27's....but some are freshly assembled from previously produced kits/components (from the 1990's I believe)

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    Post  franco on Thu Oct 15, 2015 1:14 am

    Cyberspec wrote:I think they are all upgraded (existing) Su-27's....but some are freshly assembled from previously produced kits/components (from the 1990's I believe)

    Those are the SM3's.

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    Post  sepheronx on Wed Nov 04, 2015 1:22 am

    Interesting.  So with upgrades like SM, would you think that such upgrades require minimal work?  And how much does an SM upgrade cost per Su-27?

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    Post  veeta on Wed Nov 04, 2015 1:28 am

    franco wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:AFAIK, officially there is no Su-27SM2. There's only SM and SM3

    There is probably minor differences between various Su-27SM aircraft depending on the year they were upgraded which led to the unofficial SM2 designation

    My understanding is that the SM2 is the same standard as the SM3 but a rebuild not a new build as the SM3.

    No, SM2 was cancelled it was scheduled to have IBRIS-E but cut due to costs.
    The only Su-27SM versions in the inventory are SM and SM3, both with N001VP, SM3 being new builds whilst SM being upgrades to similar spec.

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    Post  sepheronx on Wed Nov 04, 2015 1:43 am

    veeta wrote:
    franco wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:AFAIK, officially there is no Su-27SM2. There's only SM and SM3

    There is probably minor differences between various Su-27SM aircraft depending on the year they were upgraded which led to the unofficial SM2 designation

    My understanding is that the SM2 is the same standard as the SM3 but a rebuild not a new build as the SM3.

    No, SM2 was cancelled it was scheduled to have IBRIS-E but cut due to costs.
    The only Su-27SM versions in the inventory are SM and SM3, both with N001VP, SM3 being new builds whilst SM being upgrades to similar spec.
    Which is a darn shame since the Irbis-e would have given it great performance increases, to one of the best jets out there.  Should have gone with some other upgrade like Bars-R or something else if price is that much an issue.

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    Post  franco on Wed Nov 04, 2015 2:17 am

    sepheronx wrote:Interesting.  So with upgrades like SM, would you think that such upgrades require minimal work?  And how much does an SM upgrade cost per Su-27?

    Not a clue about costs but these upgrades are extensive as they are also air frame extensions. A new plane is good for 4-5,000 flight hours and a rebuild adds another 2-2,500 flight hours plus more advanced engines, electronics and weapons availability. There are also simple upgrades such as was given the 24M's to improve weapons efficiency.

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    Post  George1 on Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:01 am

    Russian-made Su-27/30 fighter jets third most popular combat aircraft worldwide

    http://tass.ru/en/defense/845725


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    Post  George1 on Fri Feb 12, 2016 8:15 am

    Besovets now armed with Su-27P/UB that has ~ the same combat radius & weapon as Su-35S

    https://twitter.com/KURYERSAT/status/697881976586530818


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    Re: Su-27: News

    Post  George1 on Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:36 pm

    Flying Su-27SM from the 38th Regiment in the Crimea

    Official video of the Russian Ministry of Defence on 11 February 2016 "Flying Su-27 at the airfield Belbek (Crimea) during the inspection of combat readiness of the Southern Military District."

    At the airport Belbek stationed formed in the summer of 2014, the 38th Fighter Regiment formed at the same time, the 27th Composite Air Division 4th Army, Air Force and Air Defense of the Southern Military District. Polk, the known data, has 31 aircraft - 12 fighters Su-27SM, 12 Su-27, four Su-27UB and three Su-30M2. It is reported that in 2020 planned to complete the Regiment with 24 modernized Su-27SM3 and six Su-30M2.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1737125.html

    So Su-27 are replaced by Su-27SM3 and Su-27UB by Su-30M2 in Belbek. That means more orders of Su-30M2 and more modernized Su-27SM3/SM?


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    Re: Su-27: News

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:49 pm

    Well, with current climate and the fact the opposition in Russia is constantly crying to reduce mil spending, purchasing more Su-27SM3 is a good idea, helps reduce overall costs in having to purchase all new aircraft and Russia gets modernized jets that are much needed.

    At least this is what I feel may be a good move.

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    Post  mack8 on Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:38 am

    There is already an order with KnAAZ for upgrading 36 legacy Su-27 to SM3 standard. I'm curious about Su-30M2 though, i thought production has ended for both export and VKS, is it actually still continuing for both?

    PS: Just noticed in the bmpd video the cammo on the SMs, are they recently overhauled?

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    Post  eridan on Sun Feb 14, 2016 11:01 pm

    Not exactly news but maybe someone can help.

    Is there a good source out there which explicitly states the empty weight figure for su-27p variant? So i'm not asking about su-27s, which seems to be 16,38 tons empty, but for P variant which should have various subsystems removed, compared to su-27s.

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