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    Εconomic, political and security developments in Central Asia

    Post  Russian Patriot on Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:36 am

    Uzbek leader seeks to strengthen ties with U.S.
    RIA Novosti

    21:04 18/08/2009 TASHKENT, August 18 (RIA Novosti) - The president of Uzbekistan told a top U.S. military official on Tuesday that his country is ready to strengthen ties with the United States on equal partnership terms.

    Islam Karimov met with Gen. David H. Petraeus, commander of the U.S. Central Command, who is in Tashkent on a one-day visit.

    "Petraeus told Karimov that the current U.S. administration is interested in cooperation with Uzbekistan in several areas," the Uzbek leader's spokesperson told RIA Novosti.

    "During the conversation, the sides exchanged opinions on perspectives for Uzbek-U.S. relations, and also on other issues of mutual interest."

    Ties between the two countries have been strained since mid-2005, when Uzbekistan ousted the U.S. Air Force from the Karshi-Khanabad base, which had been used for operations in neighboring Afghanistan since 2001. The move followed condemnation by the U.S. and other Western countries of the May 2005 Andijan massacre, when Uzbek troops opened fire on a crowd of protesters.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2009/08/mil-090818-rianovosti12.htm

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    Kyrgyzstan Wants U.S. out of Manas in 2014

    Post  George1 on Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:50 am

    http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20120220/171419840.html

    The Kyrgyz president reiterated on Monday that the United States must withdraw all its troops from the Manas airbase in Kyrgyzstan when the current lease agreement expires in the summer of 2014.

    The U.S. began operations at the Manas base near the Kyrgyz capital Bishkek in 2001 in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks to support military operations against the Taliban in Afghanistan. It remains a key supply facility for the ongoing military campaign there.

    “There must be no foreign military contingent at the civil airport in Manas after the summer of 2014,” President Almazbek Atambayev was quoted as saying at a meeting with U.S. delegation led by Assistant Deputy Secretary of State for South and Central Asian Affairs Susan Elliott.

    As soon as Atambayev assumed his post last November, he stated that Kyrgyzstan would not prolong the lease contract with the U.S. saying that he did not want a third country carrying out a retaliatory strike against the civilian airport.

    The U.S. base serves now as a major transit point for supplying troops in Afghanistan. It also hosts a fleet of coalition aerial tankers for refueling fighter and surveillance aircraft used in Afghanistan.

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    Re: Εconomic, political and security developments in Central Asia

    Post  GarryB on Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:04 am

    Not very often the US sets up a base and then voluntarily leaves when it is not in their interests to leave.

    I can pretty much only think of Cam Rahn Bay in Vietnam...

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    Re: Εconomic, political and security developments in Central Asia

    Post  SOC on Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:23 pm

    This has nearly happened once before with Manas. We were ready and willing to leave (and were working out the relevant contingencies), but an extension was worked out. Given that history, I don't doubt that we'd pick up and go if they stick with this course of action. You can be sure that the State Department is trying to work out just what Atambayev wants in return for another extension, but if he sticks to his guns then we'll be gone in 2014.

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:29 pm

    That is the point... I think the Americans just think he wants some more cash on the side for himself or his family, or to negotiate more money.

    The fact is that he probably sees the US presence in his country as a problem after they leave Afghanistan because it might become a focus for revenge by the Taleban or even Iran.

    I rather suspect he also has objections to military use of a civilian airport.

    The Russian base in his country was supposed to be part of the cooperation between the two countries where the Russians train local pilots and assist with monitoring the enormous border area.

    I think it was not as high a priority for the Air Force as this is largely a political thing, but now that the leader of Kyrgyzstan has spoken to the Russian political leadership about rent owed and lack of training the Russian AF will get the word and the rent will be paid and pilots will start training.

    Personally I would think it would be an ideal place to start testing UAVs for border security.

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    Post  SOC on Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:54 am

    GarryB wrote:That is the point... I think the Americans just think he wants some more cash on the side for himself or his family, or to negotiate more money.

    Can't fault State for trying, though, since it did work with the Kyrgyz government at least once before. But at the end of the day, like I said, if they want us out, we'll be gone. Almost happened once already.

    GarryB wrote:The fact is that he probably sees the US presence in his country as a problem after they leave Afghanistan because it might become a focus for revenge by the Taleban or even Iran.

    The Taliban is that stupid. Eventually we'll have enough logistic issues that we'll leave Afghanistan regardless, you'd think they'd recognize that if they waited they could simply run the entire show again. Although, performing cross-border quasi-military strikes may provide the impetus for using Afghanistan as a cruise missile disposal area again.

    Iran? Not sure if they're that stupid or not. How many nations are just waiting for an excuse to blow something up in Iran? There's two obvious ones, and some less obvious ones in the region that might not be averse to the Shi'a Persians getting smacked down a few pegs.

    GarryB wrote:I rather suspect he also has objections to military use of a civilian airport.

    Interesting example of the possible differing viewpoints between "us" and "them". That'd never even be a question over here. Hell, we fly ANG combat aircraft out of major airports all the time. One example I can think of is the Missouri ANG flying F-15s out of the St. Louis Int'l Airport. And that isn't just using the field for touch-and-gos, they're actually based there.

    GarryB wrote:The Russian base in his country was supposed to be part of the cooperation between the two countries where the Russians train local pilots and assist with monitoring the enormous border area.

    I think it was not as high a priority for the Air Force as this is largely a political thing, but now that the leader of Kyrgyzstan has spoken to the Russian political leadership about rent owed and lack of training the Russian AF will get the word and the rent will be paid and pilots will start training.

    That'd be Kant AB, right?

    GarryB wrote:Personally I would think it would be an ideal place to start testing UAVs for border security.

    Not a bad idea. Particularly if the border is porous enough to consider Taliban crossings that big of a problem.

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:08 am

    The Taliban is that stupid.

    I don't think it is a question of intelligence, but a question of reach and resources.

    The Taliban don't have ICBMs that will reach the US so if they wanted to hurt the US they can either send them an angry letter or look in the region for the nearest US base.

    They don't appear to me to be angry letter writers.

    Eventually we'll have enough logistic issues that we'll leave Afghanistan regardless, you'd think they'd recognize that if they waited they could simply run the entire show again. Although, performing cross-border quasi-military strikes may provide the impetus for using Afghanistan as a cruise missile disposal area again.

    If they have any brains they will just lay low and wait for foreigners to leave and then take the cities back one by one.

    Previously they didn't do that much in terms of cross border raids and activities, and internally they came down hard on drugs, so I really think when the US leaves and the Taliban take over the only people to suffer will be the Afghans themselves.

    Iran? Not sure if they're that stupid or not. How many nations are just waiting for an excuse to blow something up in Iran? There's two obvious ones, and some less obvious ones in the region that might not be averse to the Shi'a Persians getting smacked down a few pegs.

    From a Kyrgyz point of view a US or Israeli strike on Iran is probably the most likely outcome... based on the last few years the solution has been a military attack for the US... there is a pretty clear pattern to support that.

    If the US or Israel do attack then the US presence in Manas represents a legitimate target for Iran as one of many US bases in the region.

    That'd be Kant AB, right?

    Yup.

    Not a bad idea. Particularly if the border is porous enough to consider Taliban crossings that big of a problem.

    It would be good practise for them to work with their allies in protecting their border as lessons learned can be directly applied to the enormous Russian borders...

    In addition any drugs or illegal material stopped at that border will not make it to Russia.

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    Re: Εconomic, political and security developments in Central Asia

    Post  George1 on Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:44 am

    Kyrgyz Leader Finalizes US Airbase Closure

    BISHKEK, June 26 (RIA Novosti) – The president of the Central Asian nation of Kyrgyzstan on Tuesday signed a bill ordering the closure of a US airbase that serves as the main transit hub for NATO forces in Afghanistan.

    According to the bill, US forces must abandon the base at Manas International Airport, near the capital Bishkek, by July 2014. The Kyrgyz parliament overwhelmingly approved the legislation last week.

    Kyrgyz President Almazbek Atambayev already in 2011 announced plans to shut the base down by 2014, when the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force is to be pulled out of Afghanistan.

    Kyrgyzstan’s parliamentary opposition, however, claimed that the bill was premature because the government had failed to explain how it was going to compensate for the $60 million that the country receives annually from the United States to operate the base, set up in 2001.

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    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:40 am

    The Taliban are the most visible group in the area but you have similar groups in most neighbouring Central Asian states. It looks like the US is working on legitimising the Taliban after they leave Afghanistan and it's no secret that they see the Islamists as a convenient weapon to weaken and destabilise Russia and China (continuation of their policy from the 80/90's). I'm willing to bet that Central Asia and/or the Middle East is the place for the next Russian war.

    There was a report recently about the VVS taking out of storage old Soviet plans for the bombing of S. Arabia and other Gulf states.

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    Russia - Afghanistan relations

    Post  George1 on Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:58 am

    As U.S. war ends, Russia returns to Afghanistan with series of investment projects


    KABUL — To the white-bearded Afghan machinists, it felt like the Cold War era had suddenly returned.

    After 25 years of working in a sprawling Soviet-built factory — a vestige of a war and occupation long extinguished — they suddenly spotted a new shipment of gleaming Russian equipment arriving last fall on an 18-wheeler.

    The factory was abuzz. The Russians were back.

    As the U.S.-led war winds down and Russia reasserts itself in Ukraine and the Middle East, Moscow is also ramping up its investment in Afghanistan. It is rebuilding the relics of the Soviet occupation and promoting its own political and cultural prowess.

    “You see Russia’s interest in Afghanistan rising. It’s visible,” said Stepan Anikeev, the spokesman for the Russian Embassy in Kabul. “We want to enlarge our role in the region. It’s not only for Afghanistan, but for our own goals.”

    Russia’s recent incursion into its neighbor, Ukraine, and its annexation of Crimea reflect its intent to maintain influence in some former Soviet republics. It also reaching out to old allies further afield. Last month, President Vladimir Putin received Egyptian army chief Abdel Fatah al-Sissi, whose relations with Washington have been strained since a coup last summer, and expressed support for the military man’s expected presidential bid.

    Moscow is also negotiating a major arms deal with Sissi and agreed in 2012 to sell Iraq $4.3 billion in weapons. In Syria, Putin is strongly backing the government of President Bashar al-Assad as he seeks to crush a rebellion that has received support from the West.

    In Afghanistan, Russian officials point to their development activities as a counterexample to U.S. aid projects, which many Afghans criticize as wasteful and misguided.

    People sit in a park outside an apartment building in the neighborhood of Microryan in Kabul, where most of the housing units built with Russian funds from the time of the invasion are located. Houses in this part of the city are considered comfortable by Afghan standards, with central heating and sewage and electrical systems. People sit in a park outside an apartment building in the neighborhood of Microryan in Kabul, where most of the housing units built with Russian funds from the time of the invasion are located. Houses in this part of the city are considered comfortable by Afghan standards, with central heating and sewage and electrical systems. (Lorenzo Tugnoli/For The Washington Post)

    “The mistake of the last 12 years is that people were eager to give money, but without the proper strategy,” said Russian Ambassador Andrey Avetisyan, who was also based in Kabul as a young diplomat in the 1980s.

    Many Afghans, including President Hamid Karzai, praise the Soviet model even though they fought a bloody 10-year war against the country’s army, which invaded in 1979 to support an unpopular communist government.

    “The Soviet money went to the right place. They were efficient in spending their money and doing it through the Afghan government,” Karzai said in an interview with The Washington Post this month.

    The new warmth between the Kremlin and Afghanistan was visible this week when the Afghan government released a message from Putin marking the Persian new year. It was the only such message made public, and was released at a time when the United States and European governments are imposing sanctions on Russia for its expansion into Ukraine.

    “I am certain that friendly ties and cooperation between Russia and Afghanistan in the future will add to the goodness and welfare of our people,” Putin said in the message to Karzai, which was translated into Dari, the local language.

    The Russian government has compiled a list of 140 Soviet-era projects that it would like to rehabilitate, according to the embassy. The Kabul Housebuilding Factory, the country’s largest manufacturing facility, was the first to receive assistance last fall: $25 million in new equipment.

    A few miles away in Kabul, the Russian government is spending $20 million to renovate the Soviet House of Science and Culture, constructed in 1982. The building, whose jutting angles exemplify Soviet industrial design, was torn apart by bullets and rockets and became crowded with Afghan drug addicts. It is to reopen this fall as the Russian Cultural Center, a beacon for those with interest in Russia.

    “We want to expand our culture here,” Anikeev said of the center.

    Aid that’s appreciated

    Afghanistan is still peppered with reminders of both the Soviet Union’s war and its infrastructure projects. Soviet land mines continue to kill and injure dozens of Afghan civilians every year. But its bread-making factory still produces thousands of loaves every day. Its housing complexes are among the country’s most desirable (and the only ones with central heating).

    “I hated the Soviets. I fought against them. They killed my father. But this is still the best place to live,” Gen. Labib Raeed said in his apartment in the Microryan, a Soviet-built complex which translates to “housing block” in Russian.

    Raeed is an officer in the U.S.-backed Afghan army, but he’s quick to criticize the U.S. development effort — more than $100 billion spent on non-military aid, including roads and schools.

    “The Americans were generous to donate so much money, but they gave it to the wrong people,” he said.

    The Microryan looks like it has been transplanted from a small Russian city. It is gray and unadorned, a stark contrast to the flashiness of Kabul’s new homes and wedding halls. The four-bedroom apartments are cramped and austere, but they sell for more than $100,000.

    Projects such as the Microryan were constructed during the height of the Cold War. The Soviet Union continued building even as it waged war in the country throughout the 1980s. And then, on Feb. 15, 1989, it was all over. The Soviets withdrew and their projects — the factories, schools, swimming pools atop Kabul hills — were left largely unattended.

    Many of those projects managed to survive a civil war and the Taliban regime relatively intact. The house-building factory made the prefabricated walls from which Taliban officials, including top leader Mohammad Omar, built their homes and offices. Last year, it produced the walls for one of Afghanistan’s biggest prisons.

    A machine from the Soviet era sits unused in the Kabul Housebuilding Factory. A machine from the Soviet era sits unused in the Kabul Housebuilding Factory. (Lorenzo Tugnoli/For The Washington Post)

    The machinists who were in their 20s when they were trained by Soviet engineers are now middle-aged, but they’re still working on the same equipment, with instructions in fading Cyrillic characters. The new Russian technology is expected to be installed in the coming months.

    Many Afghans question why Russia seems so interested in development here now, just as the West’s assistance tapers off. The aid program seems to many a calculated move reminiscent of the Great Game, the contest between the Russian and British empires for influence in central Asia in the 19th century.

    Russian officials say that supporting Afghanistan makes sense, given their regional interests. Afghanistan shares borders with three former Soviet states that still receive considerable funding — and direction — from Moscow. And Afghanistan continues to be a major source of narcotics that pour into Russia. Economic development, along with a Russian-funded counternarcotics program, could curb that illicit trade, officials hope.

    Still, the timing of Russia’s development effort has raised eyebrows. That country’s most significant economic partnership with Afghanistan in recent years, a joint commission on “trade and economic cooperation,” wasn’t launched until 2012, the year the U.S. withdrawal began.

    There are other signs of a Russian revival here.

    The number of students studying Russian at Kabul University has doubled in the past two years. Russia, in turn, has doubled the number of scholarships it offers to Afghan students. The cultural center, when it reopens this fall, will hold a vast library of Russian literature and offer language courses.

    Russia has refused to send soldiers to support the NATO mission and has provided limited military aid. Although there is talk of equipping Afghan forces with more Russian-made Kalashnikov assault rifles, that plan has not been finalized and civilian projects remain the focus of the development effort.

    “What the Soviets did here was really fundamental. They were thinking about the long term,” said Ahmad, the head engineer of the house-building factory, who like many Afghans uses only one name.

    For 30 years, Ahmad has walked past the same inscription every day on his way to the office.

    “This factory,” the inscription reads, “was built by the friendly government of the Soviet Union and was presented to the Afghan nation as a gift.” The year “1962” is carved into the stone.

    In the 1980s, as Afghanistan’s war with the Soviet Union raged, the word “friendly” stood out as bitterly ironic. Now, with Russia’s promise to return the factory to its days of productivity, the adjective is starting to resonate.

    “We don’t differentiate between the Americans and the Russians. Whoever wants to help us,” said Ahmad. “We welcome the Russians back.”


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    Re: Εconomic, political and security developments in Central Asia

    Post  George1 on Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:15 am

    Transit Center at Manas hosts transfer ceremony

    Col. John Millard, Director of the Transit Center at Manas, speaks at a transfer ceremony at the TCM in Kyrgyzstan, June 3, 2014. He praised the major accomplishments of the 376th Air Expeditionary Wing and the center itself. He described 110 military-to-military exchanges and 180 social-cultural events just a brief of the programs that touched more than 7,000 local people. (U.S. Air Force Photo/Senior Airman Ross Alexander Whitley)

    TRANSIT CENTER AT MANAS, Kyrgyzstan -- Pamela L. Spratlen, U.S. ambassador to the Kyrgyz Republic and Col. John C. Millard, 376th Air Expeditionary Wing commander, hosted a transfer ceremony at Transit Center at Manas, Kyrgyzstan, June 3, 2014.

    Spratlen, Col. Zamir Suerkulov, first deputy minister of the Kyrgyz Ministry of Defense and Millard gave remarks describing the significance of the transfer, noting the unique history of support and partnership between the United States and the Kyryz Republic. The ambassador highlighted the value of bilateral relationships and the role Kyrgyzstan played in helping Afghanistan.

    Noting her own memories of hearing about 9-11 from her position in Moscow, Russia, she said, "I would like to reiterate once more the gratitude of the American people for the support provided by the Kyrgyz people to the U.S. forces and coalition efforts in Afghanistan."

    Spratlen emphasized to the Kyrgyz and American audience that, even though the Transit Center is closing, "Our bilateral relationship and our friendship between our countries will, of course, continue."

    Finally, she acknowledged how important the close working relationship between the embassy and the Transit Center leaders has been over the years remarking that this collaboration kept "ideas about how to position the United States fully aligned."

    Former American ambassador to Kyrgyzstan from 2001, John O'Keefe, said in a letter written for the ceremony, "Kyrgyzstan stood out as among the first of many nations to understand the importance of bringing stability to Afghanistan and rooting out a hub for training and supporting terrorists."

    Suerkulov highlighted the strong cooperation between Transit Center military members and the Ministry of Defense of the Kyrgyz Republic in areas such as aviation, medical treatment, engineering, language training and sports. He thanked both embassy and Transit Center people for such good work in the final stages of closing the facility.

    Millard wrapped up the event by noting the impact of 12.5 years of operations at the Transit Center.

    He listed the major accomplishments from the four mission pillars beginning with air refueling and the 33,000 missions flown by KC-135 Stratotankers. The aircraft flew 1.8 billion pounds of fuel offloaded to 136,000 coalition aircraft. For onward movement, he noted that more than 5.3 million coalition personnel moved through the Transit Center which was about 98 percent of all International Security Assistance Force and coalition forces going into and out of Afghanistan.

    According to the Milliard, the airlift mission moved 1.4 billion pounds of cargo with more than 42,000 cargo missions. Finally, he said he took special pride in the humanitarian assistance mission.

    While military members gave aid to Kyrgyz people in need from the start in 2001, the Theater Security Cooperation organization, which formalized humanitarian assistance, only existed for the last four years. In that time, the TSC had 37 local projects worth more than $4.7 million which was invested in such places as schools, orphanages and hospitals.

    "We've perhaps gained the most out of the time we spent directly with the people of Kyrgyzstan, sharing cultures and creating lasting relationships," he remarked.

    Milliard went on to describe 110 military-to-military exchanges, 188 social-cultural events such as talking clubs and education opportunities. Overall, the programs touched more than 7,000 local people.

    After his comments, Millard presented a key to Col. Mirbek Imayev, deputy head of Kyrgyzstan's elite National Guard, as a symbol of transferring control of the Transit Center at Manas to the Kyrgyz Republic.

    Read more: http://www.dvidshub.net/news/131960/transit-center-manas-hosts-transfer-ceremony#.U5j9znZjF_Y#ixzz34Nnwfj5r

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    Re: Εconomic, political and security developments in Central Asia

    Post  George1 on Thu Jul 31, 2014 1:30 am

    US Negotiating New Military Base in Uzbekistan

    MOSCOW, July 30 (RIA Novosti) -The United States is in negotiations to open a new military base in southern Uzbekistan that would bring $1 billion to the Uzbek budget annually, uzmetronom.com reported Wednesday.

    “According to experts familiar with the situation, the main goal of a high-ranking American visitor, with the ranking of general, is to attain Uzbekistan’s consent to deploy an American contingent and military equipment, including aviation, in the Uzbek city of Termez, which is just across the Amu Darya River from Afghanistan,” the online newspaper reported commenting on the visit of the commander of the US Central Command Army, General Lloyd Austin, to Uzbekistan.

    The US is ready to pay Uzbekistan $1 billion annually, according to uzmetronom.com.

    Uzbekistan hosted an American air base in Karshi Khanabad as a staging ground for combat, reconnaissance and humanitarian missions in Afghanistan in 2001. However, in 2005, Tashkent evicted US personnel from the air base after the US criticized the Uzbek government for its Andijan anti-terrorist operation.

    Since 2001, Germany has used the civilian airport in Termez as a “trampoline” into Afghanistan. The base houses several hundred servicemen who provide logistics for dispatching and receiving aircraft with cargo and troops.

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    Re: Εconomic, political and security developments in Central Asia

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:31 am

    Anything for them trying to get closer to Russian borders to surround them. But $1B a year? thats it? US is already debt ridden and who knows how long till the dollar is even worth its value. Uzbekistan is hurting for money though and they left the CSTO because of... Whom was it? Turkmenistan? Anyway, let them I say. Just means US spreads itself too thin.

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    Post  Vann7 on Thu Jul 31, 2014 5:13 am

    sepheronx wrote:Anything for them trying to get closer to Russian borders to surround them.  But $1B a year? thats it?  US is already debt ridden and who knows how long till the dollar is even worth its value.  Uzbekistan is hurting for money though and they left the CSTO because of... Whom was it? Turkmenistan?  Anyway, let them I say.  Just means US spreads itself too thin.

    US is seeking to destabilize the entire region and create a JIhadist alqaeda heaven over there.. and later give them weapon to fight Russia..Just recently was reported the US troops "lost a shipment of 700,000 assault rifles/weapons over afganistan" can anyone believe such a crap? that could be an accident? Russia should go to mexico and by accident lose manpads and rockets grenades over US-Mexico border..so later can overthrown US gangs their own government. for the only reason US exist today in the world.. to fight Russia. No longer they have
    any other role in the world that the destruction of it ,to get it under his control.  Used to be different a little different in the past// When they cared a little more for their own people.  Neutral 

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    Post  par far on Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:29 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Anything for them trying to get closer to Russian borders to surround them.  But $1B a year? thats it?  US is already debt ridden and who knows how long till the dollar is even worth its value.  Uzbekistan is hurting for money though and they left the CSTO because of... Whom was it? Turkmenistan?  Anyway, let them I say.  Just means US spreads itself too thin.

    US is seeking to destabilize the entire region and create a JIhadist alqaeda heaven over there.. and later give them weapon to fight Russia..Just recently was reported the US troops "lost a shipment of 700,000 assault rifles/weapons over afganistan" can anyone believe such a crap? that could be an accident? Russia should go to mexico and by accident lose manpads and rockets grenades over US-Mexico border..so later can overthrown US gangs their own government.  for the only reason US exist today in the world.. to fight Russia. No longer they have
    any other role in the world that the destruction of it ,to get it under his control.  Used to be different a little different in the past// When they cared a little more for their own people.  Neutral 



    This is exactly what the U.S. wants to do and are trying to do. They want to create terror groups on Russia's borders. Russia needs to respond and soon. Russia should treaten to take US and its cronies to court over war crimes committed in Iraq and afghantan. Russia needs to understand what is happening and soon.

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    Re: Εconomic, political and security developments in Central Asia

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:39 am

    par far wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Anything for them trying to get closer to Russian borders to surround them.  But $1B a year? thats it?  US is already debt ridden and who knows how long till the dollar is even worth its value.  Uzbekistan is hurting for money though and they left the CSTO because of... Whom was it? Turkmenistan?  Anyway, let them I say.  Just means US spreads itself too thin.

    US is seeking to destabilize the entire region and create a JIhadist alqaeda heaven over there.. and later give them weapon to fight Russia..Just recently was reported the US troops "lost a shipment of 700,000 assault rifles/weapons over afganistan" can anyone believe such a crap? that could be an accident? Russia should go to mexico and by accident lose manpads and rockets grenades over US-Mexico border..so later can overthrown US gangs their own government.  for the only reason US exist today in the world.. to fight Russia. No longer they have
    any other role in the world that the destruction of it ,to get it under his control.  Used to be different a little different in the past// When they cared a little more for their own people.  Neutral 



    This is exactly what the U.S. wants to do and are trying to do. They want to create terror groups on Russia's borders. Russia needs to respond and soon. Russia should treaten to take US and its cronies to court over war crimes committed in Iraq and afghantan. Russia needs to understand what is happening and soon.  

    That won't work, since the ICC is already a bribed court, they never have acted upon US, Israel or UK but they were very furious against Milosovic because they were unleashed like dogs they are from the US. The ICC is useless court that acts on politics dictated by one nation.

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    Re: Εconomic, political and security developments in Central Asia

    Post  par far on Sat Jan 24, 2015 2:48 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    par far wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Anything for them trying to get closer to Russian borders to surround them.  But $1B a year? thats it?  US is already debt ridden and who knows how long till the dollar is even worth its value.  Uzbekistan is hurting for money though and they left the CSTO because of... Whom was it? Turkmenistan?  Anyway, let them I say.  Just means US spreads itself too thin.

    US is seeking to destabilize the entire region and create a JIhadist alqaeda heaven over there.. and later give them weapon to fight Russia..Just recently was reported the US troops "lost a shipment of 700,000 assault rifles/weapons over afganistan" can anyone believe such a crap? that could be an accident? Russia should go to mexico and by accident lose manpads and rockets grenades over US-Mexico border..so later can overthrown US gangs their own government.  for the only reason US exist today in the world.. to fight Russia. No longer they have
    any other role in the world that the destruction of it ,to get it under his control.  Used to be different a little different in the past// When they cared a little more for their own people.  Neutral 



    This is exactly what the U.S. wants to do and are trying to do. They want to create terror groups on Russia's borders. Russia needs to respond and soon. Russia should treaten to take US and its cronies to court over war crimes committed in Iraq and afghantan. Russia needs to understand what is happening and soon.  

    That won't work, since the ICC is already a bribed court, they never have acted upon US, Israel or UK but they were very furious against Milosovic because they were unleashed like dogs they are from the US. The ICC is useless court that acts on politics dictated by one nation.



    If that does not work then Russia must do something and do it fast. What do you suggest, that Russia does?

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    Re: Εconomic, political and security developments in Central Asia

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Jan 24, 2015 6:43 am



    Russia should simply strengthen ties with Mexico and deploy Russian military bases there to train their armed forces and police against the criminals gangs that USA supply weapons.. the base should be withing 50 km of US borders..
    and deploy there hundred of tanks and hundreds of planes.. just exactly as US have done in Europe..

    That will scare the shit of arrogant Neocons.. knowing RUssia can directly invade their nation in case a war start and or help americans to overthrow their government with weapons.. Russia can say the "lost a shipment of 700,000 assault rifles.. kornets and manpas and that ended inside US cities.. I tell you.. USA easiest way to defeat them is from the inside.. they do not have the civilian support and unity of Russia.. with blacks alone and other minotiries they can create an army of a million that will happily overthrow their government. and Russia will supply them the weapons and logistics..




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    Re: Εconomic, political and security developments in Central Asia

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:13 pm

    If that does not work then Russia must do something and do it fast. What do you suggest, that Russia does?

    What i say since few months already a 2nd Cuba Crisis, the US pulls up nukes in Germany, Netherlands, Turkey not to mention the nukes that are already at russias doorstep of NATO France and UK, they pull up ABM shields and attack Russia and russians all over the place, it is obvious they want war. They need to be thought that the US is not unreachable and that Russia won't play their little European indotrincated vassal idiots agaisnt Russia, that Russia will ignore it and attack the US directly if their dare to unleash their little european idiot pawns.

    Deploy Nuclear weapons in Central and North of South America, push for political means to drag Latin America on Russias side give the yanks the same Taste that they are surrounded and that the Nukes would reach them in less than 10 Minutes and russia has to demand that all NATO members are set back to the state of 1970 and all US nukes have to go from European soil otherwise Russia will push further for same means and tactics as the US does since its existence and surround further US with Basis and Anti-americans which Latin Americans already are based on the violent History this supremacy idiots have caused.

    Those neo-con and anglo suckson/zionazi policy pushing retards are already shitting themselfs from Russia in every single possible way. Russia regained the controll if its own countries and resources, they through out americ*nts and brits from their russian oil companies and today Russia makes money with its own oil, they are developing and modernising the country and that is clearly against every zionazi and neo-con politicians view that Russian resources belong to them and they are afraid of all the potential russia bears to dominate the entire world since it holds over 51% of the world resources with a political stability and strength a growing military and the society is brought back on track so the brain drain is mostly one sided on the US side today.

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    Re: Εconomic, political and security developments in Central Asia

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:42 pm

    http://sputniknews.com/world/20150415/1020915385.html

    Expect a Maiden to appear soon.

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    Re: Εconomic, political and security developments in Central Asia

    Post  max steel on Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:26 pm

    sepheronx wrote:http://sputniknews.com/world/20150415/1020915385.html

    Expect a Maiden to appear soon.


    Well let me inform you more on this Kyrgzstan is the next nation on usa radar for regime change . They dont want Eurasia to form a Union . Kyrgzstan is part of CSTO . US have sent male nuland as new charge d'affaires in Bishek . The one who started rose revolution in georgia in 2003 and in Yugoslavia . these revolutions are nothing but operation Gladio .

    But Krygyzs are aware of it

    DEMONSTRATORS PROTEST IN BISHEK AGAINST NEW US DIPLOMAT  :  http://tass.ru/en/world/780008

    earlier Kryg already had 2 such revolutions but THEIR revolution didnt involve US just like earlier Ukraine revolution didnt involve foreign intervention . Presidential elections are coming up in Autumn in Kyrygstan .

    But these central asian nations must realize

    1) usa dont give a damn fuck about them . Whatsoever economy they have it will go in peril .
    2) Good thing is Kyrgzs are aware of usa plans and they even protested it.
    3) Central asia must realize their future lies with Eurasia and China . US will use them to expand nato and surround russia , break its economy etc .
    4) China and Russia must come up together quickly to secure and expand their influence in C.Asia .



    This regime is a brutal and futile method just to fulfill murican interests nothing else . These former soviet nations will burn just like Ukraine .

    I dont know what Russia is doing to prevent such rabid and sinister deeds of murica . Make more central asia citizens aware about it . Azerbaijan is also on radar .

    But acc to me Russia should pull China alongside it instead of looking for its own sphere . Form a collective because China can really attract these central asians towards a growing path instead of getting in bed with yanks .

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    Re: Εconomic, political and security developments in Central Asia

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:25 pm

    http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/04/coups-and-color-revolutions-us-wages.html

    What I dont get is if they know, then why dont they pull a venezuela and limit US embassy to 3 people and either close down NGO's operated by US or limit their activities. Also, deem all packages for US embassies, especially large containers of something unknown, be subjected to searches prior to being handed over to US embassy.

    Their lack of going after these people is kinda scary and gives the indication Russia and these respective countries want to be destabilized and or want problems. Or they are lazy/incompetent.

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    Re: Εconomic, political and security developments in Central Asia

    Post  par far on Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:23 pm

    max steel wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:http://sputniknews.com/world/20150415/1020915385.html

    Expect a Maiden to appear soon.


    Well let me inform you more on this Kyrgzstan is the next nation on usa radar for regime change . They dont want Eurasia to form a Union . Kyrgzstan is part of CSTO . US have sent male nuland as new charge d'affaires in Bishek . The one who started rose revolution in georgia in 2003 and in Yugoslavia . these revolutions are nothing but operation Gladio .

    But Krygyzs are aware of it

    DEMONSTRATORS PROTEST IN BISHEK AGAINST NEW US DIPLOMAT  :  http://tass.ru/en/world/780008

    earlier Kryg already had 2 such revolutions but THEIR revolution didnt involve US just like earlier Ukraine revolution didnt involve foreign intervention . Presidential elections are coming up in Autumn in Kyrygstan .

    But these central asian nations must realize

    1) usa dont give a damn fuck about them . Whatsoever economy they have it will go in peril .
    2) Good thing is Kyrgzs are aware of usa plans and they even protested it.
    3) Central asia must realize their future lies with Eurasia and China . US will use them to expand nato and surround russia , break its economy etc .
    4) China and Russia must come up together quickly to secure and expand their influence in C.Asia .



    This regime is a brutal and futile method just to fulfill murican interests nothing else . These former soviet nations will burn just like Ukraine .

    I dont know what Russia is doing to prevent such rabid and sinister deeds of murica . Make more central asia citizens aware about it . Azerbaijan is also on radar .

    But acc to me Russia should pull China alongside it instead of looking for its own sphere . Form a collective because China can really attract these central asians towards a growing path instead of getting in bed with yanks .



    The FSB need to be all over this.

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    Re: Εconomic, political and security developments in Central Asia

    Post  Flagship Victory on Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:57 pm

    Uzbekistan has always been the most hostile of the ex Soviet stans. Uzbekistan withdrew from CSTO in 2012.

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    Re: Εconomic, political and security developments in Central Asia

    Post  George1 on Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:38 am

    Kyrgyz National Guard battalion deployed to former US Manas Airbase

    The US base was closed a year ago after the Kyrgyz authorities said foreign military was unwanted on the territory of a civilian airport

    BISHKEK, July 20. /TASS/. A new military unit of Kyrgyzstan’s National Guard has opened on Monday on the territory of the former US airbase at Bishkek’s Manas airport.

    "We will push forward with the military reform," Kyrgyz President Almazbek Atambayev said at the ceremony. "The military personnel are provided with modern military equipment, and more equipment and ammunition will be delivered soon." He noted that "such steps boost the country’s defense capacity and security."

    A rapid reaction battalion of Kyrgyzstan’s National Guard is now deployed on the territory of the former US airbase.

    The US Air Force base at Manas was opened in December 2001. Originally it accommodated military personnel and equipment from several member-countries of the anti-terrorist coalition, which were engaged in efforts to support Operation Enduring Freedom conducted by the United States in Afghanistan. In subsequent years, the backbone of the group was composed of the US Air Force personnel. The base was closed a year ago due to the decision of the Kyrgyz authorities. Bishkek said the move stemmed from its unwillingness to have foreign military on the territory of its civilian airport and announced plans to build a major logistics hub in Manas.


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