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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  Mindstorm on Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:35 pm

    Russian Patriot wrote:Is it just me or does seem related your argument:

    Pentagon is stepping up efforts to make a bomb capable of destroying Iran's most heavily fortified underground facilities, the Wall Street Journal said on Saturday referring to U.S. officials briefed on the plan.

    “The 30,000-pound [13,600 kilograms] "bunker-buster" bomb, known as the Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP), was specifically designed to take out the hardened fortifications built by Iran and North Korea to cloak their nuclear programs,” the daily said.

    But initial tests indicated that the bomb, as currently configured, would not be capable of destroying some of Iran's facilities, either because of their depth or because Tehran has added new fortifications to protect them, the paper noted.

    U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, in an interview with The Wall Street Journal, said more development work would be done and that he expected the bomb to be ready to take on the deepest bunkers soon. "We're still trying to develop them," Mr. Panetta said.

    U.S. Officials say new money was meant to ensure the weapon would be more effective against the deepest bunkers, including Iran's Fordow enrichment plant facility.

    Fordow is buried in a mountain complex in Iran surrounded by antiaircraft batteries, which makes it a very difficult target for air strikes.

    In early January, Head of Iran’s Atomic Energy Organization (AEOI) Fereidoon Abbasi said Frodow is safe from any kinds of threat by the enemies.

    Tehran said it began the project in 2007, but the IAEA believes design work started in 2006.

    The existence of the facility only came to light after it was identified by Western intelligence agencies in September 2009.

    http://www.en.ria.ru/mlitary_news/20120128/171001822.html


    Paradoxically this news provide to us much more informations about the type of hypothetical intervention planned by part of USA than the technical improvement wanted.
    The employment of a similar weapon would ,in facts, forcedly include the involvement of carrying platforms or way too vulnerable (as C-130) or way too crucial and precious (like B-2) to risk them in a single mission aimed merely at destroy some of the Iranian supposed hardened military nuclear structures, moreover for an eventual not saturated Tor-M1E battery at defence of the site a MOB would be super easy target ,one against which the PK would be practically 100% .

    From those data appear clear that USA plan a full scale air intervention against Iran, with several preliminary SEAD and DEAD missions before a similar weapons could be effectively employed .
    For USAF,obviously the problems linked to a similar operation against iranian facilities would be immensely inferior to those linked to an insulated Israeli intervention.

    Naturally even for USA the most important factor for an efficent intervention would be TIMELINESS , in facts the implementation in Iranian hardened facilities of some of theirs monstrous new type of reinforced concrete (which someone at US DoD think to have been extensively "aided" by Russian startegic silos experts...) that theirs scientists had showed some years ago could prevent anything, except an high yield concentrated nuclear attack ,to cause any damage to theirs most crucial hardened nuclear facilities; even the improved MOB would become at this point totally worthless.

    This is an article on the subject


    www.wired.com/dangerroom/2007/04/irans_superconc/


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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  George1 on Sat May 05, 2012 8:36 am

    A new ICBM with 10 warheads it will not comply with New START that reduces the number of warheads at 1500.
    We will have in the future about 1100 warheads in SLBMs, about 300-320 in ICBMs and the remaining number for strategic bombers.

    Until now for ICBMs we have
    72x1=72 Topol-M
    15x6=90 RS-24


    Probably these numbers will evolute like this
    80x1=80 Topol-M
    40x6=240 RS-24


    So i don't see any space for a new heavy ICBM.

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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  Austin on Sat May 05, 2012 9:22 am

    The new ICBM code named "Inevitability" will replace the existing SS-18 in service.

    A lot of the SS-19 , SS-25 will be removed from service this decade as they reach end of operational life , so its really not a concern.

    Infact according to new START disclosure Russia is below its 1500 warhead limit and US is over it.

    http://russianforces.org/blog/2012/04/march_2012_new_start_data_rele.shtml
    http://russianforces.org/blog/2012/04/parsing_the_new_start_data.shtml

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    Post  George1 on Sat May 05, 2012 9:40 am

    Consider that 8 Borei's will be constructed until 2020 with 5 of them to have 20 silos for 6 MIRV Bulava missiles

    3x16x6=288 WH from Borei I
    5x20x6=600 WH from Borei II

    and about 4 Delta IV class
    4x16x4=192

    Total = 1070 missiles

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    Post  Austin on Sat May 05, 2012 10:13 am

    They could easily arm the Bulava or Sineva with 3 warheads each and more pen aids .....is there a hard and fast rule that it should be 6 warhead each or they might just decommision more Delta 4.

    Alternatively they might just keep the numbers of warhead on Sea based platform and try to reduce the warhead of Air Based Strategic Deterrent and reduce the number of warhead of new ICBM or just de-induct more SS-18 from present 55.

    There are many ways to play the game .....as long as you officially declare your warhead as part of START and keep to 1500 limits there is no problem.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun May 06, 2012 1:58 am

    The number of SLBMs will likely be about 700, and I suspect the ICBMs and SLBMs they do produce will have reduced numbers of warheads in service to increase the number of decoys and penetration aids they can carry, but also in case the US further develops ABM systems around the place.

    Having all the extra missiles with greater warhead capacity will allow Russia the flexibility to greatly increase the number of real warheads they deploy without having to spend too much.

    Their introduction of new Breeder nuclear reactors should make the production of new nuclear warheads quick and relatively cheap...

    Having a heavy missile able to carry 15 warheads will allow them to use fewer missiles.

    It will also be useful at the end of its operational life as a satellite launcher...

    Note with the SSBNs it is easy to withdraw subs and convert them to other purposes like rescue and deep sea research.

    I rather suspect the shift from 16 missile Boreys to 20 missile Boreys is a direct reaction to the US Missile Shield programs.

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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  George1 on Tue May 08, 2012 12:18 pm

    Russia to Adopt New Liquid Heavy ICBM after 2022 - Expert

    Russia will only be able to adopt a new 100-ton liquid-propellant intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) intended to penetrate the US missile defense system by 2022, the manufacturer said on Tuesday.

    Russian military mentioned the possibility of the new ICBMs in 2009 but the official decision to launch development of the new silo-based missile designed to replace the Voyevoda R-36M2 Satan ICBM was only announced late last year.

    “Statistics says it will take about ten years,” said Andrei Goryaev, deputy director of the Russian missile maker NPO Mashinostroyeniya.

    He said it was hard to make any forecasts about the timeframe. “If the country has not done it for 30 years then difficulties are inevitable,” he said.

    Strategic Missile Forces chief Lt. Gen. Sergei Karakayev said in December that Russia’s current solid-propellant ICBMs might be unable to penetrate U.S. missile defenses that the country is deploying in Europe to protect against possible attacks from ‘rogue states’ such as Iran and North Korea.

    Russia has expressed concerns that the U.S. missile shield might threaten its national security.

    Presently, Russia's Strategic Missile Forces reportedly have over 400 ICBMs, including 171 Topol (SS-25), 70 Topol-M (SS-27), and three RS-24 Yars missiles.


    http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20120508/173310124.html

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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  GarryB on Wed May 09, 2012 8:57 am

    With Bulava and Liner and Yars all in production there is no real urgent need right now for a new missile, but in the future if they want the capacity of greatly increasing numbers rapidly it will be useful.

    By 2022 it will be clear what the US is doing with its ABM shields all over the place and a decision can be taken.

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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  Sujoy on Mon May 21, 2012 8:43 am

    With the arrest of a former test engineer , who was exposed as a CIA spy , am not sure how much of the Bulava and other similar programs have been compromised .

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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  TR1 on Mon May 21, 2012 9:19 am

    Secrets get sold quite often, I wouldn't get too worried about this.
    A small leak doesn't affect the program very much, this guy wasn't a top employee or anything.

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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  Sujoy on Mon May 21, 2012 11:55 am

    TR1 wrote:Secrets get sold quite often, I wouldn't get too worried about this.
    A small leak doesn't affect the program very much, this guy wasn't a top employee or anything.

    Thanks TR1 . That's good to know . Coz , generally CIA will hire someone who is at the top of the pecking order . Once they obtain all the secrets they disavow them . That's how they obtained India's nuclear missile program secrets as well. Hopefully the number of traitors in Russia are far less than those here in India.

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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  Austin on Mon May 21, 2012 12:03 pm

    Sujoy wrote:Thanks TR1 . That's good to know . Coz , generally CIA will hire someone who is at the top of the pecking order . Once they obtain all the secrets they disavow them . That's how they obtained India's nuclear missile program secrets as well. Hopefully the number of traitors in Russia are far less than those here in India.

    When did that happen in India ,Can you throw more light on this topic ?

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    Post  Sujoy on Mon May 21, 2012 12:31 pm

    Austin wrote:When did that happen in India ,Can you throw more light on this topic ?

    Here you go , these should connect the dots .

    http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB187/IN01.pdf

    http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB187/index.htm

    http://therearenosunglasses.wordpress.com/2010/01/07/the-cias-previous-man-in-indias-raw-major-rabinder-singh/

    http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?224695

    http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-05-04/india/31572291_1_home-secretary-embassy-official-ministry

    http://desicritics.org/2007/09/02/011201.php

    For further insights you may read Jeffrey T Richelson's - "Spying On The Bomb "

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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  Austin on Mon May 21, 2012 12:53 pm

    Thanks for that Sujoy

    So you think our Nuclear program got compromised by CIA ? How come they didnt detect the 1999 test then ?

    Also do you feel RAW is compromised by CIA presently ?

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    Post  Sujoy on Mon May 21, 2012 1:21 pm

    Austin wrote:Thanks for that Sujoy

    So you think our Nuclear program got compromised by CIA ? How come they didnt detect the 1999 test then ?

    CIA is keeping a very close eye on our Nuclear program albeit for different reasons though. Their current job is to dissuade the Indian Govt. from buying nuclear reactors from France and Russia and procure them solely from the US. In this endeavour they are promoting NGO's to step up protests in those areas where non US nuclear power plants are coming up . The PM had also voiced a similar opinion recently.

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2924905.ece

    Also, Wikileaks had reported based on cables sent between US embassay staff based in India and Pakistan that Pakistan had more nuclear warheads at it's disposal than India .

    When Narashimha Rao was PM he had planned to carry out the Nuclear tests back in 1991, however a mole in his office informed the CIA and the US administration was able to exert enough pressure on Rao which discouraged him from carrying out the tests

    CIA satellites did detect the 1999 tests . Just that CIA/ MI6 didn't have prior information about the tests. The reason being apart from the PM, Chief of Army and A P J Abdul Kalam no one knew about the Gov't decision to carry out the tests . The decision was carried out at very short notice . Had they lingered , CIA would have been informed.

    Austin wrote:
    Also do you feel RAW is compromised by CIA presently ?

    Outlook magazine had carried out a detailed investigative report where they had questioned serious lapses on the part of the incumbent RAW chief .

    http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?264027

    The article raises serious questions about the nature of his visits to the US . The RAW chief himself has been unable to give a suitable clarification till date .

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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  Austin on Mon May 21, 2012 1:41 pm

    Sujoy , Thank You for your insight and its good to see fellow Indian on this board.

    Since what we discussed is much of OT lets take this on another thread.

    I have created a new thread and moved our post there

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t1946-indian-nuclear-program-foreign-penetration#19618

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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  Sujoy on Mon May 21, 2012 3:58 pm

    Austin wrote:Sujoy , Thank You for your insight and its good to see fellow Indian on this board.

    Since what we discussed is much of OT lets take this on another thread.

    I have created a new thread and moved our post there

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t1946-indian-nuclear-program-foreign-penetration#19618

    Appreciate your effort Austin . Many Thanks.

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    Post  Viktor on Mon May 21, 2012 6:18 pm

    TR1 wrote:Secrets get sold quite often, I wouldn't get too worried about this.
    A small leak doesn't affect the program very much, this guy wasn't a top employee or anything.

    During the Cuban crisis same leak occured. Some Russian missile engineer sold secrets about the missile deployed. But at the same time this guy went with its actions and KGB moved on with its acctions setting up false informations about the deployed missiles to that Russian guy who was giving it to CIA not knowing its false.

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    Post  GarryB on Tue May 22, 2012 9:35 am

    It is hard to tell sometimes if your source within the enemy system is a spy or a double agent... there will be many people leaking information about Russian stuff, but some will be doing it on the instructions of the FSB to find leaks... A security agency would be foolish to take the word of one traitor... the US is likely guilty of that in the Middle East where claims of knowledge of an Iranian nuclear weapons program mean the difference between a nice house in the US with a good job, or refugee status and fend for yourself.

    When they get information they will compare it with info from other sources... sometimes knowing what your enemy knows (because you planted it) can tell you more than knowing all their real secrets.

    Planting false information for different employees will mean finding out what the enemy knows will reveal the source of their information.

    It is a complicated game...

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    Post  coolieno99 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:44 am

    This could be a possible test launch of a new Russian IRBM/ICBM. At the end of its trajectory it went into a spiral path. Some claim it was a failure because of the spiral. Some claim it was a success because of the spiral.

    This is the link to the original source:

    http://www.rt.com/news/israel-ufo-missile-337/

    This is an edited commentary from Mr. A. Smith from the same source:


    The 3rd. Stage of the Bulova and now Topol Mobile Nuclear ICBM missiles finishing in a grand spiral fashion is directly related to totally throwing off USA ABM radar guided interceptors.

    While the ABM rams the finished 3rd. Stage, the MIRV'd delivery device goes on to flood a region with it's 10 MIRV'd warheads (Topol). Readers should immediately realise the same concept is used to ward off enemy torpedo's aimed at a another submarine, the dummy spins around creating a huge target for sonar and sensors to lock onto. The 3rd. Stage finishing death spiral flurry is the same concept on a much larger scale stating 'here I am' to the ABM interceptor. ...

    ... The Russian mobile ICBM Topol missile test was a total success. For nearly 20 years now Russian Strategic Missile engineers have spun the 3rd. stages of their solid fueled ICBM's to enable them to impact into target zones shorter than their normal 6,000km range.

    This occurs thru a very precise and intricate dance of opening vectors in opposite thrust nozzles in the 3rd. stage boosters to slow them down as well as bleed off fuel while accurately delivering the MIRV'd 10 nuclear warhead payloads .... The target impact was a mere 2,000km from it's launch site which the Russians deliberately chose to duplicate near identical extremely fast ICBM boost trajectory to terminal stage down to impact (still under boost) ... The Russian test resulted in a very steep trajectory to get up to full ICBM speed without overshooting the target zone traveling a lot higher than normal and then headed back down towards the target zone while still thrusting.

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    Post  George1 on Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:39 pm

    Russia to create new ICBM by 2018

    Russia is due to create a new heavy intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) by 2018, Strategic Missile Forces commander Sergei Karakayev said on Monday.

    “Construction of the missile is ongoing,” he said. “It is to be completed by 2018.”

    The new missile is to replace the R-36M2 Voyevoda (NATO reporting name SS-18 Satan) missile.

    So far all of Russia’s recent ICBM projects, both sea-launched (Bulava) and ground-based (Topol-M, Yars), have been solid fuel.

    Karakayev said the new ICBM will have a launch mass of around 100 tons with a better payload-launch weight ratio than in a solid fuel missile. Such ICBMs can only be deployed in silos.

    Earlier, the Russian Defense Ministry said that if the United States went ahead with its missile-defense-in-Europe plans, Moscow would respond in kind by notably creating a new sophisticated ICBM.

    http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_09_03/Russia-to-create-new-ICBM-by-2018-official/

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    Post  Viktor on Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:34 pm

    Its being in the pipeline for at least 5 years now, just as new attack nuclear submarine and only now and than something pops out.


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    Post  George1 on Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:50 pm

    By 2018, Russia will design and build a new heavy intercontinental ballistic missile, as part of its asymmetric response to the deployment of the US anti-missile defense system, head of Russia’s Strategic Missile Forces Colonel General Sergey Karakayev said. The new silo-based ICBM will replace the R-36M2 ‘Voyevoda’ missile (known to NATO as the SS-18 ‘Satan’).

    For the first time the plans on producing the new heavy missile which was to replace SS-18 Satan missile were voiced as early as 2010. Now the implementation of this plan is linked with political factors, first of all with the progress of the US-Russia talks on ABM. That is why experts and mass media began to see the new missile as Russia’s response on the US deployment of its ABM.

    So far it has been decided that lighter missiles, first of all the RS-24 Yars missiles will form the core of Russia’s Strategic Missile Forces, Igor Korotchenko, chief editor of the “National Defense” journal says.

    "I think solid-fueled RS 24 Yars both silo deployed and of mobile basing will form the mainstream line for the development of Russia’s strategic nuclear forces and namely their ground component. They must be the core of the Strategic forces for the next 50-60 years. As for the new liquid fueled ballistic missile its fate will depend on the results of the talks between Russia and the US on ABM and on the economic situation. Will Russia be able to finance liquid and solid fueled missiles at the same time?"

    Alongside the economic factors it is necessary to take into account whether it is rational or not to produce such a missile. Some experts believe that silo-based intercontinental missiles both light and heavy oneshave become too vulnerable for high-accuracy weapons. We hear from General Mayor Vladimir Dvorkin, an expert at the Institute of the World Economy and International Relations.

    "I think it is not reasonable to develop a new site fixed and liquid fueled missile. In the armament system it can be used only for the initial strike or, as a last resort, as a counter attack. I see this scenario as absurd with regard to the main nuclear powers which are Russia, the US, China, France and the UK. This missile is not suitable for a retaliatory strike because it has a very low viability. It is vulnerable to all missile defense weapons."

    In this situation experts conclude that the deployment of a new group of silo based missiles is grounded only in one case: if the US begins to speed up the deployment of its ABM system which can threaten Russia’s nuclear potential. But this scenario is possible only if the parties return to the state of the Cold war which is very unlikely today.

    http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_09_04/What-will-replace-SS-Satan-18-missile/

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    Post  Sujoy on Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:47 pm

    RIA NOVOSTI

    New Russian ICBM Can Carry Bigger Warhead

    Russia’s new heavy intercontinental ballistic missile will have a 5-ton warhead, which is four times that of its predecessors, a former military commander said on Friday.
    “The new ICBM will have a payload four times bigger than that of the Yars missile,” said Col. Gen. Viktor Yesin (Ret.), advisor to the Russian Strategic Missile Forces (SMF) commander, who served as SMF chief of staff in 1991-93.
    “The 45-ton Yars has a payload of 1.2 tons. The new missile will be able to orbit a payload of 5 tons.”
    The new missile will have a greater capability for missile defense penetration, he said.



    SMF chief Col. Gen. Sergei Karakayev said this past Monday that Russia will build a new ICBM by 2018. The new missile is to replace the R-36M2 Voyevoda (NATO reporting name SS-18 Satan) missile.
    So far all of Russia’s recent ICBM projects, both sea-launched (Bulava) and ground-based (Topol-M, Yars), have been solid fuel.

    Karakayev said the new ICBM will have a launch mass of around 100 tons with a better payload-launch weight ratio than in a solid fuel missile.

    Such ICBMs can only be deployed in silos.
    The Russian Defense Ministry previously said that unless the United States abandons its plans to create a missile defense system in Europe, Russia will take counter measures, including building a new heavy liquid-propellant missile.

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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  Firebird on Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:28 pm

    Some of the reporting it that article is a bit baffling to me.
    1st, well if its launched a reasonable distance inside Russia, I cant see how its likely to be intercepted in the boost phase, if solid fuel rockets cant be intercepted.
    (BTW yes, I know liquid fuel rockets have a longer boost stage, but on current technology, I still cant see the US hitting a missile 1200 km inside Russia in boost phase).
    2nd, does it have to be silo launched and not vehicle launched?
    3rd could it be a hybrid missile eg some stages liquid, others solid fuel?

    Finally, once again I wonder, why the hell does Russia spend billions on negotiating the US nonsense. Wouldnt it make sense to base shorter range missiles in Cuba, Venezuela and friendly West Indian states too?

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