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    Re: MiG-29K: News and info

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:28 am

    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    And can someone tell me what weapon load this is??

    http://www.migavia.ru/im/photo/17_MiG-29KUB_main.jpg

    http://defencelover.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/mig-29-at-ins-vikramaditya1.jpg

    That would be the Х-35Э (3М24Э) antiship missile; the English tranliteration of this missile's designation is Kh-35Eh (3M24Eh).


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    Re: MiG-29K: News and info

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:20 am

    Can a mig-29k take-off from the vikramaditya with 2 r-73 missiles, 2 r-77 missiles and 2 kh-35 anti ship missles?

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    Post  TR1 on Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:30 am

    Flyingdutchman wrote:Can a mig-29k take-off from the vikramaditya with 2 r-73 missiles, 2 r-77 missiles and 2 kh-35 anti ship missles?

    Easily.

    For example:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAydUANL1ow

    Takes off with centerline + wing fuel tanks, 2 Kh-35, 2 R-73.

    Nice pic:
    http://www.migavia.ru/im/photo/17_MiG-29KUB_main.jpg

    I imagine it you could add the R-77s without sacrificing anything else from that config.

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:34 am

    Can a mig-29k take-off from the vikramaditya with 2 r-73 missiles, 2 r-77 missiles and 2 kh-35 anti ship missles?

    No... don't be silly... it can only take off with a sling shot and a bag of maybe 20 small stones... once they are exhausted in combat the pilot has to rely on using foul language.

    The Mig-29K can take off with 2 x R-73, 2 x R-77, and 4 Kh-35, plus a centreline fuel tank.... which is a very modest loadout BTW.


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    Post  Flyingdutchman on Tue Mar 18, 2014 3:03 pm

    Is the kh-35 missile or is it the only anti-ship missile being used by the India navy?

    Because the range of the missile is 130km and the chinese hqq-9 surface to air missile has a range of 200km and its used by the most destroyers of china so this means that the mig-29k has to come widely in range of chinese ships before it is able to fire the anti-ship missile.
    So is there another anti-ship missile used by the indian navy with more range?

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    Post  collegeboy16 on Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:53 pm

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    Post  TR1 on Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:54 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:Is the kh-35 missile or is it the only anti-ship missile being used by the India navy?

    Because the range of the missile is 130km and the chinese hqq-9 surface to air missile has a range of 200km and its used by the most destroyers of china so this means that the mig-29k has to come widely in range of chinese ships before it is able to fire the anti-ship missile.
    So is there another anti-ship missile used by the indian navy with more range?

    Thanks,

    Kh-35 has range up to 260km range.

    http://eng.ktrv.ru/production_eng/323/512/563/

    Presumably their MiG-29s would be able to fire Kh-31 as well, though I am not sure of the Navy uses it.

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    Post  Flyboy77 on Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:27 am



    The new Brahmos-M is also being designed to be carried by the MiG-29K.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:45 am

    I believe at one stage they were looking at the Klub missile that used the supersonic terminal phase with a rocket motor.

    The UKSK launcher bins used to launch Brahmos on Subs and Ships is also compatible with the Kalibr/Klub system.


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    Post  mack8 on Fri Apr 25, 2014 10:07 pm

    VMF MiG-29KR and KUBR at LII! Have no idea if these are from the first lot (the 4 delivered in 2013), or part of subsequent one due this year (10).

    http://russianplanes.net/type/Mikoyan-Gurevich/MiG-29/35


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    Post  mack8 on Tue Jun 10, 2014 8:48 pm

    Looks like the MiG-29KR/KUBRs for VMF will be numbered starting 50:



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    Post  medo on Tue Jun 10, 2014 8:59 pm

    First visible difference between Russian and Indian MiG-28K is, that Russian MiG have new standard Russian RWR sensors (like those on Su-30 and Su-35), while Indian one doesn't have.


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    Post  mack8 on Tue Jun 10, 2014 10:19 pm

    Indeed, and also the configuration of the antennas on the spine.



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    Post  medo on Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:24 pm

    I hope Russian navy will buy additional 24 MiG-29K/KUB for trainings and for rotation on carrier. Rotation of planes will increase their service life.

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    Post  Flyingdutchman on Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:18 pm

    What would be the standard RUSSIAN air to air load out for the mig-29k, is the russian navy using other missiles then the r-77. R-73?

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    Post  Flyingdutchman on Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:35 pm

    I am impressed by the awesome cockpit of the mig-29k(ub)




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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:19 am

    For the last decade and a half the Russian military has bought very few R-77s, though it has bought the R-73 in enormous numbers and it is a very capable missile.

    The only Russian aircraft able to carry the R-77 was the C model MiG-29S. The naval forces largely had ground based Su-27s and Kuznetsov based Su-33s all of which were equipped with a special model R-27 and R-27E missile designed to operate over sea surfaces.

    Now that money is being spent on new multirole aircraft it is also being spent on new munitions like the R-77.

    I would suspect standard armament for the MiG-29K2 would include R-77 and R-73 but also the naval model R-27 and R-27E in SARH (R1) and passive radar homing (P) and also IR guided (T) models.

    They might also add the R-37M or RVV-BD missile in the longer term as the MiG gets an AESA radar.


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    Post  Flyingdutchman on Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:25 am

    Thanks!!

    So, when flying from the Kuznetsov 2 r-73 2 r-77 and 2 r-27 missiles could be a realistic load out?

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:41 pm

    Yes, certainly.

    And more specifically having a load out of 2 x R-73M2s gives powerful close combat capabilities, while 2 x R-77s give a bit of reach while having a good fire and forget performance, and a couple of R-27ET missiles would allow long range engagement of stealthy targets or low altitude run down shots.

    Normally SARH requires a lock and tracking of the target and targets are easier to lock when they are closing targets. The effective range for a lock on a closing target could be 30-40 percent greater than the range for a receding target. This can mean a small fast target like a cruise missile flying very low can be a difficult target because the low altitude reduces AAM performance and the fact that it is receding reduces the range that a SARH missile can achieve a lock.

    In comparison a receding target is easier to lock on with a heat seeking missile as the engine exhaust and other hot parts are clearly visible so you could get locks at much longer ranges than you could with a head on engagement.

    this all means that a closing target can be hit effectively and efficiently with the R-73 for close range targets and R-77 for targets further away while escaping targets can be engaged with the R-27ET with a good chance of success. The different weapons are complimentary.


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    Post  Flyingdutchman on Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:09 pm

    Awesome! Thats a awesome weapon load-out for the mig-29k!!
    Then my final question: has the r-27 missile ever seen operational deployment on the Kuznetsov?
    So were su-33s and mig-29k aircraft ever armed with the r-27 while flying from the kuznetsov?

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    Post  Flyingdutchman on Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:19 pm

    Never mind, i already found it here you can see a su-33 equiped with a r-27 missile prepared to be launched on the kuznetsov.


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    Post  medo on Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:19 pm

    Which anti-ship missile will be better suited for Mig-29K? Kh-31AM or Kh-35? Both are in 600 kg class. I would say Kh-31AM would be better as the missile is faster than Kh-35. I think naval Su-30SM should use air launched Club and Onix missiles.

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    Post  Flyingdutchman on Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:25 pm

    I believe the kh-35 missile has better range but i am not sure.

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:34 am

    I rather think a mix of both weapons would be useful depending upon the target.

    An alert capable target might be better engaged with the high speed Kh-31, but a target that is unaware or not well protected then the Kh-35 offers a larger warhead... from memory the Kh-31 has a 90kg HE Incendiary warhead while the Kh-35 has a 145kg HE incendiary warhead.

    note the most dangerous thing on a ship is fire so incendiary warheads tend to be more lethal than simple HE warheads.


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    Post  Flyingdutchman on Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:56 pm

    GarryB wrote:I rather think a mix of both weapons would be useful depending upon the target.

    An alert capable target might be better engaged with the high speed Kh-31, but a target that is unaware or not well protected then the Kh-35 offers a larger warhead... from memory the Kh-31 has a 90kg HE Incendiary warhead while the Kh-35 has a 145kg HE incendiary warhead.

    note the most dangerous thing on a ship is fire so incendiary warheads tend to be more lethal than simple HE warheads.

    Wich one of them has better range?

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