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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  max steel on Mon May 09, 2016 1:46 pm

    @Mag:- They're always sloppy. Btw they meant US southern most state can blow away too.

    Sarmat to be deployed in Uzhur and Dombarovskiy

    The commander of the Strategic Rocket Forces, Sergey Karakayev, confirmed today that the new Sarmat missile will be deployed "with the Uzhur missile division and in the Dombarovskiy deployment area (позиционный район)." This is not exactly the news - there are not very many bases that can accommodate the new missile.

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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  Arrow on Mon May 09, 2016 5:38 pm

    l. A liquid fuel missile of the same size class is replacing the Vojevoda and for some reason its payload is only half? Seriously? wrote:

    Yeas because R-36M2 weight about 200 ton. Sarmat will be weight about 100 tons. Understand?


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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  max steel on Sat May 14, 2016 1:52 am

    The figures for this missile seem to be all over the place. Based on the weight, it looks like a one for one modern replacement for the SS-19. However, the 10 ton throw weight and ability to approach from over the south pole would require a missile the size of the SS-18, with significant improvements. I have also read in numerous places that Sarmat will use 4 modernized RD-274 engines, which is the same engine configuration used by the SS-18 and would require a diameter of 3 meters (wider than the SS-19). Obviously some deliberate misinformation to keep people guessing. So perhaps Sarmat would only use 2 engines if it is indeed 100-105 tonnes? However that configuration (the same as the Titan II) is not typical of Russian designs and is less efficient in terms of use of space. (all current liquid fuel Russian ICBM's/SLBM's use 4 chambers). I am really anticipating some hard data on this missile.

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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  Vann7 on Tue May 24, 2016 2:14 am

    Arrow wrote:

    Yeas because R-36M2 weight about 200 ton. Sarmat will be weight about 100 tons. Understand?



    Russia is using Liquid Propulsion engines in their Sarmat for the simple reason , they have much
    faster acceleration ,much faster propulsion that solid rocket engines like the ones in Trident missiles launched from Ohio submarines or Minuteman dinosaurs from the 70s launched from Land that are the backbone of Americans nuclear deterrence.   So they use liquid engine simply as an extra defense measure for their missiles ,so their quick fast acceleration speed makes it more difficult to intercept them. Contrary to some uninformed people opinions that you might see at times, Speed is extremely critical in any serious nuclear deterrence against the Americans specially for Russia because do not have any military base anywhere near the eastern coast anywhere near washtington DC where American most important leadership are located. Perhaps is a good time for Russia to deploy super long range Kalibr missiles in Cuba again. with a major submarine base there.

    The only thing however im curious is about the warheads of the Sarmat missile. About whether If each warhead of the sarmat missile also have independent propulsion engines each, and some people suggested or if speed and their motion is conditioned to the momentum gained from the main carrier sarmat rocket.  perhaps the question is more like whats the different between Sarmat warheads vs the previous missile Satan warheads that it will replace ,in terms of motion. since they both missiles have independent warheads and have been said to target separate targets.

    THis is an animation of the so called Satan missile ,the way NATO calls it..



    and havent found any of the Sarmat. Wondering what new capabilities the warheads will now have in navigation and propulsion if any.

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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  JohninMK on Tue May 24, 2016 12:39 pm

    Is it normal Russian practice to change both ends of a big missile at the same time or do they carry forward parts to the next generation?

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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  Austin on Fri May 27, 2016 7:54 pm

    RS-28 Sarmat – Formidable Weapon to Counter US PGS and BMD Plans

    http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/05/13/rs-28-samrat-formidable-weapon-counter-us-pgs-and-bmd-plans.html
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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  Viktor on Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:17 pm

    About Yu-71 hypersonic glider Sarmat will carry

    Reportedly, the gliders are developed to be loaded onto Russia's RS-28 Sarmat (SS-X-30 by NATO classification) — the state-of-the-art heavy liquid-propelled intercontinental ballistic missiles which are currently being developed for the Russian army.
    Designed to carry up to 24 nuclear-loaded Yu-74 gliders, each Sarmat ballistic missile will be able to hit any target located within a 6.2 thousand mile radius in one hour.
    Each Yu-74 glider can be equipped with a nuclear warhead, electronic warfare (EW) applications or false target simulators.

    http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160611/1041185729/russia-hypersonic-glider.html

    Laughing Laughing 1 Sarmat = up to 24 Yu-71 glider with nuclear warhead


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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  Austin on Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:22 pm

    I won't take those unnamed analysis too seriously , does not make sense , what ever these tested on SS-19 was certainly heavy enough to be loaded into space by Ss-19 and voluminous enough too.

    I read 3 of those can be carried by Data may that makes sense
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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  GarryB on Mon Jun 13, 2016 8:11 am

    Is it normal Russian practice to change both ends of a big missile at the same time or do they carry forward parts to the next generation?

    Depends who is making it.

    In this case the new missile is a liquid propellent rocket of new design so I suspect it has nothing in common with recent missiles developed... which have been solid propellant and developed by a different company.


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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  max steel on Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:02 pm

    SS-19 will carry Yu-71 glider not Sarmat. Sarmat is a whole new gen of ICBM. Sputnik is pulling fantasies as far as reported there is only one glider Yu-71 not Yu-74 basically they are confusing their names. Someone is calling it Yu-74 others are calling it Yu-71 but in actual there is only one glider, see the successful test reported both the gliders used same SS-19 on same day.
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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jun 14, 2016 10:24 am

    The Russians have no need of some death glider they will use to murder people around the world within 90 minutes.

    Therefore I suspect these hypersonic gliders will be used for another purpose... and the most obvious as a replacement warhead bus for ICBMs and SLBMs to evade ABM systems of all types.

    Therefore I would suggest that in the future these gliders wont just be launched from the top of SS-19s... especially considering the SS-19s are being withdrawn from service anyway.

    This is just a useful way of using up SS-19 rockets.

    Ultimately these gliders will be on the nose tips of Russian ICBMs including Samaratian to accurately deliver nuclear warheads while evading ABM systems over Europe and the US.


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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  George1 on Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:10 pm

    Russia Preparing to Test-Fly Advanced Sarmat ICBMs russia

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20160701/1042273447/russia-sarmat-icbm-tests.html


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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  gaurav on Sat Jul 02, 2016 11:12 am

    In some russian articles there seems to be a mix up (confusion ) between RS-26 , RS-24 YARS , and under development yars-M.

    Project 4202 is only intended for Sarmat. There are no other indications that it will be placed on other missiles like YARS-M(RS??)  , YARS and RS-26 .
    These missiles are undergoing separate development roadmaps.
    YARS-M missile is supposed to be for Barguzin rail based ICBM system.
    From my point of view development of Sarmat has increased due to teh successful  test of SATAN SS-19 missile from Dombarovsky.

    Russia has also decreased the no of missile tests due to the increased U.S reconnaissance satellites.

    The weight of so called 4202 aircraft could be around 4-5 tons. By thats all we know.
    This aircraft would be too large to be carried by solid fueled missiles RS-26, YARS or YARS-M.
    But then this is my over all guess.


    Some jokes ..
    If that is the logic then 4202 can be placed in smerch or may be kalashnikov. I am also surprised at teh way media has started writing things.
    During times of Obama administration the world media has totally gone out of control and started printing all non sense things which have no relevance all together. Obama admin trying to hide their war crimes from their own people have been forcing mind controlled (madness and choas) into media articles.
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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  Viktor on Sat Jul 02, 2016 5:18 pm

    From SouthFront about Sarmat thumbsup

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGfYXlYyCxc
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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Jul 03, 2016 1:11 am

    Russia May Test-Fire Its Most Powerful Ballistic Missile Sarmat Near Hawaii



    “As a rule, our missiles were tested using Plesetsk — Kura trajectory or Baikonur — Kura. The range of such a flight does not exceed 7,000 kilometers, while many of our missiles on tactical and technical characteristics fly well over 12,000 kilometers. In this case, our military must fire from the north to the area near the Hawaiian Islands. The test is difficult, but it is necessary,” Esin explained.

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20160702/1042345055/russia-text-missile-sarmat.html


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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  Werewolf on Sun Jul 03, 2016 8:09 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Russia May Test-Fire Its Most Powerful Ballistic Missile Sarmat Near Hawaii



    “As a rule, our missiles were tested using Plesetsk — Kura trajectory or Baikonur — Kura. The range of such a flight does not exceed 7,000 kilometers, while many of our missiles on tactical and technical characteristics fly well over 12,000 kilometers. In this case, our military must fire from the north to the area near the Hawaiian Islands. The test is difficult, but it is necessary,” Esin explained.

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20160702/1042345055/russia-text-missile-sarmat.html


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    Now they can monitor US submarines procedure and sonar beacon position.
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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Jul 03, 2016 1:35 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Russia May Test-Fire Its Most Powerful Ballistic Missile Sarmat Near Hawaii



    “As a rule, our missiles were tested using Plesetsk — Kura trajectory or Baikonur — Kura. The range of such a flight does not exceed 7,000 kilometers, while many of our missiles on tactical and technical characteristics fly well over 12,000 kilometers. In this case, our military must fire from the north to the area near the Hawaiian Islands. The test is difficult, but it is necessary,” Esin explained.

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20160702/1042345055/russia-text-missile-sarmat.html


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    Now they can monitor US submarines procedure and sonar beacon position.

    I am sure Hawaii is not random location, monitorign might be one of objectives. Second I guess food for thoughts for Muricans.
    Can you imagine this "Russia progressive, Putin unstable headings" home next test will be close to East Coast to make Us elites think twice...)

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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  Vann7 on Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:39 am



    sarmat report.. interesting one.

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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  Benya on Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:05 pm

    News about the Sarmat missile's launch tests to be postponed to later this year

    Source: throwing test "Sarmat" is shifted to the end of the year

    20 July, 9:07 UTC + 3
    The reason - in the problems with the tests of the first stage of the engine, according to Tass source in the military-industrial complex

    MOSCOW, July 20. / TASS /. Throwing test prototype of a new Russian heavy intercontinental ballistic missile "Sarmat" postponed to the end of 2016 because of problems with the engine firing test of the first stage. This was reported by TASS source in the military-industrial complex.


    "During the fire tests of the propulsion system of the first stage revealed some technical problems, which do not allow to successfully complete the tests," - a spokesman said.

    According to him, behind schedule for "Sarmat" it is now a few months. "Now throwing tests must take place flight tests in November-December this year." Sarmat "will begin no earlier than the end of I quarter 2017," - he added. Throwing tests should confirm the performance of the whole structure, "Sarmat".

    According to the source, mine launcher at the Plesetsk test site, where a prototype must pass throw, completely ready. "The old mine at Plesetsk used to test" Voivod ", has long been upgraded and is ready to launch," - said the agency.

    TASS has no official confirmation of this information.

    The fact that the tests of the prototype "Sarmat" will take place from Plesetsk, previously said the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces, Sergei Karakayev.

    "Sarmat" is intended to replace the R-36M2 "Voivod". As expected, the payload of the new missile will reach 10 tons compared to about 8.75 tons of its predecessor. Adopt a new rocket is scheduled for late 2018.



    More on TASS:

    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/3470075
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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  Benya on Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:27 pm

    Now that is a true "doomsday weapon"


    Sarmat ICBM: 8 Megatons at Hypersonic Speeds, Arriving 2 Years Ahead of Schedule

    On Monday, a defense industry official told Russian media that the mass production of the RS-28 Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missile, a new multi-warhead, super-heavy missile designed to defeat anti-missile systems, would begin in 2018, two years ahead of schedule. Defense analyst Vladimir Tuchkov explains what made this possible.

    The Sarmat, being developed by the Makeyev Rocket Design Bureau in the city of Miass, just east of the Ural Mountains, will replace the RS-36, a family of ICBMs and space launch vehicles that entered service in the 1970s and 1980s.

    Featuring a large payload capacity, the heavy missile is expected to carry up to 10 heavy warheads, or 16 lighter ones, or a combination of warheads and countermeasures meant at overwhelming enemy missile defenses.

    Most concerning to foreign defense observers is the prospect of the Sarmat being armed with Project 4202, a hypersonic glider which, after separating from its ICBM launch vehicle, will be able to accelerate to speeds between Mach 7 and Mach 12, acting like a hypersonic cruise missile, and capable of maneuvering to overcome any existing or prospective missile defense to reach its target.

    The Sarmat missile, whose development began in 2009, has been touted as Russia's response to US projects including the Prompt Global Strike initiative, and as well the effort to deploy missile defense near Russia's borders. If nothing else, Moscow hopes that the new missile and its payload will deter US efforts to gain strategic superiority over Moscow, or, in the worst case scenario, to launch a surprise attack on Russia.

    "Russia's Strategic Missile Forces initially expected the arrival of the first parties of the new missile by 2020, in accordance with the state's defense program to the year 2020.  But on Monday, a source within the Russian military industrial complex told Russian media that "the first Sarmats will be introduced to the Strategic Missile Forces no later than 2019, and most likely – in 2018."

    Commenting on the news, Vladimir Tuchkov, military analyst and contributor to the independent online newspaper Svobodnaya Pressa, emphasized that the quickened pace of development was made possible by the modernization of the industrial base at the Krasnoyarsk Machine-Building Plant, where the production of the Sarmat missile is set to take place.

    Thankfully, Tuchkov added, the modernization of the enterprise's production capabilities came at a very timely moment, in view of the deterioration of relations between Russia and the NATO bloc, led by the United States. "The new missile will be a powerful deterrent, significantly outperforming all existing carriers of nuclear weapons," the analyst noted.

    At the same time, the analyst pointed out that at the moment, Russia's silo-based, liquid fueled R-36M2, Voyevoda (NATO codename SS-18 Satan), an upgraded variant of the R-36, is still the most powerful weapon in its class. "Among the land, sea and air-based weapons on both sides of the Atlantic, there is nothing even close to reaching its combat capabilities. It's no coincidence that NATO assigned it such an appropriate name – the 'Satan'.

    " The R-36M2, developed after Ronald Reagan announced his 'Star Wars' missile defense initiative in 1983, was adopted in 1988, designed to serve as a deterrent capable of breaking through any missile defenses the United States might be able to muster.

    Even today, Tuchkov noted, the R-36M2 is an effective weapon against any existing missile defense systems. However, he also added that "after a quarter century, the prospective enemy's missile defense systems are beginning to catch up with [it]. More precisely, Russia has developed the technical capability to create a new ICBM with even beter characteristics, to convincingly demonstrate the untenability of the potential opponent's missile defenses, both existing and future ones."

    And Russia has another important reason for developing a new ICBM, the analyst wrote. This has to do with the fact that the R-36 series of missiles were originally developed in Dnepropetrovsk, Ukraine at the Yuzhnoe Design Bureau. "Now, when ties with Ukraine have been completely severed, it's necessary to get rid of any leftover dependency on Ukraine's military-industrial complex for the supply of spare parts and servicing.

    " As for the Makeyev Rocket Design Bureau, charged with the development of the Sarmat, Tuchkov recalled that their engineers are already known for the creation of topnotch missiles for Russia's fleet of strategic submarines. "In this area their achievements have been impressive." The R-29RMU Sineva, NATO-code name SS-N-23A Skiff, "is a record-holder in its power-to-weight ratio – that is…the ratio of the rocket's power in relation to its mass.

    "There is nothing paradoxical about the Sarmat being made specifically [by engineers at Makeyev]," the analyst noted.

    "Firstly, they have accumulated a vast amount of experience in the creation of liquid-propelled rockets, which have better power characteristics than solid-fueled systems. And the Sarmat, in order to surpass the combat characteristics of the Voyevoda, was developed as a liquid-fueled missile."

    "Secondly, the design bureau has experience with ground-based missile systems, too. Among them, for example, is the R-17 missile, NATO classification Scud."

    "Ultimately, Tuchkov noted, "the constructors at the Makeyev Rocket Design Bureau went their own way. In other words, they did not decide to simply create an upgrade of the Voyevoda (even though such opportunities existed) but created an entirely new missile…The result was a missile which is superior to the Voyevoda in all respects."

    That includes a better power-to-weight ratio. "The Voyevoda weighs over 210 tons – the Sarmat —20% lighter. And the new missile is capable of going into suborbital trajectory, going in on its target from space." This means the possibility of attack from any direction, including the North or South Poles. "And the trajectory is laid in such a way as to avoid regions with the massive buildup of missile defense systems."

    "This is achieved through the use of a more efficient propulsion system, both at the first and second stages [of the missile's flight]. An increase in power is also expected via the use of an upper-stage booster in the final stage." That, Tuchkov explained, makes it possible to use the missile for civilian purposes – as a rocket carrying satellites into orbit.

    In their military role, the Sarmats will be protected in the same types of underground bunkers that presently house the Voyevodas. These bunkers, the analyst recalled, "can withstand nuclear explosions nearby, using special damping containers," to withstand immense seismic activity.

    "The defense of the bunkers will be intensified by the Mozyr active protection system, developed especially for the Sarmat. This features 100 artillery pieces, aimed to fire at any cruise missile or missile warheads, forming a cloud of projectiles up to 6 km. This system is serviced by radar featuring long-distance detection and enhanced accuracy capabilities. In addition, it is assumed that areas where Sarmats are based will be defended by the S-500," Russia's next generation surface-to-air missile system, entering the final stages of development.

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    Arrow https://sputniknews.com/military/20160907/1045062797/sarmat-ahead-of-schedule-analysis.html



    Nice thumbsup . Actually, there is nothing much to talk about, but that "Mozyr" active protection system sounds very interesting to me.
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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  George1 on Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:37 pm

    Engine for Russia's new ballistic missile Sarmat passes fire tests — source

    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/899447


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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  gaurav on Tue Sep 13, 2016 9:44 pm

    Sarmat is indeed a very powerful missile.

    Some queries or answers that needed  ..

    1. total launch weight 100 tons (possibly 160 tons) .. Satan missile 210 tons.Initial media specs hinted about a launch weight of 100 tons .. but now the
    true picture is slowly emerging it is a gigantic 160 tons .. 20% of 210 is around 40 tons..

    2. No of warheads possibly 10 and warhead penetration aids (EW warheads 10) total around 20.


    3. Total mass of payload anywhere from 5 to 20-22 tons.. MASSIVE ... no other words .. Bulava is maximum payload of around 3 tons.
       This means that sarmat will be 6 to 7 times more powerful than Bulava.

    4.  Shock launch system very quick ascent trajectory . The Booster will be a deep upgrade of Liner or even a new generation liquid fueled
      booster , The booster willl be unique enough to take the missile to cruising altitude ina very short interval.. thus making it impossible for
      U.S radars to track and detect it.

    5. A liquid fueled third stage engine .. that will cruise at altitudes of possible 100-200 kms .. making it  a "purely spaced based missile"

    Type of warheads

     --Liquid fueled long range warheads each weighing around 1-2 tons

     --Project 4204 aircrafts each weighing 4-6 tons

     -- Smaller liquid fueled warheads  around 1 ton each .. possibly 500 kms range (donno.. much?)
     --  possibly of using Bulava warheads
     --  almost have a software configured payload section

    6. Depressed trajectory of the missile .. flying 80 to 100 kms altitue over north or south pole. Hint U.S has very weak air defense radars over south      
       pole.

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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  Austin on Thu Sep 15, 2016 11:16 am

    SARMAT ICBM

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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu Sep 15, 2016 12:39 pm

    That graphic indicates the RS-28 Sarmat will be 210 tonnes..... That's the same as the R-36M Voevoda Very Happy Significantly larger than the alleged 100T that is the usual claim...
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    Re: New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

    Post  gaurav on Thu Sep 15, 2016 7:41 pm

    Users who know Russian .. etc can they translate what is written in the first 2 paragraphs of the SARMAT ICBM poster

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