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MiG-29K: News and info
zg18- Posts : 888
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GarryB- Posts : 38916
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nice... the red colour and black and white markings show it as being a test round... I suspect they will be testing releasing the weapon to ensure clean separation during launch and exploring the launch parameters... ie how fast and high or slow and low it can be released safely.
mack8- Posts : 1039
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Looks like the MiG-29KR/KUBRs for VMF will be numbered starting 50:
medo- Posts : 4342
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First visible difference between Russian and Indian MiG-28K is, that Russian MiG have new standard Russian RWR sensors (like those on Su-30 and Su-35), while Indian one doesn't have.
mack8- Posts : 1039
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Indeed, and also the configuration of the antennas on the spine.
medo- Posts : 4342
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I hope Russian navy will buy additional 24 MiG-29K/KUB for trainings and for rotation on carrier. Rotation of planes will increase their service life.
Flyingdutchman- Posts : 535
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What would be the standard RUSSIAN air to air load out for the mig-29k, is the russian navy using other missiles then the r-77. R-73?
Flyingdutchman- Posts : 535
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I am impressed by the awesome cockpit of the mig-29k(ub)
GarryB- Posts : 38916
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For the last decade and a half the Russian military has bought very few R-77s, though it has bought the R-73 in enormous numbers and it is a very capable missile.
The only Russian aircraft able to carry the R-77 was the C model MiG-29S. The naval forces largely had ground based Su-27s and Kuznetsov based Su-33s all of which were equipped with a special model R-27 and R-27E missile designed to operate over sea surfaces.
Now that money is being spent on new multirole aircraft it is also being spent on new munitions like the R-77.
I would suspect standard armament for the MiG-29K2 would include R-77 and R-73 but also the naval model R-27 and R-27E in SARH (R1) and passive radar homing (P) and also IR guided (T) models.
They might also add the R-37M or RVV-BD missile in the longer term as the MiG gets an AESA radar.
The only Russian aircraft able to carry the R-77 was the C model MiG-29S. The naval forces largely had ground based Su-27s and Kuznetsov based Su-33s all of which were equipped with a special model R-27 and R-27E missile designed to operate over sea surfaces.
Now that money is being spent on new multirole aircraft it is also being spent on new munitions like the R-77.
I would suspect standard armament for the MiG-29K2 would include R-77 and R-73 but also the naval model R-27 and R-27E in SARH (R1) and passive radar homing (P) and also IR guided (T) models.
They might also add the R-37M or RVV-BD missile in the longer term as the MiG gets an AESA radar.
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Thanks!!
So, when flying from the Kuznetsov 2 r-73 2 r-77 and 2 r-27 missiles could be a realistic load out?
So, when flying from the Kuznetsov 2 r-73 2 r-77 and 2 r-27 missiles could be a realistic load out?
GarryB- Posts : 38916
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Yes, certainly.
And more specifically having a load out of 2 x R-73M2s gives powerful close combat capabilities, while 2 x R-77s give a bit of reach while having a good fire and forget performance, and a couple of R-27ET missiles would allow long range engagement of stealthy targets or low altitude run down shots.
Normally SARH requires a lock and tracking of the target and targets are easier to lock when they are closing targets. The effective range for a lock on a closing target could be 30-40 percent greater than the range for a receding target. This can mean a small fast target like a cruise missile flying very low can be a difficult target because the low altitude reduces AAM performance and the fact that it is receding reduces the range that a SARH missile can achieve a lock.
In comparison a receding target is easier to lock on with a heat seeking missile as the engine exhaust and other hot parts are clearly visible so you could get locks at much longer ranges than you could with a head on engagement.
this all means that a closing target can be hit effectively and efficiently with the R-73 for close range targets and R-77 for targets further away while escaping targets can be engaged with the R-27ET with a good chance of success. The different weapons are complimentary.
And more specifically having a load out of 2 x R-73M2s gives powerful close combat capabilities, while 2 x R-77s give a bit of reach while having a good fire and forget performance, and a couple of R-27ET missiles would allow long range engagement of stealthy targets or low altitude run down shots.
Normally SARH requires a lock and tracking of the target and targets are easier to lock when they are closing targets. The effective range for a lock on a closing target could be 30-40 percent greater than the range for a receding target. This can mean a small fast target like a cruise missile flying very low can be a difficult target because the low altitude reduces AAM performance and the fact that it is receding reduces the range that a SARH missile can achieve a lock.
In comparison a receding target is easier to lock on with a heat seeking missile as the engine exhaust and other hot parts are clearly visible so you could get locks at much longer ranges than you could with a head on engagement.
this all means that a closing target can be hit effectively and efficiently with the R-73 for close range targets and R-77 for targets further away while escaping targets can be engaged with the R-27ET with a good chance of success. The different weapons are complimentary.
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Awesome! Thats a awesome weapon load-out for the mig-29k!!
Then my final question: has the r-27 missile ever seen operational deployment on the Kuznetsov?
So were su-33s and mig-29k aircraft ever armed with the r-27 while flying from the kuznetsov?
Thanks,
Flyingdutchman
Then my final question: has the r-27 missile ever seen operational deployment on the Kuznetsov?
So were su-33s and mig-29k aircraft ever armed with the r-27 while flying from the kuznetsov?
Thanks,
Flyingdutchman
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Never mind, i already found it here you can see a su-33 equiped with a r-27 missile prepared to be launched on the kuznetsov.
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Which anti-ship missile will be better suited for Mig-29K? Kh-31AM or Kh-35? Both are in 600 kg class. I would say Kh-31AM would be better as the missile is faster than Kh-35. I think naval Su-30SM should use air launched Club and Onix missiles.
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I believe the kh-35 missile has better range but i am not sure.
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I rather think a mix of both weapons would be useful depending upon the target.
An alert capable target might be better engaged with the high speed Kh-31, but a target that is unaware or not well protected then the Kh-35 offers a larger warhead... from memory the Kh-31 has a 90kg HE Incendiary warhead while the Kh-35 has a 145kg HE incendiary warhead.
note the most dangerous thing on a ship is fire so incendiary warheads tend to be more lethal than simple HE warheads.
An alert capable target might be better engaged with the high speed Kh-31, but a target that is unaware or not well protected then the Kh-35 offers a larger warhead... from memory the Kh-31 has a 90kg HE Incendiary warhead while the Kh-35 has a 145kg HE incendiary warhead.
note the most dangerous thing on a ship is fire so incendiary warheads tend to be more lethal than simple HE warheads.
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GarryB wrote:I rather think a mix of both weapons would be useful depending upon the target.
An alert capable target might be better engaged with the high speed Kh-31, but a target that is unaware or not well protected then the Kh-35 offers a larger warhead... from memory the Kh-31 has a 90kg HE Incendiary warhead while the Kh-35 has a 145kg HE incendiary warhead.
note the most dangerous thing on a ship is fire so incendiary warheads tend to be more lethal than simple HE warheads.
Wich one of them has better range?
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http://nguyenphutrong.net/trung-quoc-lo-ngai-ten-lua-sat-thu-cua-viet-nam.html
Vietnamese source claim, that Kh-31AD have increased range to 100 km, but this could still be export missile. Difficult to say, but domestic Kh-31AM could have similar range as basic Kh-35 missile (~130 km). Maybe little less. Point is, that Kh-31AM fly at max speed 3600 km/h (Mach 3), while Kh-35 is subsonic (Mach 0,8 ) and is more vulnerable to ship's missile defense and CIWS.
Cục thiết kế Zvezda đã phát triển thêm các biển thể mới của Kh-31A như: Kh-31AD (kích thước lớn hơn, lắp radar chủ động cải tiến ARGS-31E, tầm bắn tăng lên 100km); Kh-31AM (nâng cấp hệ thống điện tử để chống lại biện pháp đối phó của đối phương, cải tiến động cơ để tăng tầm bắn nhưng không tăng trọng lượng).
Zvezda Design Bureau has developed a new variant of the Kh-31A as: Kh-31AD (larger size, improved active radar installation ARGS-31E, increasing the range to 100 km); Kh-31AM (avionics upgrade for countermeasures against the enemy, engine improvements to increase range but did not increase the weight).
Vietnamese source claim, that Kh-31AD have increased range to 100 km, but this could still be export missile. Difficult to say, but domestic Kh-31AM could have similar range as basic Kh-35 missile (~130 km). Maybe little less. Point is, that Kh-31AM fly at max speed 3600 km/h (Mach 3), while Kh-35 is subsonic (Mach 0,8 ) and is more vulnerable to ship's missile defense and CIWS.
Flyingdutchman- Posts : 535
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As TR1 said: the kh-35 has a range of Up to 260 km.
But i dont know Much About the missiles ( GarryB does ) i just love the aircraft
But i dont know Much About the missiles ( GarryB does ) i just love the aircraft
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I imagine Kh-35 has a better sea skimming profile however, so that counts for something.
Regarding published specs:
Kh-31A: 70km range, 94kg warhead, 610kg weight
Kh-31AD: 160km range, 110 kg warhead, 715kg weight
Kh-35E: 130km range, 145kg warhead, weight up to 610kg
Kh-35UE: 260km range, 145 kg warhead, weight up to 670kg
Regarding published specs:
Kh-31A: 70km range, 94kg warhead, 610kg weight
Kh-31AD: 160km range, 110 kg warhead, 715kg weight
Kh-35E: 130km range, 145kg warhead, weight up to 610kg
Kh-35UE: 260km range, 145 kg warhead, weight up to 670kg
Flyingdutchman- Posts : 535
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Kh-35UE Seems the best missile to me! ( but then you've got its slow speed :/ )
Will the russian navy use Brahmos mini in the future for their Migs?
Will the russian navy use Brahmos mini in the future for their Migs?
TR1- Posts : 5435
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Probably not, they like to go all domestic. Not to mention they can probably make something better if they really want it.
Too soon to tell however. Also it should be noted RuNavy has no stock of R-77s, and has not bought RVV-SD yet....
Too soon to tell however. Also it should be noted RuNavy has no stock of R-77s, and has not bought RVV-SD yet....
Flyingdutchman- Posts : 535
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TR1 wrote:Probably not, they like to go all domestic. Not to mention they can probably make something better if they really want it.
Too soon to tell however. Also it should be noted RuNavy has no stock of R-77s, and has not bought RVV-SD yet....
But didn't Russian navy mig-29k's train with r-77 missiles onboard the Vikramaditya?
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Flyingdutchman wrote:Kh-35UE Seems the best missile to me!
Will the russian navy use Brahmos mini in the future for their Migs?
Most likely not due to the idiotic MTCR treaty which Russia is stupidly apart of, so Brahmos missile's full potential is greatly handicapped as it's range is greatly limited to meet MTCR guidelines and does not meet RuNavy requirements in range...however in all likeliness most of the testing India is conducting on Brahmos and the technological advancements can be applied to Onyx, meaning future iterations of Onyx will likely have increased precision/accuracy and possible land attack capability (all though it will have to take a back seat to Kalibr missiles for the land attack role) so it could potentially evolve in to Brahmos but with much greater range.
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I would say Kh-31AD with 160 km range is better option than Kh-35 for MiG-29K. Range is still long enough to launch missiles out from the range of SAMs on ships, even like SAMP/T. But to attack destroyers or cruisers equipped with latest models of Standard missiles, it is better to use bigger Flankers like Su-30SM or Su-33 with bigger air launched Club missiles with 600+ km range.
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