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    New Avangrad ICBM

    Post  Austin on Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:50 pm

    Ok we know some thing about this new Avangrad ICBM , atleast one prototype the first one fired in November crashed due to first stage failure.

    But from Yuri Interview he game some hints what the new ICBM can contain.

    Russia to develop new ballistic missile system by 2013

    Russian scientists will develop a new land-based intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) system by 2013, a leading missile designer said on Thursday.

    "I cannot be specific about the details but new design solutions will significantly boost the fire control and communications components of the system," said Yury Solomonov, general designer at the Moscow Institute of Thermal Technology.

    Solomonov, who designed Russia's Topol and Bulava ballistic missiles, said the new system would feature high survivability and enhanced striking capability.

    Russia's Strategic Missile Forces reportedly have over 400 ICBMs, including 171 Topol (SS-25), 70 Topol-M (SS-27), and three RS-24 Yars missiles.

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    Re: RS-26 Missile System

    Post  Austin on Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:57 pm

    As far as land based ICBM goes the production of Single Warhead Topol-M SS-27 has been stopped and they are producing MIRV RS-24.

    Eventually they will produce 2 types of ICBM one is RS-24 and the other is new Avangrad. They will replace the remaining SS-25 and SS-19.

    And then we have a new Liquid Fuel ICBM which will replace the SS-18

    So the future Land Based ICBM fleet of SRF will be

    Topol-M - SS-27
    RS-24 - MIRV'd Topol-M
    Avangrad
    heavy ICBM

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    Re: RS-26 Missile System

    Post  Arrow on Wed May 23, 2012 7:59 pm

    Strategic Rocket Forces successfully launched a prototype intercontinental ballistic missile propably Avangard

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    Re: RS-26 Missile System

    Post  Austin on Wed May 23, 2012 8:04 pm

    Yes its Avangrad classified as new type of ICBM a further development of Topol-M Yars

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    Re: RS-26 Missile System

    Post  George1 on Wed May 23, 2012 8:41 pm

    Austin wrote:

    Topol-M - SS-27
    RS-24 - MIRV'd Topol-M
    Avangrad
    heavy ICBM

    RS-24 = SS-29

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    Re: RS-26 Missile System

    Post  Austin on Wed May 23, 2012 8:59 pm

    Not sure if SS-29 is the official/NATO designation given to RS-24.

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    Re: RS-26 Missile System

    Post  GarryB on Thu May 24, 2012 11:23 am

    It hasn't entered service so its correct designation... if it is going to get called SS-29 would be SS-X-29.

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    Re: RS-26 Missile System

    Post  Arrow on Sat May 26, 2012 8:56 am

    Some sources said that is a land version Bulava Neutral

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    Re: RS-26 Missile System

    Post  GarryB on Sun May 27, 2012 1:12 am

    BTW minor correction... TOPOL-M and Yars are not the same missile.

    Topol-M = SS-27

    RS-24 = Yars = SS-29

    and Topol = SS-25

    This new missile is a new missile, and might... as rumours suggest be based on Bulava, though that would be unusual.

    SLBMs are designed to fairly restricted parameters which effects their range and performance, though that might be useful in a truck or rail mobile system.

    The advantage of an ICBM based on Bulava is that Bulava has 10 warheads max, but I understood the purpose of the RS-24 Yars was to be a Topol-M with larger warhead capacity...

    Perhaps they think a modified Bulava might be cheaper.

    BTW it is amusing that NATO is allocating different numbers to these different weapons... the Bulava is a navalised Topol. The Topol-M is based on the Topol, and the Yars is based on the Topol-M...

    There are more differences between the Saturn 1 to Saturn 5 rockets than there are between these Russian weapons, but by giving them different western designations they can pretend that Russia is in the middle of a massive arms race... they are making 4 or 5 different new missiles with plans for more... same old games. Rolling Eyes

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    Re: RS-26 Missile System

    Post  Austin on Sun May 27, 2012 6:51 am

    Bulava is hardly a navalised Topol-M , its a different class of missile differing from Topol-M substantially , the only common it has is it is designed by same design bureau which is MITT.

    Avangrad being a modified variant of Bulava is not surprising it was hinted in an interview by Yuri Solomonov last year when Bulava was facing some problem that a land based variant could be developed based on Universal Concept.

    A small light solid fuel ICBM is always an advantage in mobility and foot print , reportedly it uses a new type of truck.

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    Re: RS-26 Missile System

    Post  GarryB on Sun May 27, 2012 7:16 am

    Bulava is hardly a navalised Topol-M , its a different class of missile differing from Topol-M substantially , the only common it has is it is designed by same design bureau which is MITT.

    Bulava is a navalised Topol, not Topol-M.


    A small light solid fuel ICBM is always an advantage in mobility and foot print , reportedly it uses a new type of truck.

    Or it could be a new IRBM???

    Of course it will likely have a range of about 8,000km so it would be classed as an ICBM, but it could be used in roles IRBMs were used previously before they were banned from Soviet and US arsenals.

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    Re: RS-26 Missile System

    Post  Austin on Sun May 27, 2012 7:30 am

    Bulava is nothing navalised this or that , its a new design built by same design bureau , it could share many components like guidance or solid fuel but its a new design , RS-24 and Topol-M share many common stuff and reportedly RS-24 and Bulava share the same warhead.

    Its just a myth created by media that Bulava is navalised this or that.

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    Re: RS-26 Missile System

    Post  GarryB on Sun May 27, 2012 9:23 am

    One of the selling points made by the company that makes the missiles was that Bulava is a modified Topol so most of the design work had already been done and there would be benefits to having a unified missile for naval and land forces.

    I agree there are lots of comments that are repeated and become facts, though they are myths because there was no official source... just speculation repeated in absence of fact becoming fact.

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    Re: RS-26 Missile System

    Post  coolieno99 on Mon May 28, 2012 8:31 am

    the new missile is basically a land-based version of the Bulava.

    ... Prototype of new Russian intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) tested on May 23, 2012 at Plesetsk Cosmodrome is a ground-based version of submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM) R-30 Bulava, writes Kommersant referring to sources in rocketry engineering industry. Both missiles have similar parameters. By that test launch, the Bulava-developer Moscow Thermotechnics Institute kicked off the work to unify prospective ground- and sea-based delivery vehicles ...
    http://rusnavy.com/news/navy/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=15194

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    Re: RS-26 Missile System

    Post  GarryB on Mon May 28, 2012 11:10 am

    A smaller, lighter, more compact weapon for truck mounted land mobile use makes a lot of sense... especially if it can be made of similar parts to another missile in production.

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    Re: RS-26 Missile System

    Post  Austin on Mon May 28, 2012 2:10 pm

    Russia tests prototype of a new ICBM


    Also these two links indicate the new ICBM tested was Avangrad-R and R&D technical name for new heavy liquid fuel ICBM is Inevitibility , it will likely be based on Silos and Trains , Lots of other details

    http://yubik.net.ru/publ/23-1-0-4769
    http://www.yubileyny.ru/index.php/novine/1978

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    Re: RS-26 Missile System

    Post  Austin on Tue May 29, 2012 5:42 pm

    This footage of what is believed to be Avangrad-R ICBM tested recently from video footage

    video --------> http://www.1tv.ru/news/techno/208191




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    New medium-class ICBM

    Post  George1 on Thu Nov 22, 2012 2:20 pm

    Deployment of new solid-propellant ICBM expected in 2015

    The new missile that was tested in Kapustin Yar on October 24, 2012 remains a bit of a mystery, but probably not for long. As I was going through my old notes, I discovered that the commander of the Rocket Forces, Sergei Karakayev actually described the new missile in some detail in his December 2011 interview.

    He mentioned a development of a new "medium-class" solid-propellant missile "with a new type of combat payload" that will be deployed on mobile launchers as well as in silos. Karakayev said that the new missile is build "on the basis of the technical solutions implemented during the development of the Yars missile." He also said that deployment of the new missile is expected to begin in 2015.

    So, everything suggests that it is an evolutionary development of the Topol-M/Yars line (as it was suggested at the time of the first failed launch attempt in September 2011). The "medium-class" reference could suggests that the new missile is somewhat heavier than Topol-M/Yars, although probably not much - it should still be light enough for a mobile launcher. The initial reports suggested that the new missile uses the same first stage as Yars (that explains Karakayev's "Yars technology" reference), so the difference is probably in larger upper stages. The missile could probably fit in the same launch canister (but it's just a guess). The "new combat payload" part explains the launch from Kapustin Yar to Sary-Shagan. I hope that we'll hear more about the new missile soon.

    http://russianforces.org/blog/2012/11/deployment_of_new_solid-propel.shtml


    Russia to Deploy New ICBM in 2014

    MOSCOW, November 21 (RIA Novosti) - Russia will deploy its newest medium-weight solid-fuel intercontinental ballistic missile in 2014, a military source told RIA Novosti on Wednesday.

    Previously, Strategic Missile Forces (RSVN) commander Sergei Karakayev said Russia would deploy such a weapon only in 2015.

    "According to the latest information, it will be accepted into service in 2014; the new weapon is part of a response program to the United States ballistic missile defense program," the source said, without naming the new system.

    The Strategic Missile Forces test-fired a prototype of the new weapon in October from the Kapustin Yar test range, he said. "This was a test launch as part of combined state trials," he said, adding the weapon will be formally accepted only after completion of those trials.

    The new weapon will be primarily based on mobile launchers, he said. "So far there has been no decision on whether to base them in silos," he added.

    The missile will have intercontinental range, or more than 3,500 miles (5,500 kilometers), he said.

    http://en.rian.ru/military_news/20121121/177633695.html


    This medium range ICBM violates Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, doesn't it??

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    Re: RS-26 Missile System

    Post  Sujoy on Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:14 pm

    George1 wrote:This medium range ICBM violates Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, doesn't it??

    Medium Class bro not Medium Range . In other words it's only the throw weight that will be less than Topol .

    The main reason for carrying out this test is to

    a) test a new warhead that can overcome any missile defense
    b) is cost effective
    c) does not consume a ton of time in manufacturing

    No , it does NOT violate Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty as the eventual range will be in excess of 5500 kms.

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    Re: RS-26 Missile System

    Post  George1 on Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:26 pm

    Sujoy wrote:
    George1 wrote:This medium range ICBM violates Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, doesn't it??

    Medium Class bro not Medium Range . In other words it's only the throw weight that will be less than Topol .

    The main reason for carrying out this test is to

    a) test a new warhead that can overcome any missile defense
    b) is cost effective
    c) does not consume a ton of time in manufacturing

    No , it does NOT violate Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty as the eventual range will be in excess of 5500 kms.

    The missile will have intercontinental range, or more than 3,500 miles (5,500 kilometers), he said

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    Re: RS-26 Missile System

    Post  Sujoy on Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:41 pm

    George1 wrote:The missile will have intercontinental range, or more than 3,500 miles (5,500 kilometers), he said

    Precisely ! That's why it does not come under the ambit of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty. This treaty is limited to missiles with range from 500kms - 5500 kms. It does NOT cover ICBMs.

    That said , Russia can easily bring the range of this missile down to 5500 kms just to remind NATO that it has other options if the US goes ahead with it's ABM system deployment plan in Europe.


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    Re: RS-26 Missile System

    Post  xeno on Sat Jun 08, 2013 4:12 am

    Very important information updated

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20130607/942136785.html

    Now we know the official name is not Avangard but Rubezh(Рубеж), and "Begin Deployment of the first missile regiment in 2014 year "

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    Re: RS-26 Missile System

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jun 08, 2013 12:11 pm

    Another Frontier... Smile


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    Re: RS-26 Missile System

    Post  Sujoy on Sun Jun 09, 2013 3:09 pm

    Not surprising that the new ICBM is solid fuel . While liquid-fuel rockets (as compared to solid-fuel ones)have higher launch-weight to throw-weight ratio, they are also characterized by more durable boost-phase which makes them easier targets to interception than high-acceleration solid-fuel missiles.

    However, Parallel separation warheads are much heavier than the 'traditional' warheads . Therefore there is a requirement to either reduce the number of warheads per missile (which contradicts current Russian intentions) or utilize boosters with greater payload.

    A heavy liquid-fuel missile could be an attractive option to solve this dilemma, mainly because solid-fuel missiles do not promise that straight-forward and effective solution as liquid-fuel ones do.

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    Re: RS-26 Missile System

    Post  Viktor on Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:48 pm

    Sujoy wrote:A heavy liquid-fuel missile could be an attractive option to solve this dilemma, mainly because solid-fuel missiles do not promise that straight-forward and effective solution as liquid-fuel ones do.

    Next Russian heavy ICBM will be liquid fueled. Wink

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