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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  Viktor on Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:37 pm

    Since the day I first read about Sarmation (name was not known back than only as a heavy liquid fuel ICBM) and that was during 2008 the date has not moved.

    It will take 10 years from the first word till serial production to introduce worlds most powerful ICBM and the date has not shifted since than - well done thumbsup

    Serial deliveries of ICBMs "Sarmat" will begin in the 2018-2019 years

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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  George1 on Fri Jun 26, 2015 1:33 pm

    Prototype of Russia’s new heavy ballistic missile delayed for several months — source

    The warhead will have a mass of ten tons. Its likely flight paths towards potential targets will lie over the North or South Pole

    MOSCOW, June 26. /TASS/. A prototype of the Sarmat heavy intercontinental ballistic missile will be built no earlier than in October, and not June as was planned earlier, a source in the military-industrial complex told TASS on Friday.

    "According to the adjusted schedule, a prototype of Sarmat will be ready at the end of September or beginning of October. The red line that cannot be crossed is the end of October," the source said.

    Another source in the military-industrial complex told TASS earlier that a prototype of the new missile will be ready in May or June.

    More than 60% of the missile’s element have already been manufactured at the Krasnoyarsk Machine-Building Plant, the source said. "The plant is doing its work, it all now depends on whether contractors will deliver components on time," the source added. Individual components and assemblies, including engines, are now undergoing production tests, he noted.

    In 2016 the phase of flight tests will begin, a source in the defense industry told TASS earlier. The purpose is to check the operation of the powder pressure accumulator and the missile’s operation during liftoff and immediately after it leaves the silo.

    "The prototype will have precisely the same size and mass as the future combat version. Instead of a MIRV warhead the prototype will carry a dummy. The booster will not be turned on. Sarmat will rise several dozen meters above the silo to fall nearby," the source said.

    On February 21, Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov said Sarmat will have several configurations. The warhead will have a mass of ten tons. Its likely flight paths towards potential targets will lie over the North or South Pole.

    The new-generation liquid propellant ICBM Sarmat is to replace the world’s largest strategic missile R-36M2 Voyevoda, which is close to the life cycle expiration date. Earlier, strategic missile force commander Sergey Karakayev said the strategic missile Sarmat was being developed by a group of defense industry enterprises under the Makeyev State Missile Center.


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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  victor1985 on Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:30 pm

    A ICBM could have a outside barrel that sent gamma rays in near area such that burn any missile that approach that has a hole for antenna.

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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:21 pm

    victor1985 wrote:A ICBM could have a outside barrel that sent gamma rays in near area such that burn any missile that approach that has a hole for antenna.

    Time of Exposure is the key, not enough time for hypersonic missiles to get fried by "gamma rays", regardless off how much radiation you can achieve. If you can fry a incoming SAM/TABM/ABM missile several hundred meters away from your ICBM, then your ICBM would fry itself to dust before it would had any effect on incoming missile.

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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  victor1985 on Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:22 pm

    How would that a ICBM to be push with lasers? Its like this : a laser would push in a material at the head end of missile. Like some aircrafts stops by put something in the face of flame from engine

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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  victor1985 on Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:23 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    victor1985 wrote:A ICBM could have a outside barrel that sent gamma rays in near area such that burn any missile that approach that has a hole for antenna.

    Time of Exposure is the key, not enough time for hypersonic missiles to get fried by "gamma rays", regardless off how much radiation you can achieve. If you can fry a incoming SAM/TABM/ABM missile several hundred meters away from your ICBM, then your ICBM would fry itself to dust before it would had any effect on incoming missile.
    The ICBM is heavy enough to carry 1 tone of lead to protect the electronics

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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:33 pm

    victor1985 wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    victor1985 wrote:A ICBM could have a outside barrel that sent gamma rays in near area such that burn any missile that approach that has a hole for antenna.

    Time of Exposure is the key, not enough time for hypersonic missiles to get fried by "gamma rays", regardless off how much radiation you can achieve. If you can fry a incoming SAM/TABM/ABM missile several hundred meters away from your ICBM, then your ICBM would fry itself to dust before it would had any effect on incoming missile.
    The ICBM is heavy enough to carry 1 tone of lead to protect the electronics

    That would be hell of a waste off potential payload not to mention how much more fuel you would need for 1t Lead for anti-radiaiton + the hundreds of kg off equipment that can radiate enough gamma to actually fry incoming SAM/TABM/ABM missiles within  milliseconds before they reach proximity detonation range to the ICBM. effective zick-zack flight trajectory in near to end homing phase already achieves the purpose off missleading SAM's and ABM's from hitting your missile and the countermeasures weight far less than a Gamma radiator.

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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  victor1985 on Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:59 pm

    Maibe...but would be the most secure ICBM. Think that SAMs are now close to outerspace. And they can maneuver too. Think to lasers in sattelites. Think also that ICBM are also intercepted in their final stage! When no evasive is possible. Or too less. The warhead could simply drop without having any comunication with something will have map computer and gyroscope and fly with correcting the path. Will receive its target place before being thrown by ICBM. And the radioactive barrel would fry enemy missiles.

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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  victor1985 on Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:20 am

    Think like this: you dont necessary put lead on ICBM. You can use something else that is dense than lead. If at half of weight has double or higher resistance to gamma then is excellent. Now think that the enemy must put too some materials to protect the missile wich add weight so the ratio of speed between ICBM and enemy missile will remain. And think that always must be a hole on them to comunicate. They cant put video cause the ICBM would still have speed of 15 mach wich is too fast for any video. If they make large vehicles like spacex or so that would mean lot of protection wich reduce speed enough.

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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  George1 on Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:27 am

    Russia to start tests of new heavy intercontinental missile in 18-24 months — official


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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  George1 on Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:13 am

    Article on the development of promising liquid ICBM program "Sarmat"


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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  max steel on Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:11 pm

    Tests of Russia's new Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missile may start in 2016 — source

    The Sarmat ICBM, with an operational range of no less than 5,500 kilometres will replace the world’s largest strategic missile Voyevoda (NATO reporting name - Satan)

    Tests of Russia’s newest heavy intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) Sarmat may begin in early 2016, a source in the Russian defense industry told TASS on Wednesday.

    "The drop tests may begin early next year," the source said.He also confirmed that the missile’s prototype would be created before the end of this year.
    Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said previously that tests of the Sarmat ICBM would be held this year, and "the first elements" of the missile have been made at the Krasnoyarsk machine building plant. According to Borisov, there will be several Sarmat versions. The missile’s re-entry vehicle will weigh 10 tonnes and will be able to hit targets flying both through the North and South Poles.

    The Sarmat ICBM, with an operational range of no less than 5,500 kilometres will replace the world’s largest strategic missile Voyevoda (NATO reporting name - Satan) between 2018 and 2020. As the technical specifications are currently unknown, the missile has been designated as heavy. According to the classification of the START treaties, a heavy missile is a missile weighing more than 105 tonnes. Satan is 211 tonnes in bulk and has a payload of 8.7 tonnes.

    Russia’s defense industry is extending the Voyevoda missile’s service life until the Sarmat is made operational.

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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  max steel on Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:15 pm

    Russia makes prototype of new ballistic missile, tests planned for spring 2016


    The mass of the Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missile's warhead is 10 tons, and it's capable of destroying targets flying across both the North and South Pole.

    Russia has made a prototype of a new intercontinental ballistic missile named Sarmat, its drop and flight tests at the Plesetsk space center are planned for the spring-summer 2016, a source in the military-industrial complex told TASS on Tuesday.

    The Sarmat ICBM prototype, according to the source, was made a few months later than planned. Despite this, he added, the timeframe for the new missile’s putting intro service has not changed — late 2018.

    "The Krasnoyarsk Machine Building Plant has manufactured 100% structural elements of the missile and the plant continues tests of its individual components and units. The beginning of Sarmat’s drop tests depends on the time of the reconfiguration of the silo at the Plesetsk site, which will be used for testing. The conversion is to be completed by March 2016, and the first drop test of the missile is planned or the same month," the source said.

    According to him, if the tests are successful, there will be no more drop tests. "The beginning of the Sarmat ICBM flight tests should be expected in July-August 2016," the source said, adding that under the usual procedure, the time interval between the two types of tests is three to four months.
    The Sarmat tests’ have been rescheduled, because of the decision to transfer the tests from the Baikonur spaceport (Kazakhstan) to Plesetsk in Russia’s northwest and the need to reequip for Sarmat the old launcher, which was used to test the Voyevoda missile (R-36M2, in service since 1988).
    Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said previously that the mass of the Sarmat ICBM warhead is 10 tons, and the missile is capable of destroying targets flying across both the North and South Pole. The Sarmat ICBM that is to replace the Voyevoda, will be created in several versions, Borisov said.

    The Sarmat heavy ICBM was co-developed by NPO Mashinostroyeniya in Reutov (Moscow Region) and the Makeyev State Missile Centre in Miass. According to the developers, the advanced Sarmat will weigh within 100 tonnes. According to Yuri Borisov, its range will exceed 11,000 km. The cutting-edge missile is designed as a successor to the world’s largest and most formidable ballistic missile, the RS-20V Voyevoda, weighing 210 tonnes and carrying 10 individually targeted warheads 750 kilotons each.



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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:21 pm

    A prototype of the latest ballistic missile "Sarmat" is assembled,


    http://lenta.ru/news/2015/11/17/sarmat/


    A prototype of the latest ballistic missile "Sarmat" is made, according to Tass, citing a source in the military-industrial complex. According to the source, throwing and flight tests at the Plesetsk space center planned for the spring-summer 2016.

    "Krasnoyarsk Machine-Building Plant manufactured 100 percent of design elements missile tests at the plant continues its individual components and assemblies," - said the source.

    He added that the beginning of the throwing test "Sarmat" depends on the conversion of silo at Plesetsk, which will be used for the tests. Work on the modification of the installation is scheduled for completion by March 2016.

    Interlocutor Tass noted that, if successful, more than throwing the test will not be carried out. "The beginning of flight tests," Sarmat "legitimate expectation in July-August 2016", - he added.

    Strategic missile complex "Sarmat" replace Soviet-built complexes R-36M2 "Voivod" with heavy missiles 15A18M. Features a rocket "Sarmat" were not disclosed, but it is called hard, and the military said that the payload of the rocket will be about 10 tons. According to the classification of contracts on the reduction of strategic offensive arms, "heavy" is considered to be a rocket weighing over 105 tons. For comparison: the missile complex "Voivod" weighs 211 tons and is 8.7 tons of payload.

    The missile will have the necessary power capabilities to deliver the combat burden not only on the optimal path, but from unexpected angles (including delivery units via the South Pole), this greatly complicates the organization of anti-missile defense.according to Tass, citing a source in the military-industrial complex. According to the source, throwing and flight tests at the Plesetsk space center planned for the spring-summer 2016.

    "Krasnoyarsk Machine-Building Plant manufactured 100 percent of design elements missile tests at the plant continues its individual components and assemblies," - said the source.

    He added that the beginning of the throwing test "Sarmat" depends on the conversion of silo at Plesetsk, which will be used for the tests. Work on the modification of the installation is scheduled for completion by March 2016.

    Interlocutor Tass noted that, if successful, more than throwing the test will not be carried out. "The beginning of flight tests," Sarmat "legitimate expectation in July-August 2016", - he added.

    Strategic missile complex "Sarmat" replace Soviet-built complexes R-36M2 "Voivod" with heavy missiles 15A18M. Features a rocket "Sarmat" were not disclosed, but it is called hard, and the military said that the payload of the rocket will be about 10 tons. According to the classification of contracts on the reduction of strategic offensive arms, "heavy" is considered to be a rocket weighing over 105 tons. For comparison: the missile complex "Voivod" weighs 211 tons and is 8.7 tons of payload.

    The missile will have the necessary power capabilities to deliver the combat burden not only on the optimal path, but from unexpected angles (including delivery units via the South Pole), this greatly complicates the organization of anti-missile defense.

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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:05 pm

    SRF: the development of a heavy missile complex "Sarmat" is completed

    MOSCOW/VLASIKHA (Moscow region), 16 Jan — RIA Novosti. Development work on the development of a new Russian heavy strategic missile complex "Sarmat" is completed, said on Wednesday at a press conference commander of the strategic missile forces of Russia the General-Colonel Sergey Karakaev.
    "We can confidently say about the readiness of the Patriotic cooperation of industry to the creation and supply in the required quantities to the troops of the missile complex "YARS" and completion of trial KONSTRUKTORSKOE work on the development of the complex "Sarmat", karakayev said.


    РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20151216/1343031997.html#ixzz3uULWsYI9


    Karakaev: the complex "Sarmat" I want to experience at the Plesetsk cosmodrome

    MOSCOW/VLASIKHA (Moscow region), 16 Jan – RIA Novosti. spymania new Russian strategic missile complex "Sarmat" are planned for the Plesetsk cosmodrome, said Wednesday at a press conference commander of the strategic missile forces of Russia the General-Colonel Sergey Karakaev.
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    "Tests of the newest missile systems are conducted at the Kapustin Yar (Astrakhan region) and the Plesetsk cosmodrome. But, really, for tests of missile complex "Sarmat" we plan to use the cosmodrome Plesetsk (Arkhangelsk region). Along with this, North of the space harbour is widely used by us on various testing topics related to the Republic of Kazakhstan "YARS"", karakayev said.
    He recalled that the test firings of strategic missile forces conducted across three tracks: "Plesetsk combat field Kura (Kamchatka Peninsula)", "Dombarovsky (Orenburg region) – combat field Kura", "Kapustin Yar — Balkhash".
    The General said, work on the creation of the "Sarmatian" go "in accordance with the planned terms".
    The basis of grouping of strategic missile forces stationary bases are complexes with missiles "heavy" (RS-20V "Voevoda", NATO classification — "Satan") and "light" (RS-18 ("Stille"), RS-12M2 ("Topol-M") classes.
    In the grouping of mobile home movable ground missile complexes "Topol" missile RS-12M "Topol-M" missile RS-12M2 monobloc equipment and mobile systems "YARS" missile RS-MR and MIRV warheads in fixed units and mobile home.


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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  Austin on Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:31 pm

    Interview commander of the Strategic Missile Forces appointment of Colonel-General Sergei Karakayev.


    "Sarmat" replace "Voivode"

    http://vpk-news.ru/articles/28908

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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  max steel on Sun Feb 28, 2016 10:09 pm

    First tests of the Sarmat ICBM (pop-up tests from a silo) are late for some months

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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri May 06, 2016 2:42 pm

    The strategic missile forces for the first time announced the future deployment of new missiles "Sarmat"


    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160506/1427740458.html

    MOSCOW, may 6 — RIA Novosti. Heavy strategic missile complex "Sarmat" will replace the complexes "Governor" in Uzhurskaya division and the Dombarovsky missile launching area, said Friday the commander of the strategic Missile forces of Russia Colonel-General Sergei Karakayev.

    "Speaking about prospects, it is necessary to note that already completed the development of missile complex "Sarmat" silo-based heavy missile, which will replace the "Governor" in Gorkogo missile division and the Dombarovsky missile launching area," he said.

    Thus, the strategic missile forces for the first time revealed the future deployment of new Russian strategic missiles.



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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  Arrow on Sat May 07, 2016 11:05 am

    Why Russia is use on the new heavy ICBM liquid fuel? All modern ICBM use solid fuel motor. Liquid fuel is toxic and more dangerous. Russia has modern solid fuel technology like Yars, heavy RT-23, RS-26.

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    Post  max steel on Sat May 07, 2016 3:19 pm

    Arrow wrote:Why Russia is use on the new heavy ICBM liquid fuel? All modern ICBM use solid fuel motor. Liquid fuel is toxic and more dangerous. Russia has modern solid fuel technology like Yars, heavy RT-23, RS-26.

    liquid propellants are generally more powerful than solid fuels.And as safe as any highly explosive liquid can be within a confined space.

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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  Arrow on Sat May 07, 2016 3:46 pm

    Probably throw weight on RS-28 Sarmat is about 4 tons. This missile weight about 100 tons. RT-23 with solid fuel motor weight 105 tons and has throw weight 4 ton and carry 10 MIRV. USA MX missile weight 88 tons and carry about 4 tons throw weight.

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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  GarryB on Sun May 08, 2016 8:23 am

    Instead of wasting 1 ton of performance with lead... why not use one ton of titanium as shielding the most vulnerable parts of the warhead... by the time the missile gets within range of any SAM the three stages of rocket are already burned out and have fallen away... on a MIRVed missile that leaves the missile bus that needs protection... on a MaRVed missile each warhead could have its own armour to protect it from missile fragments.

    Obviously the best defence is have a proximity radar on board the warheads so any detected incoming threat will set off the warhead... if the enemy wants to try to shoot down incoming missiles they can deal with the EMP from the first missile and while blind have the remaining warheads come down on their targets.


    And yes... liquid propellants are the most powerful... that is why they are also used for the space programme.

    And BTW solid fuel rockets are not perfect... the biggest Soviet accident loading missiles into submarines involved a solid propellent SS-N-20 being loaded into an Akula sub... later nicknamed Red October because of the damage the fire caused on its outer hull.

    Liquid propellant rockets contain concentrated fuels and concentrated oxygen sources to burn those concentrated fuels. They contain those chemicals in separate tanks. In a solid fuel rocket those same chemicals are stored together in solid form.

    The thing is that with a liquid fuelled rocket you can load it into the sub or onto the aircraft and then fuel it up in place... much safer and easier to handle.


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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  Viktor on Sun May 08, 2016 11:53 am

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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  Viktor on Sun May 08, 2016 11:58 am

    Arrow wrote:Probably throw weight on RS-28 Sarmat is about 4 tons. This missile weight about 100 tons. RT-23 with solid fuel motor weight 105 tons and has throw weight 4 ton and carry 10 MIRV. USA MX missile weight 88 tons and carry about 4 tons throw weight.

    Larger throw weight than SS-18. 10t.

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    Post  Arrow on Sun May 08, 2016 12:24 pm

    Some of the sources said that 4 tons.

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