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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  kvs on Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:55 am



    Russian researchers have created an improved process to manufacture "transparent aluminum". Not quite the Star Trek BS, but close.
    Note that metals cannot be transparent by definition since they have mobile electrons and are thus strong absorbers in the whole EM spectrum.
    Oxides of metals can be transparent since they are insulators that lack mobile electrons. This particular glass is AlON (aluminum oxinitride) and
    has nice properties for use as bullet proof glass and in lasers.

    https://phys.org/news/2017-07-russian-scientists-technology-production-transparent.html

    Specialists from the National Research Nuclear University MEPhI and multi-institutional collaborators have developed a technology to produce compacts from aluminum oxynitride (ALON). They've published their results in IOP Conference Series: Materials Science and Engineering.

    To obtain "transparent aluminum," researchers at the Institute of nuclear physics and engineering (INPhE) MEPhI applied the method of spark-plasma sintering. This is a new sintering process based on the modified method of hot pressing. In this case, electric current is passed directly through the mold and pressing billet, but not through an external heater. Very rapid heating is achieved by pulsed current for an extremely short work-cycle time.

    "Among all present ceramics of medium density, aluminum oxynitride has a significantly high strength, comparable to that of YAG ((yttrium aluminum garnet) and cubic zirconia (stabilized zirconium oxide). Its toughness, which is the most important characteristic for armor protection, surpasses those of all transparent materials including quartz glass, fused quartz, spinel and leucosapphire," explains one of the authors of the publication, postgraduate student of INPhE Nikita Rubinkovskii.

    Fans of Star Trek will recall that in the fourth movie, The Voyage Home, a material called "transparent aluminum" plays an important role in the story. Such materials have already been created and successfully used. It's four times stronger than aluminosilicate glass, and more scratch resistant. In addition, this material can withstand temperatures up to 2100 degree Celsius.

    Currently, the penetrating power of small arms and small-caliber artillery forces the developers of protection equipment to improve the performance of armor materials and protective structures. This is especially true of transparent armor materials. Transparent polycrystalline ceramics is the most promising in this respect, in particular, ceramics based on aluminum oxynitride. It is possible to obtain transparent products of complex shape using the ceramics technology processes of molding and sintering.

    The developers also claim that ALON can be used in several military and commercial applications, e.g., windows and domes for spacecraft and outer transparent armor.



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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:05 am

    Kalashnikov introduces electronic motorbike for police:



    Guess part of the diversification of the military industrial complex. Pretty cool!
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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:33 am

    http://marchmontnews.com/Industry-Manufacturing/Central-regions/21830-Russias-first-smart-factory-open-later-this-year-.html

    Russia’s first “smart factory” to open later this year

    Russia’s first “smart factory” is slated for launch by the end of this year in Rybinsk, in the Yaroslavl region north of Moscow. It will become a test range to fine-tune and commercialize domestic innovative solutions for industry which are expected to pave the way for developing a new model of industrial management in this country. The factory will be based at UEC – Gas Turbines, a large industrial company formerly known as Saturn and even earlier Rybinsk Engines.

    As part of this test range project, IT solutions by Russian developers will be used to manufacture complex products, such as engine components. It is not another technopark where developers work separately from real industry, the project owners emphasized. It is going to be collaboration with UEC – Gas Turbines’ highly skilled staff, using well developed infrastructure.

    All parts of the “smart factory” will be fully automated, turning the premises into a “Lego” kind of industrial site with all production lines easily upgradable and refocused. Industrial Internet of Things (IoT) solutions are at the heart of a self-contained system that will run all subsystems within the project. Management will be fully renovated, based on advanced product lifecycle management (PLM) approach that is expected to ensure integration with logistics and servicing centers, and provide feedback.

    According to Dmitry Ivanov, UEC – Gas Turbines’ director for innovation, the test range project will cost a total of around $120m. It is expected that as many as 20 key technologies will have been polished and refined for industrial applications by the end of a starting three-year period. If fine-tuned properly, the technology solutions may be purchased by UEC – Gas Turbines.
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    Post  Singular_Transform on Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:05 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:http://marchmontnews.com/Industry-Manufacturing/Central-regions/21830-Russias-first-smart-factory-open-later-this-year-.html

    Russia’s first “smart factory” to open later this year

    Russia’s first “smart factory” is slated for launch by the end of this year in Rybinsk, in the Yaroslavl region north of Moscow. It will become a test range to fine-tune and commercialize domestic innovative solutions for industry which are expected to pave the way for developing a new model of industrial management in this country. The factory will be based at UEC – Gas Turbines, a large industrial company formerly known as Saturn and even earlier Rybinsk Engines.

    As part of this test range project, IT solutions by Russian developers will be used to manufacture complex products, such as engine components. It is not another technopark where developers work separately from real industry, the project owners emphasized. It is going to be collaboration with UEC – Gas Turbines’ highly skilled staff, using well developed infrastructure.

    All parts of the “smart factory” will be fully automated, turning the premises into a “Lego” kind of industrial site with all production lines easily upgradable and refocused. Industrial Internet of Things (IoT) solutions are at the heart of a self-contained system that will run all subsystems within the project. Management will be fully renovated, based on advanced product lifecycle management (PLM) approach that is expected to ensure integration with logistics and servicing centers, and provide feedback.

    According to Dmitry Ivanov, UEC – Gas Turbines’ director for innovation, the test range project will cost a total of around $120m. It is expected that as many as 20 key technologies will have been polished and refined for industrial applications by the end of a starting three-year period. If fine-tuned properly, the technology solutions may be purchased by UEC – Gas Turbines.

    This is a failed project, with minimal payback.
    Bad to see that how many place fall into the "why not use IT based manufacturing system to satisfy control freaks" trap.
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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  kvs on Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:39 pm

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/97258/#cut

    The fuel cells developed for AIP in Russia diesel subs are being commercialized.

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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  Project Canada on Fri Sep 01, 2017 4:51 pm


    Putin Reveals Who Will Be the Lord of the World

    Russia's President Putin has revealed which technological sphere will determine the future leader of the world.

    "Artificial intelligence is not only the future of Russia, but the future of all mankind. It holds both tremendous opportunities and is fraught with scarcely predictable dangers. Whoever takes the lead in this sphere will become Lord of the World," President Putin told Russian schoolchildren during an open lesson on their first day of the new school year.

    https://sputniknews.com/russia/201709011057000758-putin-schoolchildren-world-lord/
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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  AlfaT8 on Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:47 pm

    Project Canada wrote:
    Putin Reveals Who Will Be the Lord of the World

    Russia's President Putin has revealed which technological sphere will determine the future leader of the world.

    "Artificial intelligence is not only the future of Russia, but the future of all mankind. It holds both tremendous opportunities and is fraught with scarcely predictable dangers. Whoever takes the lead in this sphere will become Lord of the World," President Putin told Russian schoolchildren during an open lesson on their first day of the new school year.

    https://sputniknews.com/russia/201709011057000758-putin-schoolchildren-world-lord/

    Uhm... sound like he's simply trying to push kids into I.T, rather then some grand reveal.
    Personally, i would have gone with space exploration.

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    Post  Project Canada on Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:56 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Project Canada wrote:
    Putin Reveals Who Will Be the Lord of the World

    Russia's President Putin has revealed which technological sphere will determine the future leader of the world.

    "Artificial intelligence is not only the future of Russia, but the future of all mankind. It holds both tremendous opportunities and is fraught with scarcely predictable dangers. Whoever takes the lead in this sphere will become Lord of the World," President Putin told Russian schoolchildren during an open lesson on their first day of the new school year.

    https://sputniknews.com/russia/201709011057000758-putin-schoolchildren-world-lord/

    Uhm... sound like he's simply trying to push kids into I.T, rather then some grand reveal.
    Personally, i would have gone with space exploration.

    You have a good point, however at the moment Russia can't completely boast about space exploration because 1) Angara rockets are still in early development, 2) Construction of Vostochny is still in progress. Somewhere down the road when Russia can launch manned flights to space from its territory then Russia can start promoting its space programs more actively.
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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  AlfaT8 on Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:47 pm

    Project Canada wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Project Canada wrote:
    Putin Reveals Who Will Be the Lord of the World

    Russia's President Putin has revealed which technological sphere will determine the future leader of the world.

    "Artificial intelligence is not only the future of Russia, but the future of all mankind. It holds both tremendous opportunities and is fraught with scarcely predictable dangers. Whoever takes the lead in this sphere will become Lord of the World," President Putin told Russian schoolchildren during an open lesson on their first day of the new school year.

    https://sputniknews.com/russia/201709011057000758-putin-schoolchildren-world-lord/

    Uhm... sound like he's simply trying to push kids into I.T, rather then some grand reveal.
    Personally, i would have gone with space exploration.

    You have a good point, however at the moment Russia can't  completely  boast about space exploration  because 1) Angara rockets are still in early  development, 2) Construction  of Vostochny  is still in progress. Somewhere  down the road when Russia can launch manned flights to space from its territory  then Russia can start promoting  its space programs  more actively.

    Uhm.... that depends, how old are these kids, and how long will 1 and 2 be ready?
    If the pic in the article is accurate, and these kids are already looking into there carrier choice, than your correct.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:26 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Project Canada wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Project Canada wrote:
    Putin Reveals Who Will Be the Lord of the World

    Russia's President Putin has revealed which technological sphere will determine the future leader of the world.

    "Artificial intelligence is not only the future of Russia, but the future of all mankind. It holds both tremendous opportunities and is fraught with scarcely predictable dangers. Whoever takes the lead in this sphere will become Lord of the World," President Putin told Russian schoolchildren during an open lesson on their first day of the new school year.

    https://sputniknews.com/russia/201709011057000758-putin-schoolchildren-world-lord/

    Uhm... sound like he's simply trying to push kids into I.T, rather then some grand reveal.
    Personally, i would have gone with space exploration.

    You have a good point, however at the moment Russia can't  completely  boast about space exploration  because 1) Angara rockets are still in early  development, 2) Construction  of Vostochny  is still in progress. Somewhere  down the road when Russia can launch manned flights to space from its territory  then Russia can start promoting  its space programs  more actively.

    Uhm.... that depends, how old are these kids, and how long will 1 and 2 be ready?
    If the pic in the article is accurate, and these kids are already looking into there carrier choice, than your correct.


    Dont wanna be boring but AI (in foreseeable future paired with quantum computing) THE tool to the future. It wont explore space alone but without AI you wont win space race either.


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    Post  kvs on Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:51 am

    I don't see any Russian disadvantage in the field of AI. And it is not around the corner no matter the noise level
    from clowns like Musk and even "respectables" like Hawking. Aside from stapling standard quantum on a GR background,
    (QM and GR are inconsistent on a fundamental level; the former demands a flat space-time. Any talk you hear about
    gravitons has nothing to do with GR but originates from field theory "approximations" from mostly the 1960s. As of now
    QM and GR have not been reconciled.) Hawking has not contributed anything to AI so his future predictions are no more
    valid than your next door neighbour.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Sep 10, 2017 1:13 am

    kvs wrote:I don't see any Russian disadvantage in the field of AI.    And it is not around the corner no matter the noise level
    from clowns like Musk and even "respectables" like Hawking.    Aside from stapling standard quantum on a GR background,
    (QM and GR are inconsistent on a fundamental level; the former demands a flat space-time.  Any talk you hear about
    gravitons has nothing to do with GR but originates from field theory "approximations" from mostly the 1960s.  As of now
    QM and GR have not been reconciled.)  Hawking has not contributed anything to AI so his future predictions are no more
    valid than your next door neighbour.  

    Did I say anything about Russian disadvantageous position? Not that  I remember. The only disadvantage is commercialization. Baidu, Alibaba have billions of USD to invest in AI toys.  Amazon alone invests in R&D 16bln USD/yr  not all in AI true but Data Science is huge part of it .  How can you compare this to Russian scale of AI investments?

    As for AI. Depends how you define AI. first wave? second one or third? or new approach that will come after Deep Learning? If you think about Red Queen form Resident Evil, then no. Not yet. If you think about better medical diagnosis then human or better strategy for investment it is already there.
    On market.

    What is in military labs we can only guess. As for AI and quantum computing there is a synergy. Unless you know something quys from D-Wave systems or Google Labs dont?


    BTW not there huh? Smile

    Beyond video games: New artificial intelligence beats tactical experts in combat simulation


    Artificial intelligence (AI) developed by a University of Cincinnati doctoral graduate was recently assessed by subject-matter expert and retired United States Air Force Colonel Gene Lee - who holds extensive aerial combat experience as an instructor and Air Battle Manager with considerable fighter aircraft expertise - in a high-fidelity air combat simulator.
    The artificial intelligence, dubbed ALPHA, was the victor in that simulated scenario, and according to Lee, is "the most aggressive, responsive, dynamic and credible AI I've seen to date."
    And, anymore, when Lee flies against ALPHA in hours-long sessions that mimic real missions, "I go home feeling washed out. I'm tired, drained and mentally exhausted. This may be artificial intelligence, but it represents a real challenge."

    Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2016-06-video-games-artificial-intelligence-tactical.html#jCp
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Sep 10, 2017 3:03 am

    It isn't all about the amount they invest in either. We also do have so little information on were exactly the funds are going to. Amazon doesn't invest that much, believe me. Their entire financial structure of investment is in data centers and distribution. I work for a particular competitor and I know what they invest in and what we invest in. Don't be fooled into a lot of this technology because a huge portion of it is gimmicks that aren't as useful mixed in ridiculous amounts of marketing. What most people don't grasp, is how much marketing costs.

    Russian universities hold competition every year in AI development and other software skills and this year they heals one using Elbrus based machines. Results were quite good. You don't need to shell out tons of money on something to expect results. Funny thing about that belief is that you need to. But it is what causes inflation and overall expensive toys (VR as example).

    We will see the results eventually. I know Yandex really gets involved in AI development. Their new search engine structure is AI based, compared to Google analysts based.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Sep 10, 2017 4:55 am

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/97796/

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:28 am

    miketheterrible wrote:It isn't all about the amount they invest in either. We also do have so little information on were exactly the funds are going to. Amazon doesn't invest that much, believe me. Their entire financial structure of investment is in data centers and distribution. I work for a particular competitor and I know what they invest in and what we invest in.  Don't be fooled into a lot of this technology because a huge portion of it is gimmicks that aren't as useful mixed in ridiculous amounts of marketing. What most people don't grasp, is how much marketing costs.

    Russian universities hold competition every year in AI development and other software skills and this year they heals one using Elbrus based machines. Results were quite good. You don't need to shell out tons of money on something to expect results. Funny thing about that belief is that you need to. But it is what causes inflation and overall expensive toys (VR as example).

    We will see the results eventually. I know Yandex really gets involved in AI development. Their new search engine structure is AI based, compared to Google analysts based.

    dont get me wrong I am big fan of Russia competing in AI market. But for this skills are not enough. Money is that counts too. Even if Russian startup comes with brilliant innovation then what? who is gonna pour 60 Billions of Rubles in scaling up? This is where I see the problem.

    Yandex sure (Alisa if you are not sure what it is ask her Smile has around 1 BLn USD turnover. CISCO alone invests 5bln in R&D, Google 11 BLN and Amazon around 15 bln... Here is the problem. I hope that with Russia on govt level will keep pace of investments




    Companies that can do this are fairly small in Russia and this must be either state or state funding via banks.


    BTW Amazon - doubles R&D staff both in Berlin and London this year. Is there any place in Russia where 1000 scientists work on AI in one place?

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-06-16/amazon-isn-t-just-spending-big-bucks-on-groceries




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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Sep 10, 2017 2:01 pm



    Russia will become a leader in the implementation of blockchain technology, said the head of VEB

    Russia will become a leader in the implementation of blockchain technology, said the head of VEB.

    "We are also in negotiations with "Rostelecom" and "Mail of Russia" on the possibility of using the blockchain," said Gorkov.

    "No one knows how many Russia "mines", we have created a group on the level of the government of the Russian Federation on the introduction of the blockchain (headed by the first Vice-Premier of Russia Igor Shuvalov, ed.), this is not in any country of the world. I think that Russia can be a leader in 2018 by the introduction of blockchain technology" — said the head of VEB.

    Blockchain system organization of distributed databases. This technology allows to significantly optimize the costs of corporate and public governance.

    https://ria.ru/economy/20170909/1502153429.html

    My question is can it help to de-dollarize Russian economy (no SWIFT, no banks no sanctions...) and how to keep it form money laundering.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Sep 10, 2017 2:48 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:It isn't all about the amount they invest in either. We also do have so little information on were exactly the funds are going to. Amazon doesn't invest that much, believe me. Their entire financial structure of investment is in data centers and distribution. I work for a particular competitor and I know what they invest in and what we invest in.  Don't be fooled into a lot of this technology because a huge portion of it is gimmicks that aren't as useful mixed in ridiculous amounts of marketing. What most people don't grasp, is how much marketing costs.

    Russian universities hold competition every year in AI development and other software skills and this year they heals one using Elbrus based machines. Results were quite good. You don't need to shell out tons of money on something to expect results. Funny thing about that belief is that you need to. But it is what causes inflation and overall expensive toys (VR as example).

    We will see the results eventually. I know Yandex really gets involved in AI development. Their new search engine structure is AI based, compared to Google analysts based.

    dont get me wrong I am big fan of Russia competing in AI market. But for this skills are not enough.  Money is that counts too. Even if Russian startup comes with brilliant innovation then what? who is gonna pour 60 Billions of Rubles in scaling up? This is where  I see the problem.

    Yandex  sure (Alisa if you are not sure what it is ask her Smile has around 1 BLn USD turnover.  CISCO alone invests 5bln in R&D, Google 11 BLN and Amazon around 15 bln... Here is the problem. I hope that with Russia on govt level will keep pace of investments




    Companies that can do this are fairly small in Russia and this must be either state or state funding via banks.


    BTW Amazon - doubles R&D staff both in Berlin and London this year.  Is there any place in Russia where 1000 scientists work on AI in one place?

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-06-16/amazon-isn-t-just-spending-big-bucks-on-groceries





    you really don't know what your talking about. I have to work in the analysts field, and I can tell you, that you are reading too much business news and not realising what is going on.  Trust me, we don't invest as much as you think into these specific fields. Companies do investments if they know they will get a return. They don't do it for shits and giggles. So these are specifics. Company I work for is investing large sums for automation and AI. Not exactly how you may think though.

    Ill give you an example. US universities have budgets 100x that of Russia, yet, they lose out to Russian students most of the time in international academic competitions.

    You think that pumping lots of money creates innovation. It doesn't. What we are witnessing is an inflation not seen since Zimbabwe without having the US dollar being worthless in international market.  The MiC in US is testimony to this.

    If you read zerohedge, they talk about the current IT bubble in US waiting to pop. Billions in "value" of nothing.

    Why I used yandex as example is they have done a lot more than Google did in shorter period of time with significantly less budget. Its an example everyone should follow.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:38 pm

    miketheterrible wrote: you really don't know what your talking about. I have to work in the analysts field, and I can tell you, that you are reading too much business news and not realising what is going on.  Trust me, we don't invest as much as you think into these specific fields. Companies do investments if they know they will get a return. They don't do it for shits and giggles. So these are specifics. Company I work for is investing large sums for automation and AI. Not exactly how you may think though.
    .

    Actually in area of AI and financing  I do not from press:) .  Not sure about your assumptions but as for AI there is no need to argue. I am saying that Russia does not have now a mechanism to scale up startups like stock exchange and investment funds in US or support of state for commercial enterprises like China.

    It is not enough to be smart you need money to implement and market your idea to product right? You have successful startup but your competitors got 10x financing guess who will win? It does not matter that much if your spending is optimal or not if your investments are greater by order or 2 orders of magnitude.  



    The second issue I see is market. You need to sell what you built. West extended own sphere of influence in large portion f world and there is no such thing like free market.
    Russian hi tech will be one or the other way bu non market means pushed out.


    These are challenges I can see now. If I am wrong please point where exactly.




    miketheterrible wrote:
    Ill give you an example. US universities have budgets 100x that of Russia, yet, they lose out to Russian students most of the time in international academic competitions.
    .


    Not loosing to all but to some exceptional people who en masse go where work where the better bmoney is. Guess where. Who's R&D whey will support then. Let me reverse your question how many Russian scientists are working in US and how many US in Russia?

    miketheterrible wrote:  Why I used yandex as example is they have done a lot more than Google did in shorter period of time with significantly less budget.  Its an example everyone should follow.

    Yandex did more then Google? with my all sympathy to Yandex in which field exactly? hardware? drones? AI? customer base? revenues?
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:10 pm

    Yandex growth is far more in shorter years than Google's start did. Same with use of AI as I mentioned. Drones and the rest is nothing, no need for you to even compare since that is amateur talk. Hardware isn't even made by any of the companies you posted. Hardware is purchased elsewhere and then made into something else. Asia produces those, excluding some IC's at Intel fabs or manufacturers like supermicro, IBM and or Oracle which have used Taiwan for years anyway for their IC development.

    The other points are meaningless. Russian scientists are everywhere due to fact that they churn out programmers and alike more than others due to their educational system, which I highlighted before as a good thing. So your not gonna find much US researchers as most of them are from outside the country to begin with.

    You can lie to yourself all you want on this importance, but all you are comparing to are simple commercial projects what you think is AI, isn't. The only companies actually involved in it are companies like Gooogle, Yandex, Facebook and alike. Even then, for commercial use and isn't true AI anyway.  I wish I could tell you who I work for, but then it becomes simple to round down to who I am for others in same company and that's a no no. But essentially, our AI development isn't real AI. But on market and paper, it is. Sorters are example of said AI.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:44 pm


    Vann will shit his bed lol1

    Russia Rolls Out Its Own VR Helmets

    https://sputniknews.com/science/201709111057289957-russia-virtual-reality-helmets/


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:07 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Yandex growth is far more in shorter years than Google's start did.
    Yandex founded in 2000, Google 1998. Right



    miketheterrible wrote: Same with use of AI as I mentioned. Drones and the rest is nothing, no need for you to even compare since that is amateur talk.  
    Hardware isn't even made by any of the companies you posted. Hardware is purchased elsewhere and then made into something else.

    Yes those companies are called subsidiaries of Alphabet in Google's case. Like Boston Robotics,Deep Mind or Motorola Mobility. Please stay focused. We might differ in opinions but do not get personal.







    miketheterrible wrote: You can lie to yourself all you want on this importance, but all you are comparing to are simple commercial projects what you think is AI, isn't. The only companies actually involved in it are companies like Gooogle, Yandex, Facebook and alike. Even then, for commercial use and isn't true AI anyway.  I wish I could tell you who I work for, but then it becomes simple to round down to who I am for others in same company and that's a no no. But essentially, our AI development isn't real AI. But on market and paper, it is. Sorters are example of said AI.


    hmmm tell me what is real AI for you pls? This real deal not some fake news stuff vision systems using Tensor Flow or Carnegie Caffe's frameworks or Amazon's autonomous vehicle program.
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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:20 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Vann will shit his bed  lol1

    Russia Rolls Out Its Own VR Helmets

    https://sputniknews.com/science/201709111057289957-russia-virtual-reality-helmets/


    Company site:
    http://deusvr.ru/

    not sure about Vann and why Smile but to illustrate my point. How do you think this startup will develop?
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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  Singular_Transform on Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:25 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:

    Actually in area of AI and financing  I do not from press:) .  Not sure about your assumptions but as for AI there is no need to argue. I am saying that Russia does not have now a mechanism to scale up startups like stock exchange and investment funds in US or support of state for commercial enterprises like China.

    It is not enough to be smart you need money to implement and market your idea to product right? You have successful startup but your competitors got 10x financing guess who will win? It does not matter that much if your spending is optimal or not if your investments are greater by order or 2 orders of magnitude.  


    The US financing/banking system broken, the top level ( like IT startups) financing easy, but justifying by the falling number of enterprises the SME sector and the business creating process dead .
    So, the financial system of the US is dysfunctional.

    And sadly the Apple has higher revenue than the GM, but the GM has more employee than the prior.

    The backbone of the problem is the broken US job market.

    There is no fight any more for workers.
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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:27 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Yandex growth is far more in shorter years than Google's start did.
    Yandex founded in 2000, Google 1998. Right



    miketheterrible wrote: Same with use of AI as I mentioned. Drones and the rest is nothing, no need for you to even compare since that is amateur talk.  
    Hardware isn't even made by any of the companies you posted. Hardware is purchased elsewhere and then made into something else.

    Yes those companies are called subsidiaries of  Alphabet in Google's case.  Like Boston Robotics,Deep Mind or Motorola Mobility. Please stay focused. We might differ in opinions but do not get personal.







    miketheterrible wrote: You can lie to yourself all you want on this importance, but all you are comparing to are simple commercial projects what you think is AI, isn't. The only companies actually involved in it are companies like Gooogle, Yandex, Facebook and alike. Even then, for commercial use and isn't true AI anyway.  I wish I could tell you who I work for, but then it becomes simple to round down to who I am for others in same company and that's a no no. But essentially, our AI development isn't real AI. But on market and paper, it is. Sorters are example of said AI.


    hmmm tell me what is real AI for you pls? This real deal not some fake news stuff vision systems using Tensor Flow or Carnegie Caffe's frameworks or Amazon's autonomous vehicle program.

    ill just say this: AI is a library used. It isn't new tech. What you are witnessing is similar tech used since 1970's but more refined today. I would like to know your qualifications on this,seeing as how I do analysts for this kind of field.
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    Re: Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:35 pm

    Singular_Transform wrote:
    The US financing/banking system broken, the top level ( like IT startups) financing easy, but justifying by the falling number of enterprises the SME sector and the business creating process dead .
    So, the financial system of the US is dysfunctional.

    And sadly the Apple has higher revenue than the GM, but the GM has more employee than the prior.

    The backbone of the problem is the broken US job market.

    There is no fight any more for workers.

    we discuss here Russian system not American. There is no need to praise or critique US way besides simply accepting truth:it works and generates innovations.
    US was mentioned just as a reference. My question how to improve way Russian startups can grow into large companies is still valid can you try to speculate how to do this?  My very subjective opinion is that in Russian economic bloc is somehow belief that mythical investors come and  share wealth to make Russian hi-tech grow.  I hope I am miserably wrong here








    miketheterrible wrote:
    gunshipdemocracy wrote:

    hmmm tell me what is real AI for you pls? This real deal not some fake news stuff vision systems using Tensor Flow or Carnegie Caffe's frameworks or Amazon's autonomous vehicle program.

    ill just say this: AI is a library used. It isn't new tech. What you are witnessing is similar tech used since 1970's but more refined today.   I would like to know your qualifications on this,seeing as how I do analysts for this kind of field.

    AI is library used?  wow never heard such statement do not worry about my qualifications jut tell me on your level.

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