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    Post  jhelb on Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:03 pm

    Recently released report suggests People’s Liberation Army Air Force's Su-27s lost a majority of engagements in a November 2015 joint exercise with the 701 Fighter Squadron of the Royal Thai Air Force (RTAF)

    https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2020-02-08/plaaf-senior-pilot-reveals-poor-performance-joint-exercise-rtaf
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    Post  Isos on Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:55 pm

    jhelb wrote:Recently released report suggests People’s Liberation Army Air Force's Su-27s lost a majority of engagements in a November 2015 joint exercise with the 701 Fighter Squadron of the Royal Thai Air Force (RTAF)

    https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2020-02-08/plaaf-senior-pilot-reveals-poor-performance-joint-exercise-rtaf

    It's pretty good for such an old aircraft. It had total superirity in dogfight and had decent result in BVR.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:30 pm

    Isos wrote:
    jhelb wrote:Recently released report suggests People’s Liberation Army Air Force's Su-27s lost a majority of engagements in a November 2015 joint exercise with the 701 Fighter Squadron of the Royal Thai Air Force (RTAF)

    https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2020-02-08/plaaf-senior-pilot-reveals-poor-performance-joint-exercise-rtaf

    It's pretty good for such an old aircraft. It had total superirity in dogfight and had decent result in BVR.

    Yeah. Face it against a Su-35 and story will change as Su-35 has reduced RCA greatly compared to legacy Su-27 and a far more powerful radar.

    I like how they don't mention J-10 results. Chances, not so fair.
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    Post  Isos on Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:53 pm


    Yeah. Face it against a Su-35 and story will change as Su-35 has reduced RCA greatly compared to legacy Su-27 and a far more powerful radar.

    I like how they don't mention J-10 results. Chances, not so fair.

    The problem was the shorter range r-77. In terms of radar su-27 detected the grippen at 120km so if it had the rvv sd with 120km range it would have had better results. And it is a proof that all those fanboys made numbers about RCS and detection ranges are total bulshit. According to them gripen, rafale, typhoon have less than 1m2 RCS and should be detected by a su27 at ranges around 50km ....

    Reducing rcs would be good for ECM against amraam but it would still be detected well before missile's max range. They also didn't test ECM.

    IMO russian will read this story seriously and invest in r-77M for its su-30/35.
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    Post  jhelb on Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:55 am

    Isos wrote:IMO russian will read this story seriously and invest in r-77M for its su-30/35.

    Same time lat year Hindus had claimed that their Mig 21s armed with R 77 shot down a Pakistani F-16. Too bad they couldn't provide any evidence to back up their claims. Else it would have proved how effective R 77s are.
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    Post  Isos on Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:18 pm

    jhelb wrote:
    Isos wrote:IMO russian will read this story seriously and invest in r-77M for its su-30/35.

    Same time lat year Hindus had claimed that their Mig 21s armed with R 77 shot down a Pakistani F-16. Too bad they couldn't provide any evidence to back up their claims. Else it would have proved how effective R 77s are.

    They said it was a r73.

    That doesnt mean the r77 sucks and can't be used. It only means most of the time the amraam equiped jet will launch the missiles first and that's an advantage. Russian btw use the longer range 77-1 and not the basic 77.

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