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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:57 am

    @GunshipDemocracy, @sepheronx:

    With the greater level of technology and automaton in production, people have to hire/train more high quality workers to use these techs. Which means, scientists, engineers and modern working class increase in number and influence, and start to demand social change to provide what they deserve to have.

    About the issues of "break the current system worldwide", rich people have to make concessions because the collapse of the system also affect them.

    Techs breakthrough and social change are inseparable, since new techs cause changes in workforce composition and accessibility of knowledge, and changes in social structure is inevitable.

    It is the tech breakthrough caused dramatic changes in European society at the end of Medieval Era, since tradespeople, craftsmen, merchant became more important than priests and churches.

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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:19 am

    And pray tell, how many new jobs would actually be made? If automation replaces jobs in the manufacturing line of spare parts, that removes hundreds of people who help make it. Instead, a couple of people end up with a specialty job in order to maintain the machines. How many people will it replace for high tech jobs when cashiers are no longer needed? How many cashiers? I have physically seen how a whole warehouse full of hundreds of employees turn to maybe a dozen employees after automation took over. Lets just say, it didn't create more jobs than lost.

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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:39 am

    sepheronx wrote:And pray tell, how many new jobs would actually be made?  If automation replaces jobs in the manufacturing line of spare parts, that removes hundreds of people who help make it.  Instead, a couple of people end up with a specialty job in order to maintain the machines.  How many people will it replace for high tech jobs when cashiers are no longer needed? How many cashiers?  I have physically seen how a whole warehouse full of hundreds of employees turn to maybe a dozen employees after automation took over.  Lets just say, it didn't create more jobs than lost.

    The essence of automaton and tech progress is to make more with less labor cost, i.e. "job lost" in certain sectors. You can't stop the evolution of science just because it manages to hire less people to make the things done.

    You cannot stop people from beginning deployment of T-64s just because the loader become jobless. You can't stop people from using mechanized armed forces because horse rider can be jobless. Instead, it is the social manager i.e. goverment duty to re-train these jobless people so that they can suit in the new environment.

    High unemployment means the goverment sucks, not because of automaton.

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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:33 pm

    sepheronx wrote:And pray tell, how many new jobs would actually be made?  If automation replaces jobs in the manufacturing line of spare parts, that removes hundreds of people who help make it.  Instead, a couple of people end up with a specialty job in order to maintain the machines.  How many people will it replace for high tech jobs when cashiers are no longer needed? How many cashiers?  I have physically seen how a whole warehouse full of hundreds of employees turn to maybe a dozen employees after automation took over.  Lets just say, it didn't create more jobs than lost.

    and in the meantime you did not notice couple of gyms, diners, bike rentals or  repair shops opened? so warehouses still can keep delivering goodies to new customers? I am not sure if a warehouse job is beter than bike rental. There are new businesses being opened every day...govt is to make sure good nutrition for businesses are there...



    higurashihougi wrote: The essence of automaton and tech progress is to make more with less labor cost, i.e. "job lost" in certain sectors. You can't stop the evolution of science just because it manages to hire less people to make the things done.

    You cannot stop people from beginning deployment of T-64s just because the loader become jobless. You can't stop people from using mechanized armed forces because horse rider can be jobless. Instead, it is the social manager i.e. goverment duty to re-train these jobless people so that they can suit in the new environment.

    High unemployment means the goverment sucks, not because of automaton.


    I cannot add more. We ol´good commies have intl spirit of  class  understanding welcome



    higurashihougi wrote:@GunshipDemocracy, @sepheronx:
    With the greater level of technology and automaton in production, people have to hire/train more high quality workers to use these techs. Which means, scientists, engineers and modern working class increase in number and influence, and start to demand social change to provide what they deserve to have.

    It is the tech breakthrough caused dramatic changes in European society at the end of Medieval Era, since tradespeople, craftsmen, merchant  became more important than priests and churches.

    like beforementioned Kondratiev Waves ? ( again damn Russians Smile

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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Jun 29, 2016 1:52 pm

    [size=18]MSU sped up PC to the speed of supercomputer in quantum computing
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    MOSCOW, 28 Jun – RIA Novosti. Physicists from Institute of nuclear physics, Moscow state University have created an algorithm that allows you to use the power graphics cards in personal computers for quantum calculations, which allows a standard PC dozens of times to overtake powerful supercomputers, according to a paper published in the journal Computer Physics Communications.
    "We had speed and could not dream. The program works so that 260 million complex of the double integrals on the desktop it thinks for three seconds. My colleague from Bochum University, unfortunately, recently deceased, conducted similar calculations with one of the largest supercomputers in Germany. And what his group is seeking for two or three days, we do it in 15 minutes without spending a penny", — said Vladimir Kukulin Institute of nuclear physics of Moscow state University named after M. V. Lomonosov.
    Kukulin and his colleagues at the Institute of nuclear physics has been able to achieve a similar result through the use of special algorithm that allows them to convert the complicated equations of quantum mechanics in simple matrix that fits in the computer's memory, as well as through the use of GPGPU technology – use of graphics cards as separate computational modules.

    As the scientists explain, modern computer processors are able to execute in parallel, only a small number of operations, whose number is usually limited by the number of nuclei, whose number does not exceed 20-30 for the most expensive CPU. The video processors and the video card, on the other hand, contain thousands of parallel computational modules able to execute a primitive computation.
    Scientists from Moscow state University have developed an algorithm that allows to use these modules to calculate the quantum equations, which were formulated in the 60-ies of the last century, the Russian mathematician Ludwig by Fadeevym. They describe the process of collision of quantum particles with each other and other objects, and to date, it is impossible to calculate without the use of a supercomputer because of their extreme complexity.


    Using your own version of these equations, adapted to work with GPUs, group Kukulin were able to achieve almost 400 times faster in computation speed compared to a single core of a conventional processor using a GeForce GTX670, a relatively old and weak by today's standards accelerator. In this state, according to physics, ordinary personal computer is ten times faster than the supercomputer.
    "This work opens up entirely new avenues in the analysis of nuclear resonance and chemical reactions. It can also be very useful for solving a large number of computational problems in plasma physics, electrodynamics, Geophysics, medicine and many other fields of science. We want to organize something like training courses, where researchers of various scientific directions of the peripheral universities that do not have access to supercomputers could learn to do on their "desktops" same thing we do," concludes Kukulin.

    РИА Новости http://ria.ru/science/20160628/1453742744.html#ixzz4Cy6P9K2x

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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Jun 29, 2016 2:20 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:And pray tell, how many new jobs would actually be made?  If automation replaces jobs in the manufacturing line of spare parts, that removes hundreds of people who help make it.  Instead, a couple of people end up with a specialty job in order to maintain the machines.  How many people will it replace for high tech jobs when cashiers are no longer needed? How many cashiers?  I have physically seen how a whole warehouse full of hundreds of employees turn to maybe a dozen employees after automation took over.  Lets just say, it didn't create more jobs than lost.

    The essence of automaton and tech progress is to make more with less labor cost, i.e. "job lost" in certain sectors. You can't stop the evolution of science just because it manages to hire less people to make the things done.

    You cannot stop people from beginning deployment of T-64s just because the loader become jobless. You can't stop people from using mechanized armed forces because horse rider can be jobless. Instead, it is the social manager i.e. goverment duty to re-train these jobless people so that they can suit in the new environment.

    High unemployment means the goverment sucks, not because of automaton.

    It isn't really science. Its just technological in the sense of development but doesn't advance us any further than we already are.

    The most ridiculous meme is comparing automation to industrial revolution. In industrial revolution, it created more jobs than jobs lost, especially for those who used to work in agriculture. Issue is, this system isn't a new type of revolution but an extension of the last industrial revolution. And it sure did not work out well for horses in the end.

    Also, creating jobs for the sake of jobs, is artificial growth and also cannot last, much like the construction boom in China, with all those fake cities. Eventually it creates bubbles. Can't also retrain people if no alternative jobs were created. This is evident in the US back in early-mid 2000's when jobs moved overseas. Unofficial unemployment rates are really high in US. Most new jobs created? Low wage part time. So imagine even more job loss.

    @Gunship
    Your comment was inane. Bike rental shops? Gyms? How many employed by that? And creating an overestimated market in forms of same kind of shops every block creates a bubble and prevents growth. This is evident in countries like Turkey where they have a high number of self ownership of business. A market filled with the same type of businesses is a disaster. And it isn't guaranteed that people will attempt to open a gym or bike rental shops. Actually, bike rental shops barely exist here and car rental hires at best 5 people.

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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:30 pm

    More jobs were created because the system manage to utilize labours into other useful and meaningful works. In other words, tech developments caused job lost at certain sectors (because it require less manpower to handle the same workload), but the system managed to compensate by expore meaningful jobs at other newborn places and move the unemployed to these.

    Other systems has low meaningful employment because they failed to re-train and re-utilize the manpower.

    It is the duty of the system to re-utilize and re-train the workers to keep high meaningful employment with sufficient salary for the workers. If not, the system sucks. And it will be bypassed by other ones, or will be destroyed by its own citizens.

    In short, we can't blame the automaton stuffs. It is the system who have to take the responsibility.

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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  Singular_trafo on Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:28 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:

    Singular_trafo wrote:


    oh honey Smile I have an impression, maybe quite wrong one, you mix technological breakthrough with process engineering.

    You can use notebook to hammer nails or networked company to browse facebook all day long but this is not best way to prove technological progress is not contributing to overall efficiency.

    It is process improvement.

    It can be machining process, assebmly process, design process, development process.

    The "techincal breakthrough" is nothing else just the accumulation of small improvemnt that reach a certain treshold, like that fit a pocket, under 100 $, airborne, or reach the excape velocity,or the computational power and bandwith to support social networking.

    Economical efficiency improvement = GDP growth.

    Thee washing machine contributed to the GDP growth at that area by at least 20%, the facebook boosted the GDP by say 0.5%?or maybe less?

    If I found a way to increase the road network efficiency in a country by 5 % then it will increase the GDP by 0.5%.


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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  higurashihougi on Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:42 am

    @Gunship: Kondratiev Wave should be presented like this Very Happy

    Remember Lenin's spiral model of social development  Razz  Razz


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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  kvs on Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:14 am

    higurashihougi wrote:More jobs were created because the system manage to utilize labours into other useful and meaningful works. In other words, tech developments caused job lost at certain sectors (because it require less manpower to handle the same workload), but the system managed to compensate by expore meaningful jobs at other newborn places and move the unemployed to these.

    Other systems has low meaningful employment because they failed to re-train and re-utilize the manpower.

    It is the duty of the system to re-utilize and re-train the workers to keep high meaningful employment with sufficient salary for the workers. If not, the system sucks. And it will be bypassed by other ones, or will be destroyed by its own citizens.

    In short, we can't blame the automaton stuffs. It is the system who have to take the responsibility.

    You are stringing together phrases but they have no meaning. Why don't you specify what other "labours" would be available
    for the highly paid manufacturing workers that would at the very least preserve their pay level? Unlike such meaningless hot
    air, there is clear evidence that manufacturing jobs are replaced with low paying service sector jobs and not some mythical
    new jobs never seen before. There is simply no analogue today of the transition from farming to urban industry and services.
    None whatsoever. Yet you chose to blame the victims by claiming they lack training. Cut the crap.

    There is lots of vapid talk about "new economy" jobs related to the internet and software. But these are all boutique
    jobs requiring a tiny number of of workers. No "new economy" can consist of game developers writing computer games
    for each other. And Amazon.com will never employ millions of workers. And it's just another retail job shop anyway.
    Instead of spewing vacuous BS why not just face up to the fact that the post-industrial economy in the developed world
    is a dead end characterized by a vanishing middle class. The only innovation is globalization which has been making
    the super rich into the hyper rich. For the developing world there is plenty of growth and transition left since it is
    in the same process as the developed world was during the 1930s and 1940s. But that is irrelevant for the discussion.

    Maybe we will really expand into the solar system and into the space beyond. Then that would be a real new economy
    and it will need all sorts of sci fi high tech. But this new economy is just that, sci fi.

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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  higurashihougi on Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:32 am

    kvs wrote:You are stringing together phrases but they have no meaning.   Why don't you specify what other "labours" would be available
    for the highly paid manufacturing workers that would at the very least preserve their pay level?  Unlike such meaningless hot
    air, there is clear evidence that manufacturing jobs are replaced with low paying service sector jobs and not some mythical
    new jobs never seen before.   There is simply no analogue today of the transition from farming to urban industry and services.
    None whatsoever.  Yet you chose to blame the victims by claiming they lack training.  Cut the crap.

    There is lots of vapid talk about "new economy" jobs related to the internet and software.  But these are all boutique
    jobs requiring a tiny number of of workers.   No "new economy" can consist of game developers writing computer games
    for each other.   And Amazon.com will never employ millions of workers.   And it's just another retail job shop anyway.
    Instead of spewing vacuous BS why not just face up to the fact that the post-industrial economy in the developed world
    is a dead end characterized by a vanishing middle class.   The only innovation is globalization which has been making
    the super rich into the hyper rich.   For the developing world there is plenty of growth and transition left since it is
    in the same process as the developed world was during the 1930s and 1940s.   But that is irrelevant for the discussion.

    Maybe we will really expand into the solar system and into the space beyond.  Then that would be a real new economy
    and it will need all sorts of sci fi high tech.   But this new economy is just that, sci fi.  

    You misunderstand my comment. I did not put the blame on the workers. I put the blame on the system who fails to re-train and re-allocate them. It is the system's duty to explore new sectors for meaningful jobs and retrain the manpower to improve their adaptation and competitiveness in the labor market.

    If you replace the word "system" with "regime" or "government" then you will understand who do I put the blame to.

    I admit that failed to fathom exactly what meaningful new jobs for the moment, but you can't blame the depolyment of T-64 autoloader because the human loader will be jobless.

    All the issues you listed above only means that the system/regime/goverment sucks, not because of machines or automaton. Because the system sucks, it fails to maintain high meaningful employment and fail to check the rampage of scumbags like Georg Soros.

    Meanwhile I see a number of people who put the blame on the deployment of automatized manufacture process and other tech developments which reduce the required number of hired people for the same workload. F*** it, that is the aim of technological development.

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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:29 am

    Once again, you cannot re-train or re-allocate people to positions that don't exist because it was taken over by automation. Closest thing to total automation US faced was moving factories overseas to China. No job replacements.

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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  higurashihougi on Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:11 am

    sepheronx wrote:Once again, you cannot re-train or re-allocate people to positions that don't exist because it was taken over by automation.  Closest thing to total automation US faced was moving factories overseas to China.  No job replacements.

    Just for the sake of example, you can build new factory in other unexploited area and move the abundant worker there. One example about how to compensate for job lost by automaton.

    And there may be more example about job compensation, which a competent goverment can find out. I admit that I fail to fathom exactly what they are, since I am an incompetent manager.

    Some goverments fail to make job replacement because they are incompetent, because they are corrupted or degenerated, because they serve the super rich individuals rather than working class.

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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:28 pm

    Russian hardware-software complex for engineering calculations is FlowVision on the platform of Elbrus

    http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/79743/

    Institute of electronic control machines them. I. S. Bruk (INEUM, part of United Instrument manufacturing Corporation) in conjunction with the MCST, JSC and OOO TESIS successfully completed the first phase of the transfer to platform Elbrus software complex computational Aero - and hydrodynamics is FlowVision by creating a working prototype of a fully Russian hardware-software complex for performing industrial engineering calculations.
    Industrially produced serial processors and the availability of tools for developers on the platform Elbrus, including the compilation tool gave an opportunity to the developers of the company TESIS start initiative work on porting the x86 version of FlowVision on a platform Elbrus. Client-server modular architecture is Studied, written in C++, allowed in the shortest possible time to perform the porting of the core modules. Technical Director TESIS Andrey Aksenov said: "we have not had any major difficulties and problems when migrating a version of FlowVision on a platform Elbrus, and all technical issues were resolved in a fast and qualified support programmers AO MCST".
    Currently the software package FlowVision allows to use server four-processor Elbrus-4.4 for calculations and workstation Elbrus‑401 for visualization and results analysis. Due to the high degree of parallelism is Studied full-scale launch of numerical simulation possible on a compute cluster of servers Elbrus-4.4. In particular, a cluster of servers Elbrus-4.4 with a total peak performance of 13.8 teraflops with up to 64 servers, was developed in INEUM by order of the Ministry of industry and trade.

    Thanks to the joint efforts of specialists INEUM, MCST and TESIS, an important step towards the creation of a fully Russian software and hardware systems for the solution of engineering tasks throughout the product life cycle. This work is due to the increased requirements on information security and demand from enterprises of the military-industrial complex, space industry, aviation and shipbuilding industries and enterprises of Rosatom.
    The hardware and software complex FlowVision-Elbrus" for solving problems of computational hydro - and aerodynamics has the following characteristics:
    comparable in volume and quality of opportunities and global level, and in some features superior to many foreign products;
    ready to use at the enterprises of defense industry and other industries, came under Western sanctions;
    the ruble has competitive prices irrespective of currency fluctuations.
    Software complex computational Aero - and hydrodynamics is Studied on the platform of Elbrus was first presented at the forum "the Digital industry industrial Russia" (CIPROFLOXACIN) in Innopolis June 7-10, 2016.
    It should be noted that the decision on transfer of the software complex FlowVision on the platform Elbrus was made by companies MCST and TESIS on the National supercomputer ForumNSCP-2015, in which both companies took part (for more details see: MCST and TESIS). The forum is held in the ISS named after A. K. aylamazyan ran with the support of the FANO Russia and Department of nanotechnologies and information technologies of RAS, dedicated to the creation and practical application of supercomputer technologies, promotes development of cooperation of Russian companies and enterprises on the subject. Also to work with the platform Elbrus on a proactive basis joined the team of the chair of "Electronic computing machines and systems"from the Volgograd Polytechnic University, which started research the performance of the Elbrus architecture for different computational algorithms.
    The forum NSCF-2016, which will begin its work on 29 November 2016, MCST and the TESIS will submit a detailed report on the work done, as well as demonstrate the work of local hardware-software complex "FlowVision-Elbrus" for the execution of industrial engineering calculations.
    Institute of electronic control machines them. I. S. Bruk included in "Combined instrument Corporation (OPK, is included in the state Corporation "rostec"). Development servers Elbrus 4.4 was supported by the Ministry of industry and trade of Russia.






    sepheronx wrote:Once again, you cannot re-train or re-allocate people to positions that don't exist because it was taken over by automation.  Closest thing to total automation US faced was moving factories overseas to China.  No job replacements.

    no you canot, but who says thet automation relasing some jobs is not letting to create new ones? in fact scientific progress helps to do this. Without internet alibaba, amazon, Cisco or Kaspersky would not exist.

    So you can train people for positions in new branches of economy. No need for simple repeatable jobs ,in often hazardous environment? maybe better. But you need jobs in recycling, aerospace, IT, services...

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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:34 pm

    higurashihougi wrote: Some goverments fail to make job replacement because they are incompetent, because they are corrupted or degenerated, because they serve the super rich individuals rather than working class.

    usually mix of all Smile in Eastenr Europe often mentally colonized. Once I have read interview us professor of socio economics. She was saying c´mon you (Poles) look like West is better mroe civilized. It is not true it is "mental colonization" work on economy but no need to feel underdog, west is not any better this is just game of money. Polish media said she was wrong we are europeans and we have to reach civilization level of west Very Happy:D:D

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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:47 pm

    Singular_trafo wrote: It is process improvement.
    It can be machining process, assebmly process, design process, development process.

    I am afraid first you need to engineer process or if you prefer to create before you can improve it....



    Singular_trafo wrote:
    The "techincal breakthrough" is nothing else just the accumulation of small improvemnt that reach a certain treshold, like that fit a pocket, under 100 $, airborne, or reach the excape velocity,or the computational power and bandwith to support social networking.

    improvements in technology not really in science in most cases yes. Aeroplane was improvement of what precisely or quantum computing?


    Singular_trafo wrote:
    Economical efficiency improvement = GDP growth.

    but is there one definition of efficiency? of course no, if we take product price/working hours then with crude on 150USD/ barrel Saudis have very efficien t economy regardless then 75% of natives nothing all the time. But not working = less hours, hight price = high value product... as we can see such approach is not really reflecting reality


    Singular_trafo wrote:
    Thee washing machine contributed to the GDP growth at that area by at least 20%, the facebook boosted the GDP by say 0.5%?or maybe less?

    If I found a way to increase the road network efficiency in a country by 5 % then it will increase the GDP by 0.5%.

    Hmmm this 20% has any source or we talk about gut feelings? if source pls provide if you got a hunch then I am not denying you might be right but it´s hard to discuss with feelings...otherwise it will be feeling vs feeling Smile

    BTW Facebook did not boost economy? their adverts, money flows. , marketing for 2 billions of people ? interesting observation




    higurashihougi wrote:@Gunship: Kondratiev Wave should be presented like this Very Happy

    Remember Lenin's spiral model of social development  Razz  Razz


    :-) hehe I knew you´r ol´ good commie. Damn you´re red!!! respekt respekt respekt

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    Post  higurashihougi on Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:53 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:in Eastenr Europe often mentally colonized. Once I have read interview us professor of socio economics. She was saying c´mon you (Poles) look like West is better mroe civilized. It is not true it is "mental colonization" work on economy but no need to feel underdog, west is not any better this is just game of money. Polish media said she was wrong we are europeans and we have to reach civilization level of west Very Happy:D:D

    It is the Eastern European and Central European who spearhead the industrial revolution, not Western Europe.

    Historical textbooks usually emphasis the deployment of steams engine and growth of light industry in Britian as the sign of "industrial revolution". No. Steam engine had been created long before James Watt, remember Heron, Newcomen, or Ivan Polzunov ?

    Industrial revolution began at the sector of heavy industry - at that time it was steel processing and weaponmaker. And it began in Eastern Europe, thanks to the invasion of Genghis Khan and his successors. The Mongol learned advanced steel processing from India (the cement furnace) and other inventions from China and Asia, and they brought these to Russia and Eastern Europe during their invasion. Industrial and commercial cities flourished in Germany, Bohemia, Northern Italia,... and moved to Western Europe. The Western Europe countries (Eng, Fra, Spa, Port) later utilized Eastern inventions in their expeditions in America and Asia.

    In other words, Eastern Europe is the heart and workhouse of industrial revolution, while Western Europe use the industrial products to rob, kill, invade, make genocide, etc etc.

    Sweden was one of the first who used drilled barrel muskets. Tsar Pyotr the Great quickly adapted that. Drilled barrel muskets was used in Western Europe much later, in 171x if my memory is correct.

    Dreyser needle gun, Mauser, Mosin, spitzer bullet, them PPSh, then AK, then HK Gxx, FN xxx... yes, the great products of Eastern and Central Europe. Meanwhile, Chassepots was stupid, Lebel was even more stupid. And M16 was legendary for its stupidity in design.

    The Siemens furnace, aka open hearth furnace, is a product of a German inventor.

    Eastern and Central Europe are characterized for their system of industrial cities, based on factories and community of craftsmen and engineers. In Germany, the medieval craftsmen and merchants gathered together, accumulated capital, began to organized workshops and factories, built the free cities which were independent from feudal lords. In Russia, the Tsars like Pyotr and Stalin used their brutal authorities to organized and built the extensive system of industrial cities, such as Tula, Sverdlosk, Tomsk, Kharkov, Nizni Tagil, Kosomol on Amur, Irkust,... and set the foundation for the rise of Russian technocrats. The powerful industrial cities managed to preserved the life force for technocrats even when Russian central goverment became degenerated (for example in the late 19th century, or the period from 1991 to 2000).

    I don't know much about Poland's industrial cities, though. pwnd pwnd I think they are equally good. pwnd pwnd

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    Post  higurashihougi on Fri Jul 01, 2016 5:05 am

    https://www.rt.com/business/349025-hyperloop-project-russia-technology/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

    Moscow to launch Hyperloop pilot project by year end

    A new transportation system that could whisk commuters around Moscow at speeds of up to 1,200kph may be on its way. Deputy Mayor Maxim Liksutov says a pilot Hyperloop project could begin in December.

    “In the next few years we’ll see a major breakthrough in the development of technologies which will facilitate our lives... Hopefully, Hyperloop technology will be developed, and, as far as I know, the pilot project will be launched in December. We will see how the theory works in practice,” Liksutov said on Thursday at the Moscow Urban Forum.

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    Post  sepheronx on Fri Jul 01, 2016 9:27 pm

    "Angstrom" has developed a unique space transistors

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    Post  sepheronx on Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:00 pm

    MCST Showcases Elbrus 1C+ – First Elbrus architecture based processor-controlled clock frequency and voltage of the OS

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    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Jul 02, 2016 3:03 am

    sepheronx wrote:"Angstrom" has developed a unique space transistors

    KRET is gonna be happy.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Jul 02, 2016 3:15 am

    FPI and VIAM has successfully tested the first Russian engine, made by 3D technology

    http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/79611/



    The advanced research Foundation and all-Russian scientific research Institute of aviation materials (VIAM) to conduct joint research on development of advanced metal-particle materials and the development of additive technologies for the production of complex machine parts and mechanisms. With this purpose on the base of VIAM and lab stock provided the most advanced technical and technological equipment.
    Last week, scientists managed to organize and successfully carry out the demonstration experiment to confirm the efficiency of compact gas turbine engine components and assemblies which is made of developed in cooperation with VIAM metal-powder compositions and modes of additive manufacturing.
    This experiment took place on the territory of this country for the first time. Previously with additive manufacturing, they were able to produce only a few details of propulsion systems are not subject to high loads. In the experiment, the FPR of VIAM participated the engine in General.
    "Overall, we are satisfied by results of experiment the result of which can be called intermediate for the amount of work that we planned in cooperation with VIAM. Obviously, we will continue to work together for development in our country, additive technologies, in the direction of expanding the range of collateral materials and creation of their own, not having world analogues, installations, 3-D printing," — said at the end of the experiment, the Deputy Director General of the DCF — head of chemical-biological and medical research Alexander Panfilov.





    higurashihougi wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:in Eastenr Europe often mentally colonized. Once I have read interview us professor of socio economics. She was saying c´mon you (Poles) look like West is better mroe civilized. It is not true it is "mental colonization" work on economy but no need to feel underdog, west is not any better this is just game of money. Polish media said she was wrong we are europeans and we have to reach civilization level of west Very Happy:D:D

    It is the Eastern European and Central European who spearhead the industrial revolution, not Western Europe.
    The Siemens furnace, aka open hearth furnace, is a product of a German inventor.

    No need to overhype eastern Europe part. Does not mean they did not do anything but development was hampered by lack of colonies (wealth transfer) and politicians´ lack of strategic thinking. Romanovs´ in XIX were way worse in area of economy then Ivan Terrible or Peter I ..

    AFAIK Stalin in 30s said: we are backward in industry and technology. We have 10 years and either we reach same level of we cease to exist...


    higurashihougi wrote: I don't know much about Poland's industrial cities, though. pwnd pwnd  I think they are equally good. pwnd pwnd

    naah they are better Razz




    higurashihougi wrote: Western Europe use the industrial products to rob, kill, invade, make genocide, etc etc.

    True, this is the way their civilization evolved. But all was about wealth transfer not killing. Killing is just tool.
    T-Rex is not killing for fun, T-Rex is hungry...



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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Jul 02, 2016 3:18 am

    The company STANEXIM introduced gear grinding technological complex SMG360GHF4 made on the basis of domestic grinding machine, CNC. The complex combines the functions of the machine and coordinate measuring machines to measure gears.


    http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/79739/






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    sepheronx wrote:"Angstrom" has developed a unique space transistors

    KRET is gonna be happy.

    for VI gen fighter Very Happy

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    Post  higurashihougi on Sat Jul 02, 2016 8:04 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:FPI and VIAM has successfully tested the first Russian engine, made by 3D technology

    http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/79611/

    I still don't understand how people can print the heat resistant materiel and parts which are very common in heat-used engines. Stuffs like titanium is very hard to melt and even harder to be printed.

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    Post  Singular_trafo on Sat Jul 02, 2016 8:35 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:

    I am afraid first you need to engineer process or if you prefer to create before you can improve it....


    improvements in technology not really in science in most cases yes. Aeroplane was improvement of what precisely or quantum computing?

    When you engineer a process you use your previous experience, and that is nothing else just the imprint of a process.

    If you have in your mind a good process ,then the designed machine/ plant will have good quality,and can be run cheap and efficiently.

    However if you don't know what you talk about then the plant /machines/indsutrial processes that you design will be rubish and useless.

    To make airplane you need an enigne with a minimal power/weight ratio,under a certain number it is not possible to make airplane.

    As soon as the engines reached this threshold everyone started to make airplanes, and the process started, and everyone worked to improve the design.

    As soon as the petrol engine power/weight reached another certain threshold the helicopter become possible, and see Sykorsky.
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    but is there one definition of efficiency? of course no, if we take product price/working hours then with crude on 150USD/ barrel Saudis have very efficien t economy regardless then 75% of natives nothing all the time. But not working = less hours, hight price = high value product... as we can see such approach is not really reflecting reality



    Try to do quantum computing without 100 years of semicondutor industry / lithography development.You need nanometer capable processes to play with it.

    And the quantum computing needs a lot of process improvement to become usable.

    There is one definition of economical efficiency, and that is the required ammounf of work for a given purpose/product/service.
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    Hmmm this 20% has any source or we talk about gut feelings? if source pls provide if you got a hunch then I am not denying you might be right but it´s hard to discuss with feelings...otherwise it will be feeling vs feeling Smile

    BTW Facebook did not boost economy? their adverts, money flows. , marketing for 2 billions of people ? interesting observation

    Are you aware how much time it takes to wash WITHOUT machine?

    WITHOUT washing machine 15 % of the population time would be spent on washing,and another big chunk of time would be spent to fight infections.

    So, AT THE MOMENT the washing machien increase the GDP by 15-20%.

    Over 50 years it increased the productivity by 20-30%, due to the investment effect.

    Compared to this, how much is the efficiency improvement of the Facebook?


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